AAAAARGH! Lazy, irritating, stupid FAT people!

[The Dunedan]

Ok, I should probably warn you, this is gonna be the Rant From Hell.

I go to college. I like college. I like college students. However, in college ( as everyhwere eles ) there exists a class of Homo Sapiens Sapiens which, I find, irritates me more than all the others COMBINED.
You can look at the title of this post and probably guess who I'm talking about here.
Now, before I really get going, I should probably add a disclaimer. This is not a rant against big people. I know a great many people who are simply large, or are overweight due to some uncontrollable factor ( water retention, low metabolism, etc etc ) and these people do not bother me one whit. One of these fellow is over 300lbs and is one of the fastest, most agile Fencers I've ever fought against. So; to all of Volconvo's Big People, this is not directed at you.

Oh no. This rant is directed against people the likes of one I just had to deal with over in the History building, here at App State. You all know the type, I'm sure; female, about 5'5, at LEAST 300lbs, mouth hanging open, short-shorts, tank-top, and flipflops, with an expression of vacuous disinterest on her face usually rivalled only by a DEAD CATFISH!! How such a waste of refined starch got into University, even Appilachian State, boggles the mind; yet, there she was. All 300lbs of her, asking me why the building didn't have any elevators. I explained that this particular structure was built before elevators were common things in Universities ( roughly 1955 ) and that she'd have to use the stairs. Now, bear in mind, I'm a STUDENT. I have NO policymaking powers, legislative voice, whatever-have-you...and yet she proceeds to SHOUT AT ME ( in all caps for effect ) about how the lack of elevators is discrimination! Being somewhat puzzled by this, I asked her why that was. ( Unbeknownst to me at the time, our History building is, in fact, equipped with an elevator for the use of the wheelchair-bound. However, you need a key to get into it, and if you have two working legs, you're not getting that key. ) I was then treated to a 90-second tirade about how she was too fat to get up the stairs, this was discrimination, blah blah blah blah. I asked why she didn't try and lose some weight, in order to more successfully navigate stairs, hills, and narrow doors ( although I left out the narrow doors comment ) and recieved in reply "I'm too fat to exercise!"

This simply boggles the mind. You mean to tell me, you "hippophotanic land-mass," that you're perfectly willing to deal with back pain, shortness of breath, heart-disease, diabetes, chronic athsma, cholestoral in the quadruple digets, a 300-dollar AC bill, and never being able to fit into an airliner seat because you're too lazy to get off your overinflated Gleuteus Maxumus and go on a diet? Or exercise a little? Or SOMETHING?!?!?! Has your instinct for self-preservation gone so far down the evolutionary shitter than you're actually willing to do this to yourself?!?! Fencer X ( big guy from earlier ) will probably live to be 90. He's a BIG dude, but he's in shape, he eats right, and he's slicker than shit on a doorknob in a fight, because under all that fat is about 250lbs of pure MUSCLE. He knows he'll always be big, so he uses it to his advantage, and as a consequence can probably bench-press a Winnebago. This guy's got Biceps as big around as my HEAD because he WORKS. You could do it too, if you got off your Cheesy-poof-scarfing ass and DID SOMETHING about it!!

And making it all worse is the fact that these mouth-breating wastes of Oxygen are, don't ask me why, the DUMBEST people on the face of the earth! Bleach-blonde sorority girls have NOTHING on these people! I'm talking Paris Hilton-level stupidity here, people, and with even trashier clothes! Now, once again, I have known Big People who were vastly smarter than me. That's cool; these folks don't bother me a bit. However, the confluence of fat and stupid irritates me more than anything living.

You see, what we're dealing with here is a lack of Discipline. It takes Discipline to change your diet, hit the weights, or save up money for Liposuction. It takes drive and ambition to do these things as well. Fencer X ( remember him? ) is a perfect example of this. He hated being the way he was, so he worked out, changed his diet, got active in a physically demanding sport, and got into counseling to improve his self-image along the way; and now look at the guy!!

