How Many Weapons do you own?

[J. Askiloupos]

I once saw a handgun that really caught my attention in a Japanese animated show which was titled Hellsing. The vampiric protagonist, Alucard, utilizes a pair of massive hanguns known as the Jackal and Casull. Both are chambered in an absolutely titanic custom-made 13mm HEAP round, which would send an ordinary human's shoulder out of joint in the process of being fired, even from a supported Weaver stance. I was interested enough in the mythos of these particular weapons to have the pair ordered in .454 from a friend of mine who has been running his own gunsmithing shop for some time. True enough, a pair of handguns is extremely difficult to use correctly, and not terribly efficient for self-defense purposes, but they are fantastic for target shooting, and the extraordinary length of the barrel on both pieces allows for a good deal more range and accuracy than one is used to from pistols.

In the category of what Isherwood referred to as "Sticks and Pokey things", I have had the honor of ownership of six Hanwei-made blades.

One matched set of Musashi samurai blades, composed of katana, wakazashi, and tanto.

One Chinese straightsword, narrowly fullered for lighter bladeweight.

And one matched pair of Rennaisance blades, composed of rapier and main-gauche.

Other weapons include the ubiquitous 12-gauge shotgun, a .40 caliber Glock, and another paired set of handguns- Ruger MKIII in .22 caliber Long.

That is roughly the summary of my personal armory, excluding my home-made rope dart, which is simply a lead weight spliced into the end of a 20-foot length of synthetic cord. The true lazy man's weapon of choice. I barely have to go anywhere while using it, as I have reach advantage on everyone else, barring firearms.

[ruksak]

Quote by: ZNFYRH And see? Specifics are good. Saying, "I showed my gun" makes you sound like an ass. Giving the details as to why your gun was the most effective solution, and why it was, in your case, one of the only solutions... as well as that you kept him sighted until you could leave the area... sounds much more reasonable.

LOL....ya just holding it up for observation isn't real bright. If you pull it, you had better be ready to use it. 15 years of carrying a sidearm, and thats it. Not one other single instance wherein I even so much as thought about it.

I have been in plenty of fist fights as a youth. But I am a grown man nowadays and that sort of thing is beyond me.

[ZNFYRH]

ruksak

I don't carry in my vehicle, as I have kids, but in that situation, I would politely take out my cell phone, dial 911, leave it on the seat, and get out of the car.

This is, of course, assuming I'm not with my family.

I'm a firm believer in striking second, not first, and punching me means you get cut on the arm.

I don't believe in potentially killing someone over something non-lethal.

I think a greater weapon of self-defense is a relaxed lifestyle, even temperament, and less aggression in day-to-day living.

Best way to defend against a situation is to not be in it.

[Chaossaber314]

Quote by: Osborn Are you good for anything other than personal insults? Do you deny the person in the video is a trained gun professional? Do you deny the obvious lesson I was pointing out in the video?

That time of the month? I added a smiley showing quite clearly that I was teasing.

Since you decided to flip out I'll address your points though.

Do you deny the person in the video is a trained gun professional?

No. I don't know the person so I can't say. I also don't know what was used in the making of this fictional portrayal. Unless of course you're asserting that he really did shoot that man.

Do you deny the person in the video is a trained gun professional?

I think it's quite clearly a moot point.

Provided that this wasn't fiction. Provided that your link showed an actual person in a real life situation pulling out his gun and firing on another person in a setting that... let's just say isn't made for TV... you still have the issue that IF this man is a trained professional as you assert that doesn't mean that any everyday person, regardless of training is going to reach that standard.

I can show you a video of Bruce Lee but it doesn't mean that I or any other average human being can become a Jeet Kune Do master or even come close to that level.

But of course, why am I addressing someone of your stature. Clearly you're the greatest gunfighter to ever live. How's your CS1.6 clan doing?

[ruksak]

Quote by: ZNFYRH I don't believe in potentially killing someone over something non-lethal.

Washington County Sheriff’s Office -- Fist Fight Results in Head Injury and Arrest

Witnesses told deputies that the victim was sitting in a car when the suspect, 22-year-old Ryan Rasmussen, punched out the window where the victim was sitting and started attacking him in the car. The victim got out of the car and confronted Mr. Rasmussen. Each of the men threw several punches at each other. By one account, Mr. Rasmussen struck the victim in the face after which the victim fell back and struck his head on the pavement.

