Do you miss Ron Paul?

[Technosoul]

I was having fun debating all the Ron Paul supporters, upon my return I find they seem to have vanished because McCain (of all people) jumped to a big lead in the Republican primary.

I even miss hearing about his ideas, even if he was a crumb-bum when it came to environmental topics, but then I am not hearing much from the Democrats about the environment anymore now that Al Gore also seemed to have vanished and no longer is grandstanding on his Oscar winning movie.

I returned to a whole new poltical environment. The Obama people have showed up to replace the Ron Paul supporters.

Hillary seems to have changed in my perspective, sort of reminds me of a clown with a big happy face and a tear in her eye.

But what is next for Ron Paul. He was getting lots of support from new comers and independant folks even if his own Republican Party did not like him all that much.

Could he, would he, start up a new 3rd party? And prepare for 4 years down the road when another election cycle comes around, or is he too old, ready to retire, or perhaps to write a book.

He was the one person who got people interested in the Consitution agian, especially collage age kids. That was a good thing. Advocating that it is a living document that still should be respected and that it is not just a historical document to visit when you go on a tour to Washington DC.

Not just a document to use to try to win cases at the Supreme Court, but something that the President and Congress should be upholding, protecting, and acturally using when they make laws, submit bills, or outline national policy.

I miss Ron Paul, it is like as if the row boat Washington used had sank into the river and we had never won the war for independance.

[Compugasm]

There are only four horsemen of the apocalypse, because Hillary is a woman. There aren't many people that can clearly explain their positions. I hope Ron Paul comes back.

[Clarence]

I like his policies and perspective so much. I know that we need someone like him. He needs to retain his position in the house. What the Ron Paul phenomena has done may not be immmediately noticeable. He may be just a catalyst. We'll see about him.

...and I hope you're not just being sarcastic or patronizing, techno.

[grandpa]

Though Ron paul supporters claimed he was ignored, Paul was almost a darling of the mainstream press for a while, though they mostly made fun of him. They did that for a while with Nader, too.

That being said, I don't miss him.

Grandpa h.

[dreamer]

once march the 4th as come gone i think the real ron paul will show is true colors, the real game will start.

[Chaossaber314]

Quote by: grandpa Though Ron paul supporters claimed he was ignored, Paul was almost a darling of the mainstream press for a while, though they mostly made fun of him. They did that for a while with Nader, too. That being said, I don't miss him. Grandpa h.

Agree whole heartedly.

Even if Ron Paul wasn't frequently viewed in the mainstream media well over his other competitors that were polling at or around the same place, the level of free publicity he get over the net and elsewhere from his fanatical supporters renders that whole argument moot. The short story of the Ron Paul candidacy? He provided a message, stood by it (ignoring the ear mark issue) and the vast majority of this country dismissed it.

[Compugasm]

Quote by: Chaossaber314 He provided a message, stood by it (ignoring the ear mark issue) and the vast majority of this country dismissed it.

Why do you think that is?

[Chaossaber314]

Quote by: Compugasm Why do you think that is?

Because he essentially wanted to shred the federal government and put in place borderline confederate policies.

[HelioPrime]

Quote by: Compugasm Why do you think that is?

Because the majority of the country isn't interested in following 200 year old directions. Socialist and universal rights agenda's are the popular themes of this day and age.

Conservative attitudes are on the fall. Judge for yourself by the numbers of people showing up to democratic primaries compared to republicans.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Clarence I like his policies and perspective so much. I know that we need someone like him. He needs to retain his position in the house. What the Ron Paul phenomena has done may not be immmediately noticeable. He may be just a catalyst. We'll see about him. ...and I hope you're not just being sarcastic or patronizing, techno.

I was (am) sincer.

I sort of feel like we are saying our last "praises" or remarks over his tombstone. He might not be dead yet. That is not a joke. I feel he should become a teacher at some univerisity or collage, where he can relate his knowledge about the Consitution and the early days of our country to the next generation, I feel that is where he is needed and should have been all along. In our modern age of polictics and government he is like a duck out of water.

But I miss also debating his most interesting concepts and philosophy.

[Clarence]

So what are his most interesting concepts?

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Clarence So what are his most interesting concepts?

Of course his concepts or ideas are based in his interpretation of the Consitution or the intent behind it, as he thinks they might have thought. (they, being the founding fathers).

