The Dumbing Of America

[Tycoon]

For Tycoon, WOW you just proved my point huh. Your smart enough to fix this paragraph. Hmmm. how about that you must be smart and your the youth. Dang thanx for proving my point.

You're welcome.

For Halofan, the simple fact that your not challenging yourself to get a good job shows that your not smart at all, actuall you might be quite intellegent but lack social skills. thats why your typing under this instead of being in person.Its ok though somebody has to be dork.

Halofan is fifteen also. He also said that he's already getting all As. And also, DORK, you're typing this too.

[Tycoon]

You shouldnt question why we do this why we do that, you need to support us DUMMY, it doesnt do any good to whine about anything.

Maybe if we "whined" enough you wouldn't be over there fighting a war that doesn't need to be fought.

[gela]

anyways man i think you need to go to like i dont know any other country and live and try to speak what you think. cause you would get beaten.

Im insulted. I can say what I want and not get beaten. I don't live in America.

You shouldnt question why we do this why we do that, you need to support us DUMMY, it doesnt do any good to whine about anything.

I agree completely. Don't think about it, just blindly support your government. They must be good, honest people - they run America.

[Chris]

Quote by: southernbread For chris, Georgia is the real south, you cant get more southern then that. Are you kidding me? anyways man i think you need to go to like i dont know any other country and live and try to speak what you think. cause you would get beaten. You shouldnt question why we do this why we do that, you need to support us DUMMY, it doesnt do any good to whine about anything. You whine that cops are alays bothering you until what? until your punk a$$ needs them. Its all convient to you chris not to the world. America's problem is that we care about people too much

thats exactly right. There is no reason why we should be in Iraq. Just because I am against the war doesnt mean I dont support you or the troops.

You aren't defending free speech for Americans by being in Iraq.

As to your southern statement, what exactly are you talking about? I happen to live in Nashville, I am a transplant here. I never made any claim that Tennessee was more "southern" than Georgia nor do I care who is more "southern", so please forgive me if it was unclear.

We should really start a new thread -or join an existing one - RE: Iraq.

If you read my posts in this thread you would see, that we peobably agree on the subject at hand. (Americans are stupid) I feel that the education system is in peril, but that doesn't support blanket statements like "Americans are stupid"

[southernbread]

wow, im on duty right now thats why im on here. so why are you so interested in debateing why dont you and him enjoy being a kid and go play something with your friends? oh cause your not challeged by anything your 15 and super smart i forget or you might be not social too huh yeah im sorry i dont speak perfect english but im working on it actually. The south has a bad rep. You dont ever see a southern doctor do ya? no cause we sound dumb but a southern can drive anything you put in front of them try that.

[Tycoon]

Southernbread, you don't know anything about me. Don't assume that because I post on a debate forum I am an anti-social person.

As a matter of fact I'm doing English homework on the computer at the same time, so as long as I am here I might as well do something else I enjoy at the same time, huh?

[southernbread]

Im out but hope to talk to yall soon and i was refering to MJ thanks man AMERICA ALL THE WAY

[Chris]

heh what are you talking about southernbread? I see a southern doctor every time I go to the doctor

[thx1138]

anyways man i think you need to go to like i dont know any other country and live and try to speak what you think. cause you would get beaten. You shouldnt question why we do this why we do that, you need to support us DUMMY

Not all countries, maybe the countries you have unfortunately been sent to, as for blind support that really would make you a dummy.

[Chris]

Quote by: southernbread Im out but hope to talk to yall soon and i was refering to MJ thanks man AMERICA ALL THE WAY

I hope you return. But maybe you need to lay off the Toby Keith for a bit

[Halofan48]

Ok, everyone, please stay on topic. This is not a debate on the Iraq War.

Quote by: southernbread actuall you might be quite intellegent but lack social skills. thats why your typing under this instead of being in person.Its ok though somebody has to be dork.

People can be intelligent and very sociable. Many of the nerds at my school are very popular. Also, I like debating. Unfortunately, our school's speech and debate club was cancelled, so I joined this site.

wow, im on duty right now thats why im on here. so why are you so interested in debateing why dont you and him enjoy being a kid and go play something with your friends? oh cause your not challeged by anything your 15 and super smart i forget or you might be not social too huh yeah im sorry i dont speak perfect english but im working on it actually. The south has a bad rep. You dont ever see a southern doctor do ya? no cause we sound dumb but a southern can drive anything you put in front of them try that.

Please stop with the personal comments. The thing is, kids aren't being challenged enough in schools. We aren't reaching our full potential. We need to stop lowering the bar so the kids who are illiterate and incapable of doing simple math can get a high school diploma. It seems mean, but if they cannot do things like read, multiply, and write essays, then they shouldn't graduate, since their education isn't complete.

[southernbread]

Quote by: Chris I hope you return. But maybe you need to lay off the Toby Keith for a bit

wow man, maybe if we had everyone's support like toby keith than maybe then everyone would appreciatte everything they had. Instead of taking everything for granted. thank you. and if something happen to australia who would help fight for them? america thats right cause were bored lol

[southernbread]

Please stop with the personal comments. The thing is, kids aren't being challenged enough in schools. We aren't reaching our full potential. We need to stop lowering the bar so the kids who are illiterate and incapable of doing simple math can get a high school diploma. It seems mean, but if they cannot do things like read, multiply, and write essays, then they shouldn't graduate, since their education isn't complete.[/quote]





Hey if your not challenged then you need to go to an ADVANCED school. thats why we have those programs, if you dont take advantage of it, its your fought not americas. and we can debate on whatever we want because the iraq war has the american dummys so you call it in it. and thats where we get further education. Like the cultures of Iraq

[Technosoul]

the dumming down of this debate is starting to irriate me.

