Cloverfield monster VS Godzilla

[Madeline]

I saw the movie Cloverfield the other day and was thinking who would win between the Cloverfield monster and Godzilla?

Love,
Madeline

[ruksak]

Was the movie any good? I've heard some bad things about the lack of an ending and the "documentary" (Blair Witch style) perspective.

[HelioPrime]

If you liked the Blair Witch then yes Cloverfield is great. If you demand everything be wrapped up in the end then you won't like the movie.

I think the movie is very realistic to the point where you begin to doubt or even hate the characters. People's lack of emotion or shock seem unreal at times even thou that is likely what they might be experiencing in such a case.

[ruksak]

Quote by: Helio If you liked the Blair Witch then yes Cloverfield is great.

I did like the Blair Witch. Mainly because of its status as an indy film and that it was so far out of bounds in relation to the typical Hollywood tripe.

What I don't like is cliché. And Cloverfield strikes me as being very cliché, with the minuscule amount of plot info they released. Which was a purposeful strategy of theirs. They went to extraordinary effort to hide the plot, even from the actors.

The movie poster imagery of the beheaded Statue of Liberty was what started my suspicions of cliché in this movie. This is an image that has been pimped to death. Planet of the Apes, The Day After Tomorrow, Escape from New York, are just a few films that have used this imagery. On the cliché list as well, the setting, NYC. Why is it always NYC? Always!

The general premise is even cliché, an Americanized Godzilla. The imagery, the monster and the viewing perspective are all borrowed, beat to death, clichés.

And yes, I am a picky ass prick when it comes to movies. I hate 98% of the sewage that drips out of Hollywood.

[Lullaby Chainer]

i liked it.. lol

[ruksak]

Quote by: Lullaby Chainer i liked it.. lol

Why did you like it?

[HelioPrime]

Clover is great because its not a clique steal from the BW. It's a movie trying the concept of first person view from what it might be like during a monster attack.

Other movies add lots of special effects and destruction scenes but clover focus's on the people involved, sometimes scary and sometimes boring.

I guess they could have done an attack on North Dakota on a farmers land but I guess the movie might have been a little less interesting. NYC is well known enough it makes a better movie target.

Just see the movie.

[ruksak]

Quote by: HelioPrime Clover is great because its not a clique steal from the BW. It's a movie trying the concept of first person view from what it might be like during a monster attack. Other movies add lots of special effects and destruction scenes but clover focus's on the people involved, sometimes scary and sometimes boring. I guess they could have done an attack on North Dakota on a farmers land but I guess the movie might have been a little less interesting. NYC is well known enough it makes a better movie target. Just see the movie.

It sounds intriguing. I'll probably wait to watch it on my big screen at home. Not much of a theater fan.

As for the NYC thing, that is just inexcusably cliché and overdone. There are thousands of cities in America that are far more interesting than NYC. A proverbial sh*thole in its own right. It sounds like much of this film may be imaginative, but the NYC thing is definitely not. As if all monsters have GPS and are privy to demographic studies showing them the most populated cities in a particular nation in which to attack.

Kinda gayish.

[Chaossaber314]

Spoilers...

In a Godzilla vs. Cloverfield Monster fight? Godzilla.

Why? Clovie IS Godzilla but minus his atomic breath. Given this ability which is more or less a staple of Godzilla, he wins hands down.

As far as the movie itself is concerned, it's entertaining albeit everything we've already seen in other movies but from a different perspective. A few games and movies kept popping up in my mind while I watched it.

28 Weeks Later - The carpet bombing scene was almost verbatim
Freedom Fighters - The early panic in the streets and random destruction through NYC
Silent Hill - The subway area
The Crappy Matthew Broderick Godzilla - The monster
Gears of War - The atmosphere, and the crawling bug things.
Half-Life 2 - This movie actually has the HL2 Ant Lions in it.

I enjoyed it, but did cringe at one point. There was one scene that was a rip off of the 9/11 footage of the woman getting pulled into a shop and watching the debris of a building continue to blow by through the glass. I thought that was pretty shameful.

And for those that liked the first Blair Witch movie, I highly recommend the games... particularly the first one that was continuation of the equally awesome game Nocturne.

[ZNFYRH]

I thought it was good.

Sure it used imagery from other sources, but these days it seems like nothing is new and original.

What I liked about it as that because you were literally locked into one person's view, you only saw things from their perspective.

There were times I found myself wishing he would look at the monster more, but then I realized that at those times you would be running the other way, or trying to find your friends, not staring at the monster and holding perfectly still while tanks and machine guns are firing around you.

SPOILERS...

I think of the part where they dodge down into the subway, and just as he goes down the stairs he glances up and sees the monster RIGHT THERE, but he falls down the stairs.

I was very frustrated, but realized that if that were me, trying to flee down stairs while looking at the monster, I would have fallen too.

So I accepted that I was locked into a view and started to enjoy the movie.

The beauty of it is that you don't see everything... that it leaves a mystery.

Just like the ending of Soprano's, I find the not-knowing to be much more artistic.

[Lullaby Chainer]

Quote by: ruksak Why did you like it?

probably cause of who i watched it with..

but eh, it was just entertaining

[Chaossaber314]

The more I think about the movie the more I got the sense of Half-Life watching it. Everything from the monsters, to the atmosphere, to the ending just reeked of Half-Life.

Being a Rapid HL1 fan that pleases me.


Though I will admit that I have a growing urge to re-edit the movie with the Godzilla roar at the appropriate times. It's on my To-Do list along with re-editing Spiderman 3 to give it a plot.