However, this particular class of Homo Sapiens Sapiens seems almost pathologically averse to anything remotely connected to Disciplined, ambitious, or forward-thinking behavior. I've TA'd in a couple of classes with such people in them; male and female both. One of these classes also had several Big People in it, just to maintain balance. Never once did one of these overblown sacks of Cellulite speak up. Never once was there a creative answer to -anything- on a test. There was one specimen in particular; the classic "big dumb jock" type, looked like he'd been made of silly-putty, whose only distinguishing act in class was to say that Copernicus had been wrong; that the SUN REVOLVED AROUND THE EARTH! I asked him where he'd come by this rediculous idea, and his reply was, in essence "Well, Duh, I can SEE it!"

Now, granted, stupididty and obesity do -not- go hand in hand. I've met waaaaay too many skinny people who could give this waste of skin a run for his money. However, stupidity combined with an almost pathological aversion to actual WORK is a tremendously irritating thing. Used to be, stupid people ( as opposed to ignorant or Mentally Disabled ) had their uses; digging ditches, rough construction, patching roads, etc etc. NOW, however, we have a whole class of congenital idiots who expect the rest of us, the PRODUCTIVE members of society, to take care of them! The girl in the beginning of my post is a perfect example of this, and I know I'm not the only person who's encountered this!!

This is not a rant against Big People with good dispositions. Once again, known quite a few. No a problem.

However, why is it that the class of people I'm discussing always seem permanently pissed-off at someone/thing? Surly, rude, ill-mannered, uncouth, and perpetually looking for a fight seems to be their motto. They seem to shape their entire lives around this lazy, surly persona; in the words of Two The Ranting Gryphon "It's like they're doing this for RECREATION OR SOMETHING!!!"

And why is it that these people ( especially the women ) always seem to feel the need to dress in the skankiest, most revealing clothing they can find?! Look, Lady, it's NOT going to make you any more attractive; in fact, significantly LESS so! It does not raise anyone's opinion of you; it merely makes you look like Trailer Trash. I do NOT want to see your 20-lb breast hanging out of a top that was obviously designed with 14-year-olds in mind. There's a reason that morbid obesity of this kind is not considered attractive. You remember all those health problems I mentioned earler? Well, millions of years of evolution have taught the Human brain ( male or female ) to associate obesity ( particularly among the young ) with all those health problems, on the subconscious level. Your dressing like Britney Spears is NOT going to undo 2.5 million years worth of hard-wired preferences! Trust me! Now, there are plenty of Big Girls with boyfriends. However, these are not the people I'm discussing. Overweight, yeah, some of 'em are. However, like Fencer X, they're working to change this. A go-get-em attitude like that is very attractive, to either sex; sitting on your ass because "I'm too fat to exercise" and expecting a trashy outfit to make you sexy is NOT. Likewise, there are plenty of Big Guys with girlfriends. Fencer X has ladies falling off of him. However, once again, it's all about attitude. Even people who aren't Michael Clarke Duncan have boyfriends/girlfriends; however, these people are the happy, polite, and intelligent ones. The people I'm ranting against here seem to actively TRY to be as unattractive, surly, and idiotic as possible!

We had several such people, men and women both, who were regular customers at the grocery-store I worked for in HS. Every time they came in, they would head straight back for the bathrooms. And every time they went to the loo, someone ( frequently me ) would be sent back there to clean this urine and excrement off the toilets, walls, and floor. In at least one case I know of ( because she very blithely admitte it ) one of these women wiped her ass on the wall-rail because she couldn't reach around her oversized posterior to use TP!! Another one ( male this time ) was ejected from the store for shitting on the floor; he couldn't fit into the smaller stalls, and the Handicapped stall was occupied at the time. So he simply dropped his pants and shat on the floor! Such people frequently came out stinking of excrement because they couldn't reach their arses with the TP, and because aforementioned arses were usually much larger than the toilet-seats, they also frequently shat on the floors or toilets because they couldn't 'aim' properly! And then they'd routinely come out and inform us of the mishap and would we please clean it up, it's starting to stink in there?

