How Many Weapons do you own?

[ruksak]

Quote by: Winter wind Organ damage at 1-2 inches in the chest area. Lungs destroys breathing. Heart...well. Stomach is slow, but leaks acid into chest cavity. Liver poisons system. internal bleeding into chest cavity. Neck or wrists makes for loss of blood. Face is protected by skull, but if you get in too deep...

Two words for ya dear; SLOW DEATH!

And slow death to a gun wielding man when you just threw a friggin knife at him is a bad thing for the now, knifeless, you.

[ruksak]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready BS.

And yes......double BS.

I throw knifes for hours while I catfish. They aren't easy to throw that fast if you wish to aim. As well, one can dodge a knife. Dodging a bullet however is altogether different.

[Osborn F Enready]

I have posted this before, but its such a good example I will post it again.

The proper way to cross-draw from semi-concealed carry, and a thorough use of the Mozambique philosophy put in practice: (watch the video in the link)
The Gun Zone -- Miami Vice

The Mozambique Drill considers the deficiency of the pistol round in stopping an adversary. Statistics show that reactions in gunfights are extremely irregular - one must be prepared for the worst. Many times it is the case that after absorbing the trauma of the first shots, the enemy will disregard further ballistic insult. In this situation, "more shots" are not the answer. As part of the U.S. National Guard Combat Pistol and other military combat pistol competitions, the Mozambique Drill is called Body Armor Defeat, and is frequently a discriminator between the average shooter and a gifted shooter, especially when it is timed.

Mozambique Drill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Anyone who thinks a throwing knife will disable an attacker instantly is being foolish and quite naieve to the point of putting themselves in danger.

There is a ton of documentation and statistical data on real-life situations between attacker and defenders. A determined human is one of the hardest living things to stop, armed or unarmed, and then you have the issue of stimulants, drugs or any other number of "relevant factors" concerning their aggression and ability to withstand pain and punishment.

[Winter wind]

Two words for ya dear; SLOW DEATH!

for stomach and liver damage, yes. But i don't think the guy is going to be doing matrix-esque moves while it's happening.

I'm not saying anything, I'm just pointing out that a knife wound isn't something you scoff at.

[HelioPrime]

Quote by: phoenix_fire Not a huge fan of guns.

Vampires don't use guns much do they?

[Praxius]

Quote by: ruksak Unlike in the Hollywood movies, people do not drop dead as soon as the knife hits them. Extraordinary luck would be involved for the injury to be sufficient to do anything more than provide them a flesh wound.

There is also an instinctive reaction everybody has when impaled by something big like a blade, and in most cases, the stall is all you require to either disarm or to flee.... but then you don't get your knife back.

As for close combat slash tactics, there are various locations on the body in which you can slash tendons and ligaments, such as in the firing hand of the individual, which if done properly you can imobilize their hand quite badly.

Throw it into their neck or throat and they're either going to be too concentrated on their own survival, or they may go into a rage of taking you down with them.... nothing is certain in a combat/defensive situation.

Much as if you are in a fist fight and you make a good contact and dramatically break their nose, or break their windpipe.

My .45 CAL Glock however, will knock your ass down sideways in an epic bloody show, even if I hit you in the arm. If I hit center mass, as I practice doing often, you will be well on your way to your maker before your knife wielding ass even hits the ground.

Bullets don't hit on target 100% all the time either.... facing a black printed target and shooting it as it is stationary or sliding back and forth, is not the same as someone zig zagging and moving at you with the actual intent on doing equal damage to you as you are to them.

What do you do when your fancy gun is somehow removed from your hand? I can carry more knives then you can carry guns And once again... you can draw a blade faster then you can draw and ready a firearm.... it's just mechanics compared to your own reaction time.


