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Technosoul · Mar 26, 2008, 12:10 am

Suggested fact... they answer to Congress and the White House.

Percieved fact... the public does not know because of all the top secrets.

Notion - to their self and some long standing triditional ideaology which is connected to a group or individuals inside and outside of the CIA.

Or do they answer to some other identity?

HelioPrime · Mar 26, 2008, 12:24 am

The president and congress?

I think you've had enough Jason Bourne movies for tonite.

Domino · Mar 26, 2008, 01:16 am

The CIA charter is classified, so we have no way of guessing what their job is. One wonders if most of them know.

**Jack** · Mar 26, 2008, 01:28 am

"The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) is an independent US Government agency responsible for providing national security intelligence to senior US policymakers."

On December 17, 2004, President George W. Bush signed the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act which restructured the Intelligence Community by abolishing the position of Director of Central Intelligence (DCI) and Deputy Director of Central Intelligence (DDCI) and creating the position the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency (D/CIA). The Act also created the position of Director of National Intelligence (DNI), which oversees the Intelligence Community and the National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC).
https://www.cia.gov/about-cia/histor...cia/index.html

Rainbow · Mar 26, 2008, 04:32 pm

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Who does the CIA answer to ... really?

Itself

Chancellor · Mar 26, 2008, 04:42 pm

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Suggested fact... they answer to Congress and the White House.

Percieved fact... the public does not know because of all the top secrets.

Notion - to their self and some long standing triditional ideaology which is connected to a group or individuals inside and outside of the CIA.

Or do they answer to some other identity?

The CIA answers to someone?

Rainbow · Mar 26, 2008, 04:44 pm

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The CIA answers to someone?

Kite · Mar 27, 2008, 12:22 am

The CIA's job, as far as us civilians are concerned, is to not tell us what their job is.

What is their perceived job? Pushing buttons and pulling strings in the world, an assassination here, a cover up there, and censored documents for everyone.

They are supposed to answer to the president I guess, but its my guess that they keep most of the government in the dark about their business unless they need something from them.

Milton Bradley · Mar 27, 2008, 12:49 am

To the priginal question...

If you ask PatrickHenry, he says Wall Street. I'm inclined to believe that strictly on past behavior, and the results of those actions.

Follow the money, stupid.

Technosoul · Mar 27, 2008, 01:15 am

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To the priginal question...

If you ask PatrickHenry, he says Wall Street. I'm inclined to believe that strictly on past behavior, and the results of those actions.

Follow the money, stupid.

Hmm, if I follow the money trail it might end up with the taxpayer, and then they would have to answer to people like me. Honestly I do not think I really want to know what they are up too.

I was in fact watching a movie about the CIA. Why is Hollywood always showing them up to some sort of dirty deeds, using super dooper technology, where the people working in that place cannot trust each other to keep secrets, and so they end up shooting each other.

Why does that image exsist if they are just doing boring stuff like collecting information? I mean, would they really secretly bomb a ship to start a war? Would Congress give that a green light? How come they seem to do more undercover stuff that is "dirty" when Republicans are in the White House? Or do they just have an unjustified reputation for trying to snuff out someone in Cuba which is not in conformity with international morality and "agreements".

Milton Bradley · Mar 27, 2008, 02:59 pm

Think about their actions, and the results of those actions.

They topple foreign government so corporations can run in, and exploit their citizens to bolster our bottom line, and the ever expanding market that is Wall Street, and the perverted sort of capitalism that they prectice.

grandpa · Mar 27, 2008, 07:32 pm

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Think about their actions, and the results of those actions.
They topple foreign government so corporations can run in, and
exploit their citizens to bolster our bottom line, and the
ever expanding market that is Wall Street, and the perverted
sort of capitalism that they prectice.

True. They do plenty of things no one should deserve.

"The fetters imposed on liberty at home have
ever been forged out of the weapons provided
for defence against real, pretended, or
imaginary dangers from abroad."
James Madison

Milton Bradley · Mar 27, 2008, 07:50 pm

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True. They do plenty of things no one should deserve.

"The fetters imposed on liberty at home have
ever been forged out of the weapons provided
for defence against real, pretended, or
imaginary dangers from abroad."
James Madison

Heh, I hate it when people quote me before I notice, and correct my spelling mistakes. OK, I don't hate it, but it's not helping my cause.

Yep, we see many of the same things, and agree on many more. Makes me wonder how you ever ended up over on the Left side of the divide. You, Gr8fulDaniel, and a few others here really puzzle me with your association with outright socialist philosophies.

grandpa · Mar 28, 2008, 12:30 pm

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Heh, I hate it when people quote me before I notice, and correct my spelling mistakes. OK, I don't hate it, but it's not helping my cause.

Sorry about that. Happens to me sometimes, too.

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You, Gr8fulDaniel, and a few others here really puzzle me with your association with outright socialist philosophies.

I am surprised you have to ponder that (though I probably shouldn't be by now) . Anarchists, and even state socialists and state communists, have been parts of the general anti-war movement for many years.

Furthernore, it's obvious that one who ultimately wishes to abolish the state wouldn't be too keen on having the CIA around.