Ok. Rant concluded. I feel better now. I've simply had it up to my eyebrows with this nonsense, and these people. I have little tolerance for stupidity, arrogance, laziness, or the expectation that society fix your fuckups. Seeing all these traits rolled into one gaudily-dressed package just irritates the crap out of me.
A final note; this rant was not directed at any person(s) on Volconvo. Nobody here meets the "Stupid" requirements, and as I can't speak for the physical end of this equation, the whole thing is inapplicable. Lastly, this rant was not in any sense directed at those who are overweight for reasons beyond their control. Some peopl are genetially predisposed towards obesity for a variety of reasons such as water retention, slow metabolisms, poor digestion, or any number of others. These people are not, rest assured, the target of this little diatribe of mine. If I came off sounding irritated, pissy, and out of patience...well, it's because I was irritated, pissy, and our of patience. I shudder to think at the medical bills these people will require me to help pay later in life, and I bridle at their stupidity-infused arrogance in assuming that I owe them a living because of their inability to control themselves.
And now, a breif word from our sponsor...

[G. Adams]

Taking off from an example you brought up, the fat dumb jock type.

I have nothing against jocks, because we don't really have a jock class in GB, or at least where I was. You simply floated or sank at my schools, and it usually depended how likeable a person you were, or useful. Now that bits said, the real bit. Stupid people at University. I believe any, regardless of what you've done in the past, or how poor you are, or what you intend to do with the knowledge, or even if you want to do frankly daft courses, like gold course management, that you should be able to go to University. However, if your stupid, you shouldn't. The idea of stupid people being allowed into University just baffles me. Take my courses at Keele University, Politics and International Relations. This University has a 5* rating for this course, top 5% of the world universities for this course. You should think those coming here would be damned good. In general, they're not. In the political sociology module of 1st year, we had these tutorial groups. The first session began with him asking the people names, their interests in politics and if they are party members and affiliates. Out of a group of about 15, there was 4 people in the room interested in politics, and that includes me and the tutor. After the 3rd session, I realised something. I am the only one whoever answers questions with more than stock answers off the page they took from notes put in front of them. I am the only one who can answer questions without looking at those pages. And I'm the only one who doesn't stare blankly at the tutor for 30 seconds before answering. And god forbid he ever ask a question that doesn't have an answer in the notes before them, or demands wider material than what is before them. These people have severe lack of knowledge of: Politics, History (anything but WWII that is), nothing AT ALL it seems in the way of Geography, the simplest of philosophy, or even basic literature. Granted, I will be at least knowledgeable in these areas because I like them, but for fuck sake you think someone who goes to University would be intelligent. How the hell does someone get to 18 without knowing about where Brazil or the Congo is, who Homer is, what the French Revolution was about or what Locke's politics were? Arghh, your doing Politics, why do you know nothing about this subject?

These people it seems simply must have learned the exact points they were taught for their A-levels, just the answers, never the understanding. But at least I can say that no-one gets into our University's because they can play a sport well.

[G. Adams]

Oh, and as for fat people. What is their problem with me wanting to not be fat? I say I'm going down the gym and they have a problem with that? You may be a fat fuck but don't dare drag me down that greasy donut laden path with you.

And worst of all, parents of fat children. You fucking child abusers, it isn't hard to keep your kids healthy. They are more important than you are, your life has only a shadow of value compared to your child, so make some sacrifices to your TV watching or beer drinking time and cook them a healthy meal for once in your life.

[PatrickHenry]

Well, guess what? Now it's official. Overweight is now a "medical" condition. http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/20...e-obesity_x.htm

In a major decision that turns obesity from a personal failure to a medical problem, Medicare announced Thursday that it would remove barriers to covering anti-obesity treatments after 40 years of saying fat was not an illness and not covered. The change, disclosed by Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson at a Senate hearing, could open the program to covering surgery to shrink the stomach and intensive in- and outpatient programs at hospitals that provide diet and exercise management. Medicare, a government insurance program, provides medical coverage for more than 40 million Americans 65 and older as well as those with disabilities. The change suggests that private insurers likely will feel pressure to provide similar coverage. "It will put more pressure on them in terms of medical and surgical procedures," says health financing researcher John Newman of Georgia State University.

I hope the fatties get the help they need...

[Gorgo]

But, how was the sex?

Originally posted by The Dunedan, Ok, I should probably warn you, this is gonna be the Rant From Hell.