KNIFE TACTICS

It's midnight in the jungle, and a United States Marine Corps infantryman crouches in the grass. His M16 assault rifle, emptied of bullets, lies somewhere in the thick underbrush, near the bodies of the soldier's slain enemies. He is alone, and he is far from home, behind enemy lines. Yet he is unafraid. He still has his knife, and in close combat, that is all he needs. According to Jim Advincula, a longtime U.S. Marine Corps knife and close - combat instructor, basic knife-fighting techniques are far more effective in close-combat situations than fancy or advanced techniques. For the average grunt, simple is deadly...... .....Targets Attacking the right targets is a key to effective knife fighting. The objective is to neutralize the enemy as quickly as possible, but this does not mean always attempting to strike vital points. Since the enemy will generally be defending his vital points, you should seek the most available target, be it the solar plexus, back, neck, stomach, etc. Drawing first blood is a tremendous psychological advantage. The more you strike your opponent- regardless of where you hit him- the more he will bleed and weaken..... .....Advincula also teaches students to aim for the opponent's weapon-wielding hand. By disabling the hand that holds his weapon, you neutralize the threat to your safety and gain the advantage. If the enemy has two weapons- say a pistol in one hand and a knife in the other- zero in on the one that presents the most immediate danger to your well-being. The official motto of the U.S. Marine Corps is semper fidelis, a Latin phrase meaning "always faithful." By practicing the basic principles of close-combat knife fighting—proper grip, balanced stance, accessible targets—you too can be assured that your knife will always be "faithful," be it in the jungle, or on the streets....

Among other sites and references I have... I figured one from the US Marines would be taken more seriously by many here.

[Praxius]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready BS.

BS Nothing, enjoy:

http://www.trailerparkshow.com/selfdefense3.html

Consider this: If you have a holstered gun and you are very well trained in a quick draw, you can likely draw and fire your weapon in a 1-to-1.1 seconds. The second shot goes off about 2/10’s of a second later. The third shot is released in another 2/10’s of a second. Therefore, if someone standing 21 feet away attacks you with a knife, he will strike his target in 1.5 seconds. You, on the other hand, in that same 1.5 seconds are lucky to draw and fire one or maybe two shots. It gets even worse when you factor in reaction time. It can take as much as 1/2 second to react to the attack mentally and make the decision to counterattack with your weapon. And just imagine if you’re a civilian or off-duty in civilian clothes and your weapon is carried concealed. That’s probably going to add another 2/10 or 3/10 of a second to your draw. Considering the fact that a handgun cartridge (even the .45ACP) does not have the ability to instantly put someone down, unless it’s a head shot and within the kill zone, in such a knife attack, you are probably going to get hurt.

[brien]

so do you possess a weapon(s) how many

Enough. None of anyone's business but my own. I am certain big brother is aware of most of my firearms anyway.

[Praxius]

Quote by: ruksak And yes......double BS. I throw knifes for hours while I catfish. They aren't easy to throw that fast if you wish to aim. As well, one can dodge a knife. Dodging a bullet however is altogether different.

Psh, Read above and learn.... if you're not trained in using a knife as you are with a firearm, then yeah, you're gonna be slow and probably inacurate, and vice versa.

Dodging a bullet is indeed tricky, if it is actually aimed where you are moving to or stationed.

Gee I would have figured you firarm promoters would have known all this.

[Praxius]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready Anyone who thinks a throwing knife will disable an attacker instantly is being foolish and quite naieve to the point of putting themselves in danger.

And thinking your firarm or little pistol is gonna be completely effective in the same manner is equally foolish.

There is a ton of documentation and statistical data on real-life situations between attacker and defenders. A determined human is one of the hardest living things to stop, armed or unarmed, and then you have the issue of stimulants, drugs or any other number of "relevant factors" concerning their aggression and ability to withstand pain and punishment.

Agreed.... Both forms of weapons, blades and firearms both have their advantages and disadvantages, it's all about training and preference. The weight of a blade can produce enough momentum to make it impale in a decent fashion.... but besides all that, throwing your knife is more of a last option.

[brien]

Anyone who thinks a throwing knife will disable an attacker instantly is being foolish and quite naieve to the point of putting themselves in danger

Oh, but Os, we must recognize the great throwzini's of the world.

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Wooooo Whooooo Uncle Jed's knife ain't just fer whittlin anymore there pardner!

[Osborn F Enready]

Prax said: BS Nothing, enjoy:

If that was meant as entertainment, you have done well.

I am quite familliar with knives and knife fighting techniques, but I still know BS when I see it, so I called it.

Knives can be effective for self-defense, but the dependence on range is critical to their effectiveness, and firearms provide a much larger range of effectiveness, equal time to put into action, and allows much more space to be put, or kept between you and your opponent.

Prax said: And thinking your firarm or little pistol is gonna be completely effective in the same manner is equally foolish.

Where did I say completely effective?

I didn't, for good reason. Nothing is completely effective, except never, ever putting yourself in a threatening situation. We both know that is a matter of luck as much as planning, since we can't control random circumstance.

Prax said: Agreed.... Both forms of weapons, blades and firearms both have their advantages and disadvantages, it's all about training and preference.

