Bill Your Doctor!

[Halofan48]

also provide the links to these articles. if possible.

[Piscean]

THE POST-ANTIBIOTIC AGE


This is a link to info. to do more with the problems associated with antibiotic use rather than the last article i posted which was more to do with the problems to do with vaccine use. I could post articles about what's wrong with every drug conventional doctors peddle but if you care about tacking responsibility for your own health, these two should be enough to wet your appetite for understanding and you can put in the untold hours of research I have in order to learn how to not need this kind of m"medicine" anymore.

[Halofan48]

Thank you, i will begin reading tomorrow, after i finish my homework.

[Piscean]

u bet

[ParaTed2k]

Quote by: lindsay7 do people still go to conventional doctors? when i'm not feeling well i go to a Chinese Medicine Doctor or a Homeopathic Doctor. Their medicine really works, and they aren't arrogant assholes like regular doctors.

Yes, I do chiropractic and homeopathic and nutrition, but I also use medical. I think all forms have their place... and when it comes to Trauma, nothing touches medical.

[ParaTed2k]

Quote by: Halofan48 Ya, it sucks, but they can argue that there are patients in need of more urgent care. Like, lets say your constipated. Someone who's just broken their arm is more likely to receive treatment first. And if you don't use your appointment time, someone else who may of needed care may of been made to suffer. No one really likes it, but it's just the way things are i guess.

Oh, I was a paramedic. I completely understand the rules and need for triage. However, almost none of the people showing up to a general medicine clinic are there for any kind of emergency.

Yes, doctors need to take each patient and give them their full attention for the time we are there. However, medical clinics don't make only 1 appointment for the same time. They regularly schedule from 3 to 5 patients for the same time slot.

Furthermore, when you are late, or miss an appointment, do they care why? If your clinic does, that is awesome, but my experience is, most don't. All they know is you cost them money by not showing up.

[ParaTed2k]

[quote=Piscean;492597]

do people still go to conventional doctors? when i'm not feeling well i go to a Chinese Medicine Doctor or a Homeopathic Doctor. Their medicine really works, and they aren't arrogant assholes like regular doctors.[/QUOTE Rite on!! That's real medicine which actually heals instead of covering symptoms with other symptoms and making you blindly dependant on harmful drugs. I don't ever use conventional doctors either.

True, in fact, medical adverse effects kills more people than guns in the US... but then again, it also saves many more lives.

[ParaTed2k]

Quote by: Compugasm Do you bill the bank teller for standing in line... In fact, any senario where you have to wait your turn, you regularly bill people for it? I don't understand what you are trying to accomplish. In fact, I'm sending you a bill for the time it took to read/respond to this post. Have a nice day.

No, but then again the teller never agreed to see me at a specific time either. On the other hand, if I had an appointment with a loan officer, and they kept me waiting an extended amount of time, I might bill them. If they just let me sit there and never saw me at all, I probably would bill them.

[ParaTed2k]

Quote by: tivodan1116 No. It's not. It's fake medicine and mostly placebos. The difference between homeopathic "medicine" and conventional medicine is that the techniques of conventional medicine have been tested and verified as scientifically sound. And this thread is really pointless... Bill your doctor? As someone else said, do you always bill when standing in line for something?

Why is it that medicine shrugs off "the placebo effect" so flippantly? Something is happening in the body, but medicine doesn't seem to care.

If sugar pills are working 1/3 of the time, that means that there is a 1 in 3 chance the body could heal itself if given the chance and the right circumstances.

If all medical treatment is so "scientifically sound" why is medical treatment listed as the cause of death in over 783,935 deaths per year in the US alone?

I'm From the Government I'm Here to Help » Death by Doctor

[ParaTed2k]

Quote by: Compugasm I also wouldn't wish to be rushed out of a doctors office simply so he could remain on schedule. If my poking and prodding takes an extra 10 minutes, then it takes an extra 10 minutes and you're going to just sit there and shut up about it. As a patient, I have the right to medical procedures that are followed with my best interest in mind, not the person in the waiting rooms schedule.

Absolutely. If the doctor feels they need to take a few more minutes with a patient, they should! However, that usually only causes a delay of a few minutes. Do you realize that while you are waiting, chances are the doctor is sitting at a desk sipping coffee or "taking a break"?

If you are kept waiting a few minutes, there is no reason to bill them for your time. However, if you are made to wait a half hour or longer for an appointment, then you should bill them. Afterall, they would bill you!

Turn about is fairplay, after all.

[ParaTed2k]

Quote by: Domino I agree entirely, which is why, for the best interests of everyone involved, doctors really ought to just drop the silly practice of billing for missed or late appointments.

Exactly the point! Why should we have to pay for services not rendered? If they consider it ethical to bill us for services not rendered, they should have absolutely no problem if we bill them for the time they stole from us.

[ParaTed2k]

Quote by: Piscean You go ahead and take the synthetic drugs and I'll keep using the herbs that they are synthesized from and we'll see who lives longer. I haven't taken antibiotics for years. Even though I've had the sicknesses that supposedly require them to get over. The result is my own immune system is so much stronger now I hardly ever get sick. The antibiotics wipe out your own immune system so you just keep getting weaker and more dependant on them. Just one of many exampled of the problems with conventional medicine, but if you wanna go all the way down that path and end up on so many prescription drugs your liver finally fails go right ahead, 95% percent of the population is on that plan so at least you are with the majority right lol!