Grandpa h.

Milton Bradley · Mar 28, 2008, 05:11 pm

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I am surprised you have to ponder that (though I probably shouldn't be by now) . Anarchists, and even state socialists and state communists, have been parts of the general anti-war movement for many years.

Furthernore, it's obvious that one who ultimately wishes to abolish the state wouldn't be too keen on having the CIA around.

Well, I believe communism is a construct of capitalists, so I don't understand why you associate with the ideology they created, or think it's the answer.

grandpa · Mar 29, 2008, 01:49 pm

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Well, I believe communism is a construct of capitalists, so
I don't understand why you associate with the ideology they
created, or think it's the answer.

When people in a country are doing well, it's usually because there are more checks and balances against rulers -- whether we call the rulers "capitalists" or "communists."

Grandpa h.

Milton Bradley · Mar 30, 2008, 05:00 pm

That still says nothing about the root of your ideology.

If capitalists created communism as a boogey man, much like they created Al Queada, why do you percieve the answers to captialisms woes lie in the communist framework?

Technosoul · Mar 30, 2008, 11:42 pm

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Think about their actions, and the results of those actions.

They topple foreign government so corporations can run in, and exploit their citizens to bolster our bottom line, and the ever expanding market that is Wall Street, and the perverted sort of capitalism that they prectice.

That was that the Contra war was about in South America, (not offically called a war ). The new government wanted people to grow stuff so that people in their country could have inexpensive food to eat, and we wanted them to grow flowers to ship up here, which is acturally a big business with all the weddings and what not. Plus it was an ideology war, they became socialistic and some powerful people want to wipe out that kind of politics.

grandpa · Mar 31, 2008, 09:02 am

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That still says nothing about the root of your ideology.
If capitalists created communism as a boogey man, much like
they created Al Queada, why do you percieve the answers
to captialisms woes lie in the communist framework?

I hesitate to call much of what I say "ideology." The state is a shady entity, filled with plenty of shady characters.

Also, what do you mean by "communist framework?"

Grandpa h.

Milton Bradley · Mar 31, 2008, 03:23 pm

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Also, what do you mean by "communist framework?"

The same thing you do when you say anarcho-communist. You know, those philosophies you hold that put you on the Left side of the divide.

Mar 26, 2008, 12:10 am	#1 (permalink) (top)
Technosoul Volcanic Erupter Posts: 8,663	Who does the CIA answer too... really? Suggested fact... they answer to Congress and the White House. Percieved fact... the public does not know because of all the top secrets. Notion - to their self and some long standing triditional ideaology which is connected to a group or individuals inside and outside of the CIA. Or do they answer to some other identity?

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HelioPrime Hucking Fuskies Location: Conn Posts: 2,284	The president and congress? I think you've had enough Jason Bourne movies for tonite. What do you say to an atheist who sneezes? Yourdeadthatsit! - Dane Cook

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Domino I'm a pushover Posts: 344	The CIA charter is classified, so we have no way of guessing what their job is. One wonders if most of them know. kill President attack nuclear bomb smuggle Echelon just recorded this message.

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Jack formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 13,001	"The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) is an independent US Government agency responsible for providing national security intelligence to senior US policymakers." On December 17, 2004, President George W. Bush signed the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act which restructured the Intelligence Community by abolishing the position of Director of Central Intelligence (DCI) and Deputy Director of Central Intelligence (DDCI) and creating the position the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency (D/CIA). The Act also created the position of Director of National Intelligence (DNI), which oversees the Intelligence Community and the National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC). https://www.cia.gov/about-cia/histor...cia/index.html The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Heathen Queer Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant)

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Kite Evil Overlord Location: A Geofront, somewhere in Antarctica Posts: 938	The CIA's job, as far as us civilians are concerned, is to not tell us what their job is. What is their perceived job? Pushing buttons and pulling strings in the world, an assassination here, a cover up there, and censored documents for everyone. They are supposed to answer to the president I guess, but its my guess that they keep most of the government in the dark about their business unless they need something from them. I know your type. You think, "I'll just get me a costume, rip off the neighborhood kids." Next thing you know, you've got a jet shaped like a skull with lasers on the front! -The Monarch

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Milton Bradley BANNED Location: Ohio Province, Rep. of Comerica Posts: 7,320	To the priginal question... If you ask PatrickHenry, he says Wall Street. I'm inclined to believe that strictly on past behavior, and the results of those actions. Follow the money, stupid.

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Milton Bradley BANNED Location: Ohio Province, Rep. of Comerica Posts: 7,320	Think about their actions, and the results of those actions. They topple foreign government so corporations can run in, and exploit their citizens to bolster our bottom line, and the ever expanding market that is Wall Street, and the perverted sort of capitalism that they prectice. Last edited by Milton Bradley; Mar 27, 2008 at 06:34 pm.

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Milton Bradley BANNED Location: Ohio Province, Rep. of Comerica Posts: 7,320	That still says nothing about the root of your ideology. If capitalists created communism as a boogey man, much like they created Al Queada, why do you percieve the answers to captialisms woes lie in the communist framework?