[bugsbunny04]

Dunedan...I can feel your pain. I used to work in a Greers supermarket (think Win Dixie, without the dignity). I saw these people all the fuckin time. Pathetic.

G.Adams...I feel your pain, When I was in high school, in every honors class I was in, the only other person that responded as often as I did to questions and had something creative to say, was either the class slut or the class clown female. I know of a couple of other guys who did the same, but they did it in classes that were over my head. You know, the one where they are in a class that starts out with three people and two of them are demoted to the AP version! In my classes, it was always one girl or the other. It got really interesting when English XII/British Lit included all three of us (male (me) and female class clowns, plus the class slut), and we probably accounted for at least half of the intellegence of the class containing 27 other kids that were supposedly the bright bunch. Go figure. Interestingly, the other class clown was a big girl, but it was beyond her control. I always had difficulties getting along with both of them, but we at least had brains in common...and comedy, the slut was runner up for class clown, they were both drama queens. Its all very strange.

We are not even going to discuss my regular classes I endured. I did have one class (History XI, 20th century), where myself and this nice looking black girl had some very good debates about a few historical subjects. But the rest of my regular classes were a fucking joke.

[castille]

What is intelligence? Many professors can recite the entire Shakespeare collection but have no common sense. I've known men who were considered "stupid" to have amassed great power (the local mayor left primary school) or fortune.

Fat people piss me off when they blame other factors (ie. McDonalds, their parents, their genes, etc) for their own sloth. I have no problem if a fat person is trying to get thin - but when they sit around saying how evil McDonalds is while eating it, it makes you wonder.

[Compugasm]

If this lady was too fat to exercise, then how did she get so fat in the first place? She must expend a certain amount of energy to lift the ho-ho to her mouth. I'm sure chewing uses some calories too. She's not to fat to diet.

[vivacious314]

