Good Lord -- 1.7 TONS

[Section 8]

Sarcasm isn't a viable debate strategy. Paraphrase the article and present a well constructed debate if you wish to be taken seriously por favor.

[Comrade]

What would I be debating, exactly, and since when does anyone here take seriously anything that disagrees with them?

Saddam had 1.7 metric tons of enriched uranium, and the conspiracy theories are full of crap and the charge that Saddam was not a threat equally so. Nicely paraphrased?

[Section 8]

Also, your link doesn't even exist. I find this a problem.

[Comrade]

hmm...strange

Politics - U.S. Newswire Press Releases U.S. Removes Iraqi Nuclear and Radiological Materials; Joint Operation Conducted with U.S. Departments of Energy and Defense Tue Jul 6, 1:23 PM ET To: National Desk, Energy Reporter Contact: Bryan Wilkes of NNSA, 202-586-7371; Major Sandra Burr of the Department of Defense (news - web sites), 703-697-5133; Jeanne Lopatto of the U.S. Department of Energy (news - web sites), 202-586-4940 WASHINGTON, July 6 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham (news - web sites) announced today that the Department of Energy (DOE) and the Department of Defense (DOD) have completed a joint operation to secure and remove from Iraq (news - web sites) radiological and nuclear materials that could potentially be used in a radiological dispersal device or diverted to support a nuclear weapons program. "This operation was a major achievement for the Bush Administration's goal to keep potentially dangerous nuclear materials out of the hands of terrorists," Secretary Abraham said. "It also puts this material out of reach for countries that may seek to develop their own nuclear weapons." Twenty experts from DOE's national laboratory complex packaged 1.77 metric tons of low-enriched uranium and roughly 1000 highly radioactive sources from the former Iraq nuclear research facility. The DOD airlifted the material to the United States on June 23 and provided security, coordination, planning, ground transportation, and funding for the mission. Due to safety and security issues surrounding the removed materials, the U.S., consistent with its authorities and relevant United Nations (news - web sites) Security Council Resolutions, took possession of, and removed the materials to ensure the safety and security of the Iraqi people. DOE also repackaged less sensitive materials that will remain in Iraq. Radiological sources that continue to serve useful medical, agricultural or industrial purposes were not removed from Iraq. The low enriched uranium will be stored temporarily at a secure DOE facility and the radiological sources will initially be brought to a DOE laboratory for further characterization and disposition. The International Atomic Energy Agency was advised in advance of the U.S. intentions to remove the nuclear materials. Iraqi officials were briefed about the removal of the materials and sources prior to evacuation. The nuclear research complex, now under the responsibility of the Iraq Ministry of Science and Technology, was once a central institution for Iraq's nuclear weapons program before being dismantled in the early 1990s, following the first Gulf War (news - web sites). The complex was also the consolidation point for highly radioactive sources collected by the Department of Defense with assistance by employees of the Ministry of Science and Technology within Iraq over the last year. http://www.usnewswire.com/

Since the link doesnt work.

[bishop]

yeah.. and with all the searching i did, i couldn't find a single source echoing that broken link.

i did, however, find that italian estimates in '93 pegged saddam's uranium stockpile at 1.7 tons..

http://www.iraqwatch.org/suppliers/update.htm

[Comrade]

http://news.yahoo.com/news?
tmpl=story&u=/usnw/20040706/pl_usnw/
u_s__removes_iraqi_nuclear_and_radiological_materials
__joint_operation_conducted_with_u_s__departments
_of_energy_and_defense145

Thats the link. Try cut pasting it into your address bar.
Ugh, I've been called a liar by two people so far. Sometimes I wonder why I bother with this forum.

[bishop]

that one doesn't work either.

you aren't being called a liar - people are skeptical, and rightly so.


and from what i've seen, this 1.7 ton number has been kicked around for years now.. we'll see what the headlines read tomorrow.

[Comrade]

And apparantly, bishop, you didn't look hard enough.

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease....id=145-07062004

[bishop]

was there any interaction with the UN to assure everyone that this was all legit?

[Comrade]

Since when is the UN the avatar of legitimacy?

[bishop]

could ask the same about the bush administration.

[Comrade]

Yeah you COULD, but so far all I've heard is conspiracy theories.

Why do you not want to admit that Saddam Hussein was a threat? Do you hate Bush so much you only believe the things that are said against him?

[Young]

1.7 metric tons, isn't that much...Bush made out like he had 100's of truckfulls, and lil remote planes to carry them over head with...if saddam had anything he'd of fought back instead of ending up in a hole, or his son's would of atleast used it to spare their lives...what was found may be a plant, foxnews would be running it 24/7 if it were valid, but thats just spin...spin bought and paid for by evil corporations that Bush is giving tax breaks to.