The most interesting is the shifting of power and authority from the Federal government to that of state governships. As well as the duty of raising taxes for projects from the federal system to income taxes to the power of states to tax people. In fact, no more Federal Income taxes or IRS, only state governments could raise taxes by such methods. His more limited Federal Government would be supported mainly, and as originally intended, by "boarder taxes", or what we might now think of as import / export taxes between the USA and other countries.

He felt that the Consitution was designed to limit the size (power) of the Federal government, so that each state and it's local population could all manage their local areas of the United States. As well as city governments or community governments. In those smaller groupings the people would have more say-so and not get lost as just another number among millions of other voices.

But when it came to smaller issues things get more interesting yet, he felt Americans should get as much freedom as possible, especially relative to the Feds. Less regulations over what kinds of weapons you wish to arm your self with. And if you like pot, durgs, pronography, and other such things now regulated then you could because he said it was none of the governments business to butt in on your private affairs, that would be up to local communities to allow or to regulate.

He would do more then Obama and Clinton in bring the troops home from Iraq, he would bring them home from all over the globe because they should be used only to protect our local boarders from hostle attacks. Not to fight everyone one else's wars all over the globe. And "American Interests" they would protect would be the U S of America - and it it ain't here in America then it is not our governments responsibilty. So basically no more "world wars" unless armed people attack American soil.

And the Federal government would no longer fund or support public schools or education, or welfare programs, or hospitals, and anything that moves money from the more wealthy to the poor people by forced tax collecting. And he would not fund national parks or wildlife areas and would give that land over to the states to do with as they saw fit.

However he would not prevent the state governments from making worse or more expensive programs then what the Feds have done, that is up to their own voting population. Your option: Pick a state that favors what you prefer as your governmental environment.

Abortion or other such religious issues and topics, again not for the Feds to determine, rule on, or regulate, unless directly commanded by something in the Consitution. And some of those Admendments he would seek to get rid of via Congress.

He would do what Cooperate business has down - downsize. Downsize the federeal government and move most of it's departments down to state levels of governing.

He would nearly isolate the Federal Government from taking part in international agreements of any kind to prevent "global governments" from getting a firm grip over American voters.

And so as you can see that when it comes to "change" the Ron Paul agenda makes Obama look like he plans to do "twat".

Those who support Ron Paul felt that special interest groups that had unconsitutional ideas would vanish form Washington DC as well as all those "in the pocket of" ..... whatever group you hate the most.

I do not agree with all his "reductions" and doubt if they would work anymore in our modern times, but are they "interesting" and can some of them not make you want to holler " yes, yes, it's about time, let's do it".

I miss that, because he was somewhat radical like Timothy Leary when it came to the "Establishment". I always like hearing form the radicals.
After all, our country was founded by radical people, with the idea that you should "think for your self". It might even be worth stepping off that edge to see what happens. Shake things up and let the chips fall. But not all of us like to gamble.

[Compugasm]

Ron Paul on Bill Maher answers your global warming issue nicely here techno. No matter how "crazy" the questions seem, Ron Paul answers in such a way that it makes perfect sense.

Ron Paul on G4TV - This is my favorite interview, because it's for a more "hip" audience, and he brings an interesting perspective to the "what about the children" arguments and the issue of censorship.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Compugasm Ron Paul on Bill Maher answers your global warming issue nicely here techno. No matter how "crazy" the questions seem, Ron Paul answers in such a way that it makes perfect sense. Ron Paul on G4TV - This is my favorite interview, because it's for a more "hip" audience, and he brings an interesting perspective to the "what about the children" arguments and the issue of censorship.

Thanks for the links. He has a new one out today also, the is going to write a book called "The Revolution" (subtitle - a manifesto). Has a plan to create an organization to bring together more like-minded canidates for his cause and what has become a cause for his supporters. He admitted he will not win this election but said that with the help of his support group many issues were brought to the forefront and the points made are now "out there" as a force. He feels he (and they) have created a momentum that will continue and will bear fruit as time goes by.

I think it would be a great idea if he became a talk show person like Rush Limburgercheese. (whatever his name is?). I would like to hear him on radio speaking about political things happening, and doing Q and A with callers. But he did not mention anything about that option.