Really now, what is it about dumb fat people that is so mch worse than dumb thin people. Think about the young women, stick thin who thinkk it's a bright idea to wear hoochie clothes and invest more time in debating over lipstick than plolitical issues. Is that more acceptable because at least she's nice to look at and fits within societal norms? Where as if someone is obese and dumb, you can condescendingly sit on your thin or only slightly overweight arse and feel better and morally supperior because youb are convinced you may have more self-control or discipline than they do? What skin offf of your nose is it if someone doesn't look thin enough. Admittedly, that partiular woman was rude with her response about the elevator and I can understand the rant, it was rightly deserved. But to bash fat people who have lower IQ points, or may be perceived as dumb? How the hell is that any of your business?
And does the term stereotyping ever come into your mind? Did you know that thin people, regardless of race, income group and gender are viewed overall as more intelligent than the overweight, regardless of statistical data? In addition, just because someone speaks, in a class for example, that doesn't mean they have any intelligence whatsoever. Some of the smartest people stay quiet because they know they'll waste their energy, intelligence and fight a losing battle by engaging in discoure with morons who have preconceived ideas as to the nature of the world.
Moreover, really why is it appropriate in our society to comment on other people's bodies? Wheter they are fat, thin, average, have lost or gained weight? As a recovered anorexic I constantly heard people praising how thin I was, even when it was detrimental to my health. As someone who has since recovered and acheived a healthy and normal weight, I have also delt with comments such as , 'wow, she's really let herself go." I have not let myself go, rather I have gained control of my health and life. My point is you have no idea what places someone at their weight, and why does it need to be your business? Is it because you can't buy enough eye candy through the form of celebrity magazines, supermodel spreads and other forms of media that you think you're entitled to expect everyone in your world to be aesthetically pleasing to you? Do you think that your discussion about their health is really done in their best interest? If you wree really concerned about their health issues, you would be focusing on a healthy lifestyle, the side effect of which is a healthy weight, rather than the weight and IMAGE first. And you sure as hell wouldn't take such a condemning tone when broaching the topic.
In addition, your half hearted ass covering apology to the "big" members of this message board is not based in any form of true understanding, empathy or even tolerance. It's a sorry attempt to protect yourself from being flamed, or accused of discrimination. I'll grant you that what you've posted isn't discriminatory, no it is something much more insidious, harmful and dangerous-- prejudice. Discrimination can be made illigal, and pointed out in black and white. But prejudice, the attidtude, the statements that conceal a hidden agenda, masks insecurites and is ultimately slef serving and protective, no that is hidden behind half truths (such as being unfit and overweight is a helath risk, and that some people who are overweight do have nasty attitudes) to lead to large, sweeping generalizations, promote bias and fill the recipiant with shame, geelings of inferriority and guilt.
I say this not because I am fat, or thin, or recovered from an eating disorder. I say and post this because when I speak, engage in relationships with other people, perform my job I want people to see my intellect, both the brilliant aspects of it, the fallacies in it, I want them to see my passion for living, for being active, I want them to see who I am, not what I look like. I want to know that if I speak to someone, they are valuing what I say more than whether or not I come beautifully packaged. The artist Diego who painted some of the most passionate murals that brimmed with vivacity and energy weiughed over three hundred pounds and was known for eating whatever he wanted. But was he undisciplined? This man also spent 18 hours at a time painting and creating. His works greatly added to the Mexican culture. Einstein gave up on trying to control his hair and appearance, does this make him undisciplined and undeserving of being taken seriously? Carolyn Manheim is a large woman, overweight , and refuses to diet. however she is an excellent actresss. Should we take her any less seriously because she refuses to fight her body into a certain size.
Why must soemone's appearnace be "acceptable" before they are taken seriously in society? All the aforementioned people had to prove their worth to society before they were granted serious consideration. Yet that care and concern is freely granted to the attractive, the athletic, the intelligent who support the contemporary viewpoints the masses of humanity desperately cling to, or the rich.
Why are the fat on welfare any worse than the thin HIV?AIDS person on welfare. They made a chooice to have unprotected sex, or they received a transfusion too early, or were "infected".
Moreover, why are people so quick to place people in catagories? BugsBunny, I'm sure the "class clowns" and "class slut" had names in your class. Why do you not allow them the dignity of posessing it? Surely the young woman was more than her sensuality and the "clowns" more than their sense of humor? Perhaps because it simplifies your world for you, you don't have to accept them as other people, JUST LIKE YOURSELF, and you can return to whatever eaily and comfortable archetype resides in your mind?
I guess the thing that pisses me off most is this overwhelming refusal to allow other people to be more than merely a label, to grant them the decency of being seen as an individual who is unique, flawed and yet, the only one like them, with strengths and weaknesses, with a history and a future. Especially when the indivduals who post such infantile labels turn around and beg for other people to pay homage to their uniqueness and supperior ability to be themselves. It speaks of insurprssable pride; this assuming that based on a person's appearnace alone you may judge them, and find them wanting. As I mature (granted I only have eighteen years accomplished so far) I am aware of my own failings and falliabilty. And as I am aware and appropriately humbled by the knowledge that I have not yet become perfect-- I become more compassionate to those who's flaws are easily apparent to me. They to are human, they most likely see things in me that are obnoxious and they are also responsible for themselves and since they are alive, they are in the process of changing as well. Maybe what I hope to encourage everyone who has read this to do is to cultivate compassion, and a sense of humanity. The supperiorty cloak ya'll are wearing with your veiled words and pointed insults just isn't very flattering for you. It makes your moral character look anorexic.
With much thought,
Annie

[m5lange1]

LOL

You all see too many movies. Campus scenes show all these beautiful people. If you see a fat/ugly person, you can pretty much bet they are an active character cast as a fat/ugly comedy relief.

Other public scenes, like malls and restaurants etc. are noticibly lacking those obnoxious kids who's parents let them run wild and the elderly.

Sort of gives us unrealistic expectations eh?

I went to a nude beach in Martinique once. Most of the population was saggy and sad to look upon. Probly there hoping to see others very unlike themselves.

[Mulkaccino]

This simply boggles the mind. You mean to tell me, you "hippophotanic land-mass," that you're perfectly willing to deal with back pain, shortness of breath, heart-disease, diabetes, chronic athsma, cholestoral in the quadruple digets, a 300-dollar AC bill, and never being able to fit into an airliner seat because you're too lazy to get off your overinflated Gleuteus Maxumus and go on a diet? Or exercise a little? Or SOMETHING?!?!?! Has your instinct for self-preservation gone so far down the evolutionary shitter than you're actually willing to do this to yourself?!?!

