The supernatural

[prejudged_Fire]

By supernatural, I mean ghosts, spirits, demonic possessions, etc. I'm not sure where to put this thread, so mods, feel free to move it as you see fit.

I was just wondering how many people here believe in supernatural beings (remember, not talking about God here). I don't really know. There's so many people who claim to have have encounters with them and then there's the "true story" movies and everything else (most notably, The Exorcist). So what do you think? The topic is up for debate.

[Technosoul]

I cannot say for sure because we have no scientific proof. But it seems apparent that a number of people have, or are sure they have, encounted something paranormal.

[Chaossaber314]

There are a lot of explanations for things in this area.

Some of the stuff I find the most interesting is that people living in fields of excessive electrical energy have a tendency to report feeling an unknown oppressive presence without any prior signs of mental illness.

[Technosoul]

Aha. Here is some proof, a collection of the best photographs of ghosts ever taken.

Best Ghost Photos Ever Taken

What'cha think?

[prejudged_Fire]

There are a lot of explanations for things in this area. Some of the stuff I find the most interesting is that people living in fields of excessive electrical energy have a tendency to report feeling an unknown oppressive presence without any prior signs of mental illness.

This is true, but what about stuff like White Noise? On the extras of the DVD for the movie, they had people who recorded white noise for a living and it was pretty strange. They would go in a house with their special recorders and when they play them back you can faintly here someone. After they enhance it on the computer, you can clearly here people talking. I mean I know it's easy to make a video like that, but to have millions and millions of people claiming they've had encounters, I find it hard to believe it could all be one big hoax.

[prejudged_Fire]

Aha. Here is some proof, a collection of the best photographs of ghosts ever taken. Best Ghost Photos Ever Taken What'cha think?

That ones kinda creepy..

[Technosoul]

Quote by: prejudged_Fire That ones kinda creepy..

Yeah, I used to double expose two subjects on one negative and get those kinds of photographys, pretty darn scary.

But most ghosts are pretty girls with long hair and a long dress, prehaps with a scarf flowing down on their head. But I should not stereotype ghosts, I might get haunted.

[Chaossaber314]

The one with what looked like a women stretching out along a stairwell I thought was the creepiest.

[rez]

Quote by: prejudged_Fire This is true, but what about stuff like White Noise? On the extras of the DVD for the movie, they had people who recorded white noise for a living and it was pretty strange.

White Noise, the movie. The movie about the little girl that goes around killing people because she has special supernatural powers. The movie where if Mrs. Watts can't figure out the puzzle in time everybody will die?

They would go in a house with their special recorders

Yeah? What was so special about them? How were these recorders constructed? Is there some kind of phsyics and technology out there that can detect ghost atoms or something?

and when they play them back you can faintly here someone.

What does that even mean? If you have a recorder and you hear someones voice recorded on it, then that means it was a ghost? Have you every tried to think about all the other real possibilities that could exist that could explain the voice?

After they enhance it on the computer, you can clearly here people talking. I mean I know it's easy to make a video like that,

Well there you go, you listed atleast 1 real possibility. That reason alone outweights any radical idea of humans being able to die and still exist in reality, but only through "special recorders".

but to have millions and millions of people claiming they've had encounters, I find it hard to believe it could all be one big hoax.

Hoax? More like one big misunderstanding. People rather not take the time to think about all the real possibilities that could explain such events. They rather be scared and entertained by their own creative imaginations.

[another day]

Lol notice how all these ghost photos are just that - photos? What is it about ghosts that make them show up with photography but not with the naked eye? People seem to have ridiculous confusions about the process of creating a photograph, as if a camera can somehow detect invisible supernatural things that the naked eye can't see? It's a light filtering process and nothing more.

Those photos are all tricks of photography, either accidental or purposeful.

[Mon Blueberry]

My Aunt is really interested in all of that stuff- ghosts, spirits, etc, but I won't really take it seriously until I have some sort of spiritual experience myself.

I think it's all a trick of the mind.

[prejudged_Fire]

@rez
It's called EVP (Electronic Voice Phenomena). I wasn't saying the movie was proof or even evidence. That would be ludicrous. But what the movie was based on is interesting.
Wikipedia

Again, not saying any of this is proof, but its something to think about.

Those photos are all tricks of photography, either accidental or purposeful.

Probably, but you can't really prove they're fake any more than they can prove they're real can you?

[nerdvincent]

Quote by: prejudged_Fire @rez It's called EVP (Electronic Voice Phenomena).

I saw a documentary on this. UK's greatest medium was invited in a fake-hauted house, and he used his recorder thing. Result: GTRSHSTHSTHSRDSHT. And he made interpretation out of it.
Then I saw how he used this thing to detect electromagnetic interferences: he was convinced it was ghosts. What caused this interference? Electric calbe in the wall.

Well I have my interpretation for "supernatural" event: let's say somebody saw a ghost:
We can deduce the ghost emmits photons -> Thus the ghost interract with our environment -> The ghost is a natural phenomon

So:
a) Ghosts exist and they are natural phenomons, and why not, they are scientifically explanable.
b) Taken that they are supernatural phenomons, ghosts don't exist.

But meanwhile, gimme a reliable proof ghosts exist...

[HelioPrime]

<--- believers in ghosts.

If they are are myth then were would people everyone come up with the idea of having seen them

[nerdvincent]

The idea of having seen them came when our ancestor wanted to understand death and hoped there was an after death. Then they took drugs (ie salvia divinorum by mexican shamans) and thought they saw ghost.

Q.E.D.

[grandpa]

Quote by: nerdvincent The idea of having seen them came when our ancestor wanted to understand death and hoped there was an after death. Then they took drugs (ie salvia divinorum by mexican shamans) and thought they saw ghost.

Unless people have any actual evidence for it, I'm rather quick to dismiss "supernatural" phenomena.
It's mostly just brain chemistry interacting with reality and what we want to believe.

Grandpa h.

[Technosoul]

Here is a good one.

About.com: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article891046.ece


Anything fishy about that claim that a man can cook something just with mind power?

I don't think so. (other then the fish he is cooking ).

[rez]

Quote by: HelioPrime <--- believers in ghosts. If they are are myth then were would people everyone come up with the idea of having seen them

Like OMG, you are so totally right. I can't think of any reason why people would ever come up with having seen something that never has existed before!

[rez]

Quote by: Technosoul Here is a good one. About.com: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article891046.ece Anything fishy about that claim that a man can cook something just with mind power? I don't think so. (other then the fish he is cooking ).

Yes... The Sun...a good one.

[gela]

ghosts..

I think they exist.. but they might not. I don't have any strong feelings either way.

Either way.. Im definitly not afraid of them.