Young

[bishop]

Yeah you COULD, but so far all I've heard is conspiracy theories.

same could be said for the bush administration on everything from al qaeda + saddam to wmd...

Why do you not want to admit that Saddam Hussein was a threat? Do you hate Bush so much you only believe the things that are said against him?

i don't "hate bush so much" - you shouldn't instantly assume that someone who's anti-bush hates bush... i believed him once, and i was duped - so i don't trust him whatsoever. he lost the benefit of doubt when he sent us to war when we faced no imminent threat and where the inspectors were doing their job. i don't instantly believe the things said against bush - i am instantly distrustful towards everything bush and friends say. imo, with extremely legitimate reason.


like i said, i'll wait till this becomes a bigger story and my questions are answered. if they proceed with this in a non-transparent manner, i will continue to withhold my trust. after all, they did want saddam to disarm in a completely transparent manner. what's good for the goose is good for the gander...

[Comrade]

Originally posted by Young, 1.7 metric tons, isn't that much...Bush made out like he had 100's of truckfulls, and lil remote planes to carry them over head with...if saddam had anything he'd of fought back instead of ending up in a hole, or his son's would of atleast used it to spare their lives...what was found may be a plant, foxnews would be running it 24/7 if it were valid, but thats just spin...spin bought and paid for by evil corporations that Bush is giving tax breaks to. Young

And here is what I knew was coming.

1.7 tons of radioactive material ISNT DANGEROUS? Just like a dozen sarin warheads were somehow not dangerous either? You complaing about RIGHTIST spin, what a hypocrite.
And of course we could excuse this nuclear material, because you got the impression that he had truckfulls.
And of course, you finish with that being a lie, a conspiracy, that Saddam didn't have anything dangerous to give to terrorists, and that he didn't have contacts with terrorists even if he did, so we can all hate Bush and call him a liar and pat ourselves on the back for figuring out his plots and machinations.


Bishop, so you are saying you dont hate Bush, you just have all the qualities of instant distrust and disbelief and all that stuff which would comprise a hate of Bush? :rolleyes:

[Section 8]

Jesus guys, this topic is degenerating pretty damn fast. We have one-liners, ad hominem attacks, and there is only one source cited in two pages.

[Comrade]

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/intro/uranium.htm

Uranium enriched above the natural U-235 abundance but to less than 20 percent is called low-enriched (LEU).

For anyone wondering what "low enriched uranium is."
It means that this has been processed SOMEWHERE.

Didn't the UNSC resolution include a ban ALL materials? Even for UN lovers, this can't be ignored.


Section 8- Thanks for that informative post. :rolleyes:
It happens in any topic that doesn't immediately state that Bush is a nazi liar and that we live in a police state.

[PatrickHenry]

[Section 8]

Nobody listens. Comrade gave a source (although he did commit ad hominem) and the rest of you gave no sources and corrupt the topic. I'm going to consolidate all Comrade's sources and edit out his sarcasm. The rest is going to the butterface.

[Young]

Comrade here is where you find out that Volconvo is HEATED DEBATE!


1.7 metric tons of not even weaponized waste that came from a failed iraqi attempt at running a power plant...is about a big a joke as Bush doing a comedy routine where He shows slides of himslef in the Oval office trying to find the WMD..in his oval office and thinking that this was so funny that he showed three different slides with different wording, http://www.messenger-inquirer.com/news/war/6995855.htm

What would make you want to attack me more than if i tried to harm a member of your family? what if you could make money while you got rid of me and killed my sons as revenge?

Are you a child? Do you think of reality as being more like a movie? People are people, especially uneducated people or people who don't think that the rules apply to them...what i speak of above is true, and it's enough reason for you to go to war, but it doesn't make it right for the people who have to fight the war, or the people who have to pay for the war. ad hominenunener gives a crap.....really seriously, every man has the right to speak and every man has a vote and your education level might not be the same...but some people have far better memory skills and the fact that each of their votes can cancel yours out means you have to speak the truth until everyone is onboard or understands even if you hate having to talk down to people because some people need it and can't rationalize the truth alone because they only have limited sources for their info and that has been tainted by evil men who use money to gain power and use power to gain more money so they can remain able to buy power. Otherwise You'd look like an idiot to take such a low paying job, unless you had a plan to make money through illegal means or you really care about the people...Bush obviously doesn't care...and he can't even fake it. They got 1.7 tons of money in saudi arabia that says Bush can talk you into attacking iraq...even though 15 of the 19 men that killed 3000 Americans were funded by Saudi prince's money, then they can raise Gas prices while we're spending 235 Billion in Iraq, while Bush oppses any Investigation, when his inaction allowed 9/11 to take place...are they paying you to promote such anti american theme'd TRASH...or are you some kind russian mafia... America hating Punk? You better THINK and then choose option 3, which is that you were just temporarily confused....because anything else is Treasonist.




Young