I'm not totally against antibiotics... in fact, I'm still alive because of them. I got Camphylobactor... something that people died of not that many years ago. I tried a homeopathic detox treatment, but it didn't work. My doctor perscribed an antibiotic, within a week it was cleared up.

If I had of gone another two weeks without it, I would have died.

[ParaTed2k]

Quote by: Piscean Do Vaccines actually disable the immune systems they have been designed to protect? Read this compelling arguement by Dr Randall Neustaedter who presents evidence that this is so...

Do you realize that over 6,000 kids are hospitalized and/or die every year due to adverse reactions from vaccinations?

In fairness, millions of kids are vaccinated, so the chances of your kids being among those 6,000 is astronomical. However, that is more kids than are killed with guns or car accidents.



Death by Doctor » Forum Post by ParaTed2k

[tivodan1116]

Quote by: Piscean That was just one of many articles you could find if you cared to educate yourself about health and the problems of traditional medicine. I

And it's utter nonsense.

Vaccination is one of the greatest scientific breakthroughs of human existence. Billions of lives have been saved because of it.

There is a new "movement" of wacko conspiracy theorists who are against it - the reason is because they get a headache or a hangnail from a vaccine and think it's a terrible thing, mostly because vaccines have worked too well - these people have never seen someone with mumps, or polio, or rabies, and so can't comprehend that the disease is far, far worse than the treatment.

Quote by: ParaTed2k Do you realize that over 6,000 kids are hospitalized and/or die every year due to adverse reactions from vaccinations? In fairness, millions of kids are vaccinated, so the chances of your kids being among those 6,000 is astronomical. However, that is more kids than are killed with guns or car accidents.

I didn't see any proof of this in your link. 6,000 hospitalizations and deaths from vaccines?

[ParaTed2k]

Quote by: tivodan1116 And it's utter nonsense. Vaccination is one of the greatest scientific breakthroughs of human existence. Billions of lives have been saved because of it. There is a new "movement" of wacko conspiracy theorists who are against it - the reason is because they get a headache or a hangnail from a vaccine and think it's a terrible thing, mostly because vaccines have worked too well - these people have never seen someone with mumps, or polio, or rabies, and so can't comprehend that the disease is far, far worse than the treatment. I didn't see any proof of this in your link. 6,000 hospitalizations and deaths from vaccines?

Sorry, wrong link. Here is the right one.

Why is it that anyone who dares to question the great medical gods gets labelled "wacko"... if you read the first link (the wrong one for the vaccination point), you would have read how many deaths in the US are attributed to medical treatment.

Medicine has done a lot for us, and shouldn't be shunned, but it has also killed a lot of people and shouldn't be left unquestioned.

[ParaTed2k]

It's strange how many directions these things can go. I wonder if anyone wants to discuss the original topic. :~D

[Piscean]

Why is it that anyone who dares to question the great medical gods gets labelled "wacko"... if you read the first link (the wrong one for the vaccination point), you would have read how many deaths in the US are attributed to medical treatment.

I think some people are threightened by anything that questions what's accepted by the general masses so they lash out with insults and try to push their opinion on those of us who have taken the time to think for ourselves and already know better.

[tivodan1116]

Quote by: ParaTed2k Why is it that anyone who dares to question the great medical gods gets labelled "wacko"... if you read the first link (the wrong one for the vaccination point), you would have read how many deaths in the US are attributed to medical treatment.

The two things are a non-sequitur. Opposing vaccinations because of some nutty conspiracy (one of the most popular is that they cause autism) is vastly different than understanding that medical professionals make mistakes...

I understand doctors aren't perfect. That is a far cry, however, from calling for people to stop taking vaccines.

Quote by: Piscean I think some people are threightened by anything that questions what's accepted by the general masses so they lash out with insults and try to push their opinion on those of us who have taken the time to think for ourselves and already know better.

Ah yes, the "sheeple" argument. Also known as the heretic fallacy. Merely because your idea is ridiculed does not make it true.

Merely because I agree with the generally accepted state of things is NO evidence that I have not "thought for myself".

The fact that some people accept conspiracy theories credulously might not be proof that they don't think, but it is proof that they have the psychological trait that conspiracy theorists share.

[Halofan48]

If it wasn't for the small pox vaccine, who knows how many people may have died from it, even though it is now wearing off. Think about it.

[Piscean]

Ah yes, the "sheeple" argument. Also known as the heretic fallacy. Merely because your idea is ridiculed does not make it true. Merely because I agree with the generally accepted state of things is NO evidence that I have not "thought for myself". The fact that some people accept conspiracy theories credulously might not be proof that they don't think, but it is proof that they have the psychological trait that conspiracy theorists share.

I'm curious what psychological state you think I share with conspiracy theorists? Granted I will totally admit that vaccines have saved lives. But if I can take responsibility for my own health to the point that I don't need a vaccine because my immune system is so good I am living at a higher level of health than the general public and I'm very fortunate to have the knowledge I do. Would you agree with this or are you gonna throw yer favorite insults ate me (wacky, nutty bla bla I'm immature) ?