Almost exactly the same scenario I faced, other than him punching out the window. I witnessed a teenager (when I was a teenager) Almost die from swelling of the brain. We all met at Carson park near our school, after school let out, to witness a fight between two boys over a girl. About 50-60 kids showed up to witness it. The fight was short. One kid (David) hit the other (Shawn) with a devastating upper cut. Shawn fell backward and struck his head on the blacktop, knocking him unconscious. Shawn began convulsing and fell unconscious. David was arrested for felony assault. Shawn's brain swelled to the point where they had to drill a hole in his skull to alleviate the build up of fluids.

All the result of a fist fight. So this is why I view a fist fight between two adult men as a potentially deadly event.

Head trauma kills state Rep. Herrero's father : Corpus Christi Local | Caller-Times |

Ivan Alfonso Herrero, 59, and his wife, Marta, stopped at a Denny's restaurant in the 5100 block of Interstate 37 about 10:30 p.m. Friday after attending a Juan Gabriel concert, police said. Police Chief Bryan Smith said during the weekend that a 56-year-old man, Manuel Garcia, stepped in front of Herrero in line for a table, and Herrero told the hostess that his party had arrived first. Garcia is accused of hitting Herrero twice in the head -- once in the face and once in his ear -- which caused him to fall and hit his head on the floor. Herrero was conscious and able to talk when officers arrived about 10:42 p.m., police said. He was taken to the hospital, where he died about 1:05 a.m., said Capt. Jay Vesely. Garcia is charged with murder-intense bodily injury causing death, according to Nueces County Jail reports. He was released from jail Saturday on a $100,000 bond.

[Osborn F Enready]

Nice collection Askiloupos.

[Osborn F Enready]

Well Chaos, you have just equaled yourself to some of my other "not worthy of posting to" posters.

Enjoy.

[Chaossaber314]

Quote by: ZNFYRH ruksak I don't carry in my vehicle, as I have kids, but in that situation, I would politely take out my cell phone, dial 911, leave it on the seat, and get out of the car. This is, of course, assuming I'm not with my family. I'm a firm believer in striking second, not first, and punching me means you get cut on the arm. I don't believe in potentially killing someone over something non-lethal. I think a greater weapon of self-defense is a relaxed lifestyle, even temperament, and less aggression in day-to-day living. Best way to defend against a situation is to not be in it.

Agreed. Some people in this thread (not everyone) sound almost like they would actually like to use their firearm against a human being. Maybe they don't want to go around shooting people, but it seems as though some here would get off on mortally wounding an intruder or someone who attacked them. I guess I just can't relate to that sadistic attitude.

[Chaossaber314]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready Well Chaos, you have just equaled yourself to some of my other "not worthy of posting to" posters. Enjoy.

Like the last time, you have my mascara running again!

Next time address the points rather than running away when you find you can't answer them.

[J. Askiloupos]

Nice collection Askiloupos.

Thank you. I may have to post a picture of the Jackal and Casull set. With one in pure chrome and the other in glossy black, they're a beautiful match for one another.

[J. Askiloupos]

Agreed. Some people in this thread (not everyone) sound almost like they would actually like to use their firearm against a human being. Maybe they don't want to go around shooting people, but it seems as though some here would get off on mortally wounding an intruder or someone who attacked them. I guess I just can't relate to that sadistic attitude.

I once had to take a life in defense of my own. The guilt that one lives with after something like that is enormous, and anyone who enjoys the destruction of another human being is overdue for a psychological exam.

[ruksak]

Quote by: J. Askiloupos I once had to take a life in defense of my own. The guilt that one lives with after something like that is enormous, and anyone who enjoys the destruction of another human being is overdue for a psychological exam.

I'm not sure anyone here "wants" to kill a criminal to fulfill a sadistic fantasy. We, at least I am, asserting a willingness as well as a preparedness to do so if needed.

[Osborn F Enready]

Chaoss and ZNY think I would, because I also happen to support Constitutionally Limited government, strong individual rights, and the right to revolt.

They base their "assumption" on their own perception, instead of actual fact.