I think this is what gets people upset. I don't think this is a rant against fat people in general, more rant against people who have given up on bettering themselves and how annoying it is to here them complain that it's 'not fair.' Annie, like you said it's not about being THIN, it's about being healthy, and how many millions of people KNOW that eating well and excercising will make you healthy, yet lack the motivation and tenacity to do anything about it. That is what is annoying.

Why are the fat on welfare any worse than the thin HIV?AIDS person on welfare. They made a chooice to have unprotected sex, or they received a transfusion too early, or were "infected".

It is worse because the fat on welfare can do something about being fat (exercise/healthy diets). The HIV/AIDS patients really don't have an option. You cannot exercise AIDs away.

We have to label people because our minds catagorize what we see, it's the negative and positive conotations that bother you. I'm sure you have no problem when some says "Hey, don't pick that tall guy for the team." But you have a problem when someone says "Hey, don't pick that fat guy for the team." Why? Both sentances use labels.

I say this not because I am fat, or thin, or recovered from an eating disorder. I say and post this because when I speak, engage in relationships with other people, perform my job I want people to see my intellect, both the brilliant aspects of it, the fallacies in it, I want them to see my passion for living, for being active, I want them to see who I am, not what I look like. I want to know that if I speak to someone, they are valuing what I say more than whether or not I come beautifully packaged.

Well good for you, I think those are values you should hold strong. Unfortunately for your arguments, appearance DOES mean something. It should not mean more than ones personality, but has a great influence on it. It's naive to say we do not like things that look good. If you were to meet a wonderful guy who had a big belly but knew that if he excercised he'd not only loose the belly but might live longer and not have to worry as much as all the disease associated with being obese/overwight, would you encourage it?

Discrimination can be made illigal, and pointed out in black and white. But prejudice, the attidtude, the statements that conceal a hidden agenda, masks insecurites and is ultimately slef serving and protective, no that is hidden behind half truths (such as being unfit and overweight is a helath risk, and that some people who are overweight do have nasty attitudes) to lead to large, sweeping generalizations, promote bias and fill the recipiant with shame, geelings of inferriority and guilt.

I appoligze if I am taking you quote out of context, but isn't accusing all people who dislike 'fatness' as having a hidden agenda and prejudices just has bad as accusing fat being as being stupid (as Dunedan did)?

I personnally dislike seeing a girl with hip-hugger pants and love handles that spill quit a big over the edges. The first thing I think of is "this girl does not have a decent fasion sense as to what looks good on her body." Just as much as she has the right to do what she pleases I have a right to dislike what I please, and I do not think that is prejudice. Something does not please my eye, just the same as I do not like the sight of olive green shag-carpets. I am not judging her personality, I've never spoken to her. She could be an awesome minded person, but I still don't like the olive green shag-carpets Inversely, ever seen a physcially beautiful person (whatever you view as physically beautiful) only to talk to them and find them to have some awful portion of their personality. It kinda detracts form the physical beauty.

Each effect eachother: appearance and personality.

"It's a glandular problem!" - Homer Simpson

[PatrickHenry]

This one came up today: http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/story..../1007957830.htm

SIOUX FALLS, S.D. (AP) - A man who once weighed more than half a ton has lost 321 pounds under the care of a team of doctors and hopes to lose 450 pounds more. Patrick Deuel, 42, of Valentine, Neb., weighed 1,072 pounds when he was admitted to Sioux Falls' Avera McKennan Hospital eight weeks ago. Deuel, who is just under 6 feet tall, is on a 1,200 calorie-a-day diet.

[waterfalllife]

Oh.....My.......Effing.....Lord


His rolls have rolls

[PatrickHenry]

Hey, at least he's tryin'!

Unlike this:
http://www.volconvo.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2712

[Scribbler1]

Blamed it on genetics, did he? Just for yuks I'd like to have been able to watch him eat his "normal" meals for a week, or see his grocery bill.

Genetics! Bah!

[miguetoo]

dietary pills.. the new wave of medicine..

[Compugasm]

Fat people should be milked for their blubber. I bet you could power something with it. Or, you could make soap.