However to follow along (somewhat) I think the world is dumbing down and it is not just this country.

The whole smart - dumb system sort has a way to balance out and to normalize. The following idea however might be too intellectural for people to grasp, so I will try my best to make it as simple as possible, and it goes like this.

As we educate people with knowledge they slowly stop using their common sense or their ability to think for your self. Over time they are very smart in that they know lots of facts, but they have no common sense and so they use their knowledge and technology to do dummer and dummer things. Like they might make more computer games to waste time with and to kill the mind with. They study chemistry and then use the know how to make new designer drugs to freak out with.
Then learn how to use all this computer smart stuff and then sit here all day typing up debate letters that serve no real purpose other then to give our ego that little "tingle". If I was not so stupid I would even object to my self.

A real intellectural brings forth his potentals for understand things, he does not whitewash his outside with "expert facts" just to look pretty.

Allow me to repeat that.

Getting smart is when we learn to bring forth new ideas from within our self, not about remembering every theory just to use it as a shield of defense from other smart educated people that might endanger our status as "the leading expert in our field". A lot of good ideas are distroyed by those ego protecting theory collectors who always say "you are wrong, the facts are such and such". Facts? What about some new facts every now and then, to replace them older ones?

The nearly child like common sense must ride the wave of knowledge, otherwise you only have another pointless wave with that surfer dude on it "hey dude, how's it hangin' ", well they cannot help it if the best and most sexy parts are lower down then the less interesting parts are.
At least they know where it's at.

[Halofan48]

Quote by: southernbread Hey if your not challenged then you need to go to an ADVANCED school. thats why we have those programs, if you dont take advantage of it, its your fought not americas. and we can debate on whatever we want because the iraq war has the american dummys so you call it in it. and thats where we get further education. Like the cultures of Iraq

The thing is, the classes i'm in, are the advanced classes. Also, if your saying I need to go to a private school, what if I don't want to go to one, or what of someone can't afford to go to one.

Also, there are threads on the Iraq War. This thread is not one of them. If you want to debate the war, please move to those threads.

Technosoul, please don't make unsupported comments or comments supported by only one persons opinion. I like to debate because it's something i find enjoyable. I also learn things from debating because people present facts.

[Jack]

When I think of the dumbing of America I consider all the ways both young people and adults are allowing other people to tell them what to think instead of thinking for themselves. Politicians, ministers, teachers, radio and TV pundits, advertisers; every day we're inundated with people telling us what to think. We no longer teach people how to think.

[Halofan48]

Hm, You're right, that is a factor, I hadn't given that much thought. Perhaps one thing we can do to improve the education system is make sure teachers will provide the information without teaching them to blindly believe it. I know some do and some don't. My Bio teacher said before he taught evolution that it can conflict religion and to think what you think is right in your mind, while a friend of mine says her teacher said that evolution is completely wrong. So it is a problem. We should teach people in a way where they know the information and can make their own opinions on it.

[gela]

Technosoul:

1. learning about things does not necessarily mean you cannot think for yourself. I don't think the two are related at all. There are uneducated people who can and cannot think for themselves, and there are educated people who can and cannot think for themselves.

2. The fact that they are using knowledge to create 'dumb' things isn't because they are stupid. Its because dumb things sell. Its more a matter of greed then a matter of stupidity. Also, because more people spend time on things such as the internet and games then before, is not an example of a dumbing society. Because of technology, we have less work to do, therefore more time on our hands. Not everyone likes to read complex

Im not sure how you would teach someone to think, but I believe that Advanced English here does, or something similar anyway.

We do not learn what a noun is, and the structure of an essay.

We study texts, and relate them to society, humanity, human nature, or a variety of other concepts.

eg. We studied Blade runner and Brave New World - the topic was 'In the Wild'.
We discussed what makes humans human, what is 'barbaric' and what is 'civilised', consumerism, globalisation, genetic engineering, happiness vs freedom and what ever else you can draw from those texts. I finished school a while ago, so I don't really remember it very well, but it was very interesting and stimulating.
I didn't do particularly well at the subject, but I still feel as though I've gained alot from it.
Anyway, mabe thats what your getting at, mabe not.

[thx1138]

Quote by: Halofan48 The thing is, the classes i'm in, are the advanced classes. Also, if your saying I need to go to a private school, what if I don't want to go to one, or what of someone can't afford to go to one. Also, there are threads on the Iraq War. This thread is not one of them. If you want to debate the war, please move to those threads. Technosoul, please don't make unsupported comments or comments supported by only one persons opinion. I like to debate because it's something i find enjoyable. I also learn things from debating because people present facts.

You should come to Japan and study if you're not being challeged in school in the U.S. Of course there're students here that just get by but most go to school six days a week and on top of that cram school after school. Many students don't like it but after high school most are able to function in socity and raise a family.

I'm sure that is not an option for you, but you get the idea, don't just complain about not being challeged, do something about, school is not going to teach you the important things in life and can turn into a ticket to debt if you not careful.

You should reseach this topic in more detail and here are links to get started...
First a video and they a e-book "The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America" by Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt

Sovereign Solutions: Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt (Broadband Version, 800kbps)

http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com.../DDDoA.sml.pdf

[gela]

^ I'd agree with you, except I don't think his goal was to complain - it was to illustrate the dumbing down of American schools.