[leviathon435]

Quote by: ruksak I'm not sure anyone here "wants" to kill a criminal to fulfill a sadistic fantasy. We, at least I am, asserting a willingness as well as a preparedness to do so if needed.

I think maybe this is the fundamental point on which we disagree on, you feel the need to be able to kill someone if necassary and you probably would, whereas I would not. This does not mean that you like killing people or that you want to, but nor does it mean that I'm a coward for not "asserting a willingness to do so", I just don't think violence solves things. In the situation you have mentioned you have said that you would have been prepared to shoot him-
1) Would that have been in the leg or arm, i.e. non fatal or to kill, indeed are you a good enough shot to be able to choose?
2) Would it have been worth it for you to live with the fact that you had shot, and possibly killed someone?

P.s. I know you haven't called me a coward and you might not have even inferred it but I just wanted to make that point clear, so please don't think I'm being defensive.

[Praxius]

Quote by: ruksak I had him sighted. No way he could have drawn down on me. The adrenaline was pumping, I was ready to shoot his ass. He made a loud proclamation with many a witness; "I'm gonna beat the f*cking sh*t out of you." Giving me just cause for deadly force if necessary.

See if buddy was threatening to beat the crap out of me, my mouth would be going, telling him to make his move if he think's he's such a tough guy over such a trivial issue.... a knife would pose an equal threat to him.

If he had a gun in his possesion, he wouldn't have time to know I have a knife.... limit their information on the situation to gain an upper hand.

But this is just hypothetical, nor am I saying your situation with the firearm wasn't justified.... just explaining how I'd deal with it.

I did pretty good being unarmed against 5 drunk punks over a year ago and did more damge to them then they did to me..... doesn't help they got off scott free due to them vs me in courts.... ffs.... should have brought my blade that night.

[Praxius]

Quote by: ruksak I'm not sure anyone here "wants" to kill a criminal to fulfill a sadistic fantasy. We, at least I am, asserting a willingness as well as a preparedness to do so if needed.

I have a thin line. They get a chance to talk and get out of the situation, but if the risks involved seem like there is little chance for that, then I'll cross my line and they can face the consiquences for their actions/decisions.

I will have no remorse for what happens to them, as I am protecting my life and well being against something they know fully well they shouldn't be doing, not just due to morals, but law.

[jose]

I dont own a weapon because i need one, but rather because i might need one,and quickly

[Chaossaber314]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready Chaoss and ZNY think I would, because I also happen to support Constitutionally Limited government, strong individual rights, and the right to revolt. They base their "assumption" on their own perception, instead of actual fact.

I think nothing of the sort.

When you go on bragging about your infallible defensive capabilities I think that you sound like a child bragging about their mad 5ki11z.

When ZNF hears you he thinks you sound like two dudes arguing about penis size.

I guess those views are close enough together though not for any of the reasons that you listed.

[ZNFYRH]

Osborn

You hate people putting words in your mouth.

Don't do it yourself. Your childish bickering with Chaos has nothing to do with me.

I never said you would get off on shooting someone.

J. A

I've also had to. On one hand, it got me a decoration. On the other, I hate that I was in the situation in the first place.

ruksak

I just happen to think there are other ways to be prepared.

To say how I prefer to be prepared, and then have the gun-nazis tell me I'm wrong, is just plain obnoxious.

[Osborn F Enready]

Chaos said: I think nothing of the sort. When you go on bragging about your infallible defensive capabilities I think that you sound like a child bragging about their mad 5ki11z.

Show me, quote me saying my defense is "infallible"?

Chaos said: When ZNF hears you he thinks you sound like two dudes arguing about penis size.

Is it my fault he has male issues?

You can thank him for introducing phallic conversation into this thread, not me.

Chaos said: I guess those views are close enough together though not for any of the reasons that you listed.

I guess for some, who read INTO what is posted, instead of reading what was ACTUALLY POSTED.

ZNY said: You hate people putting words in your mouth. Don't do it yourself. Your childish bickering with Chaos has nothing to do with me. I never said you would get off on shooting someone.

I was simply giving credit where credit is due.

Notice I didn't say anything about penises and cocks either, yet you were sure to include me in your little emotional rant.