[Madeline]

Quote by: Chaossaber314 Spoilers... In a Godzilla vs. Cloverfield Monster fight? Godzilla. Why? Clovie IS Godzilla but minus his atomic breath. Given this ability which is more or less a staple of Godzilla, he wins hands down. As far as the movie itself is concerned, it's entertaining albeit everything we've already seen in other movies but from a different perspective. A few games and movies kept popping up in my mind while I watched it. 28 Weeks Later - The carpet bombing scene was almost verbatim Freedom Fighters - The early panic in the streets and random destruction through NYC Silent Hill - The subway area The Crappy Matthew Broderick Godzilla - The monster Gears of War - The atmosphere, and the crawling bug things. Half-Life 2 - This movie actually has the HL2 Ant Lions in it. I enjoyed it, but did cringe at one point. There was one scene that was a rip off of the 9/11 footage of the woman getting pulled into a shop and watching the debris of a building continue to blow by through the glass. I thought that was pretty shameful. And for those that liked the first Blair Witch movie, I highly recommend the games... particularly the first one that was continuation of the equally awesome game Nocturne.

I disagree...King Kong defeated Godzilla and if you had watched the most recent King Kong movie...you would see how easily KK was defeated by jets and tanks atop the empire state building. The Cloverfield monster smashed tanks like a walk in the park....and they were defenseless as they bombed the Cloverfield monster and still didn't do much harm to it. If KK defeated Godzilla, then what chance does Godzilla have against the Cloverfield monster? So it is obvious that the Cloverfield monster would make Godzilla look like a wimp.

Love,
Madeline

[Tycoon]

I disagree...King Kong defeated Godzilla and if you had watched the most recent King Kong movie...you would see how easily KK was defeated by jets and tanks atop the empire state building. The Cloverfield monster smashed tanks like a walk in the park....and they were defenseless as they bombed the Cloverfield monster and still didn't do much harm to it. If KK defeated Godzilla, then what chance does Godzilla have against the Cloverfield monster? So it is obvious that the Cloverfield monster would make Godzilla look like a wimp.

If KK and Godzilla met in actuallity then Godzilla would win. Sometimes they have to change ideas to get a new plot, to get viewers.

There's no reason to expect a giant lizard monster with lazer eyes and atomic breath would be defeated by a giant gorilla.

And so, yes, it is quite possible that Godzilla would beat the Cloverfield monster because of advantages that Godzilla has.

[Chaossaber314]

Quote by: Madeline I disagree...King Kong defeated Godzilla and if you had watched the most recent King Kong movie...you would see how easily KK was defeated by jets and tanks atop the empire state building. The Cloverfield monster smashed tanks like a walk in the park....and they were defenseless as they bombed the Cloverfield monster and still didn't do much harm to it. If KK defeated Godzilla, then what chance does Godzilla have against the Cloverfield monster? So it is obvious that the Cloverfield monster would make Godzilla look like a wimp. Love, Madeline

And keeping with the same logic if you've seen the most recent Godzilla movies you would see that the current rendition can withstand as much as black holes.

But even keeping with the traditional Godzilla... Godzilla not only withstood Hydrogen Bombs and the radiation released from them during testing in the 40's / 50's, but it is the source of his powers and size.

If King Kong < Tanks and Biplanes
& Tanks and Biplanes < Nuclear Weapons
& Nuclear Weapons < Thermonuclear Weapons
& Godzilla > or equal to Thermonuclear Weapons

it stands to reason that ...

Godzilla >>>>>>>>> King Kong

[ZNFYRH]

Don't believe the KK vs. Godzilla.

Godzilla is 200 feet tall.

King Kong is 50 feet tall.

Do the math.

Cloverfield is 300+ feet tall, but the thing to remember is that it's far more mobile than Godzilla... and it's also only a baby.

Not fully grown yet.

[ruksak]

Quote by: ZNFYRH Don't believe the KK vs. Godzilla. Godzilla is 200 feet tall. King Kong is 50 feet tall. Do the math. Cloverfield is 300+ feet tall, but the thing to remember is that it's far more mobile than Godzilla... and it's also only a baby. Not fully grown yet.

Zen solved yet another perplexing issue with math. In this case, I tend to agree.

[Chaossaber314]

Quote by: ZNFYRH Don't believe the KK vs. Godzilla. Godzilla is 200 feet tall. King Kong is 50 feet tall. Do the math. Cloverfield is 300+ feet tall, but the thing to remember is that it's far more mobile than Godzilla... and it's also only a baby. Not fully grown yet.

I'm not quite sure how tall Clovie really is. He seems in some scenes to be about as tall as you said and in others, like the close up at the very end, he looks significantly smaller.

The thing I keep coming back to though is the atomic breath.

Powers and abilities of Godzilla - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[shawmutt]

Was the movie any good? I've heard some bad things about the lack of an ending and the "documentary" (Blair Witch style) perspective.

The movie gave me a friggin' headache. I spent most of it staring at the theatre floor. Good parts were peppered in here and there, but overall it consisted of all the staged drama one would find in a reality show filmed with an epileptic camera holder. The whole movie just didn't do it for me. My wife, on the other hand, loved it.

[Chaossaber314]

Quote by: shawmutt The movie gave me a friggin' headache. I spent most of it staring at the theatre floor. Good parts were peppered in here and there, but overall it consisted of all the staged drama one would find in a reality show filmed with an epileptic camera holder. The whole movie just didn't do it for me. My wife, on the other hand, loved it.

I'm curious how close you sat to the screen because it seems from what I've heard that that makes ALL the difference in the world.