I agree up to the point of "preference".

There are serious liabilities to using a knife as opposed to a gun for self-defense, and you haven't addressed any of them.

I am not saying there are no reasons to prefer a knife that are valid, but, when compared equally, a self-defense handgun is better than a knife in multiple areas that you must view a defensive situation.

Effective range alone is enough to seal that case.

Prax said: The weight of a blade can produce enough momentum to make it impale in a decent fashion.... but besides all that, throwing your knife is more of a last option.

Yes, there are wonderful throwing knives, specialty slashers and rippers, as well as balanced multi-use blades. In any defensive situation having more choices is always better, as is having less liabilities than your attacker.

If your attacker has a knife, that is his liability regarding effective range of his weapon, if you have a firearm.

I personally use both knives and firearms, and recognize them both for their strengths and weaknesses.

In the end, knives can be effective as a defensive weapon, but a firearm is always preferrable if the given amount of training for each is equal, that is, if you prefer to have an "edge" if any is available over your attacker. (pun intended)

[Osborn F Enready]

brien said: Oh, but Os, we must recognize the great throwzini's of the world.

Indeed....

brien said: Wooooo Whooooo Uncle Jed's knife ain't just fer whittlin anymore there pardner!

I used mine as a wirestripper just the other day... Imagine that.

It didn't have any "OSHA approved" blade guards on it though, so I was very worried and amazed I could complete the task without injury.

[Praxius]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready Knives can be effective for self-defense, but the dependence on range is critical to their effectiveness, and firearms provide a much larger range of effectiveness, equal time to put into action, and allows much more space to be put, or kept between you and your opponent.

I'll just respond to this for the moment since I'm out the door.... at a distance you may have issues with a knife..... but if you think you're gonna hit someone with accuracy with a pistol from a fair distance away, whom is also moving, you're greatly mistaken. Pistols do not have the barrel length for a good shot at accuracy as cetain distances, dpending on the pistol.

Now if you had a semi-auto rifle against a knife at a distance, then the situation is obviously different now isn't it?

[Osborn F Enready]

Prax said: I'll just respond to this for the moment since I'm out the door.... at a distance you may have issues with a knife..... but if you think you're gonna hit someone with accuracy with a pistol from a fair distance away, whom is also moving, you're greatly mistaken.

This isn't about bragging rights, its about facts.

The fact is, a self-defense handgun has great advantage over a self-defense blade, in many areas, given equal amounts of training.

You may be the cats-ass with your knife, that I am not disputing, but the fact remains that firearms have many advantages over bladed weapons.

A lot of people over history have died proving this point, so why ignore the point exists?

[ruksak]

Quote by: Praxius Bullets don't hit on target 100% all the time either.... facing a black printed target and shooting it as it is stationary or sliding back and forth, is not the same as someone zig zagging and moving at you with the actual intent on doing equal damage to you as you are to them.

My hollowed point 45 rounds have extraordinary knockdown power. I need only hit you anywhere to not only cause a serious wound, but to knock you down. It really is quite impressive over the knockdown power of, for example, a 9mm.

Also, I shoot living things all the time. Many times whilst these living things are making a hasty escape. Granted, its not the same thing as having to deal with the fear factor as something is coming at you, intent on killing you.
As seen here;
YouTube - LION ATTACKS HUNTER (JUST MISSES)

So your point is valid.

Quote by: Praxius And once again... you can draw a blade faster then you can draw and ready a firearm.... it's just mechanics compared to your own reaction time.

I carry cross-draw. It comes out fast. Very.

I bet the women of Volconvo are enjoying this testosterone oozing show of E-machismo.

And again, just to be utterly immature;
Indiana Jones : Sword vs. Gun

[phoenix_fire]

Quote by: HelioPrime Vampires don't use guns much do they?

It varies.

[HelioPrime]

Master Naruto Blades

I just noticed these as an add with this thread. Pf any idea why these blades fall under the name of a anime character?

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Nono Thing is, I don't live in The Jungle.

Is your society collapsing around you as we speak?


Is your unit of currency plummeting because of incompotent administration?


Is your government accused of overstepping it's bounds on a daily basis?


As a peruse these forums, I ask myself, who would deny somebody here the right to self defense? Particularly considering the impending financial crisis.

[phoenix_fire]

Quote by: HelioPrime Master Naruto Blades I just noticed these as an add with this thread. Pf any idea why these blades fall under the name of a anime character?

Because the ninjas in the anime use this kind of throwing knives. Very nice.