Do UFO's exist?

[Walrus]

Nearby to where I live there is a gentleman who ventures out in the evening to explore the night skies for UFO’s. His definition of a UFO appears to be some form of extraterrestrial visitation. He is out in his back garden many nights of the year and frequently observes this phenomenon. There is many a time he has seen these alien spacecraft, he contributes to magazines and periodicals on the subject where he is considered to be something of an authoritative figure.

A mile away from where he lives is the observatory of the local astronomical society, amateur astronomers gather up there with binoculars and telescopes. I go up there sometimes and have asked them about UFO’s ... apparently they have seen nothing.

[Muckraker]

As a previous poster stated, I find it highly suspect that as our ability to detect and record unexplained phenomena has increased, the reported instances of unexplained phenomena have drastically decreased.

After watching some of the footage from the new "Planet Earth" series in high definition I have come to the conclusion that anything we do not have a clear and visible record of either doesn't exist or hasn't been back/around in the last 20 or so years.

If scientists are able to get high definition, night-vision, footage of the mating habits of a subterranean creature the size of your thumbnail in a time-lapse collage that collapses six months into six minutes then I feel it is reasonable to say that "Big Foot" is a myth.

No "psychic" was ever able to meet Harry Houdini's open challenge to psychics. No "ghost" was ever captured by sophisticated imaging technology. No "UFO" has been observed with said technology. No corpse of a "Big Foot" or a "Nessie" was ever found in the woods or washed up on a rocky shore, let alone a quality photo snapped with a 12 megapixel camera in daylight.

All of these things make interesting (yet horribly cliche) stories though. As long as advertisers pay for spots during "Ghost Hunters" and movies about the Bermuda Triangle make money at the box office we will continue to have these myths lurking in the recesses of our collective mind.

[Dr.Vendetta]

First of all, there was at least 7 responses in this thread that said the same thing about defining what a UFO is. We get it already. I'm pretty sure the person who started this thread was talking about extraterrestrials.

There is no solid proof for whether or not Aliens exist/have been on earth. Sometimes I cant help but think that I have heard the classic "its just a weather balloon" a few to many times. I seriously doubt we are the only lifeforms in the universe (I didn't say they had to be intelligent). But then again, I think the laws of physics are pretty solid, and there would have to be a very advanced civilization in existence in order to get here from other galaxies.

And you just have to ignore all those people who say they have been probed. They just have a mental problem.

[lsbskins1]

Maybe.

[Rainbow]

Some of you, accept pseudo-scientific explanations instead of reality.
Silly of me, I have posted my encounters with UFO, on/within the Volcanvo forum, Ever.

P.S.
To Mods :
- is it technically possible to remove my posts concerning my encounters with UFO, please ?

[Charlatan]

For UFO's to exist there must be life out there. Seeing as how it is in our universe, they must fall under the same set of laws for life, namely that there is water on that planet. What makes water? Well that means that there must be a temperature the same as our, so that planet needs to be the same distance from a sun as our's is, as you won't find water anywhere else, as the temperature is just right for water here. Things grow in the water, then come out onto land, or maybe stay in the water, but they must have come out of the water to develop fire, as fire won't be able to be lit in water, so that means that the air out there needs to be the same as ours, with lots of oxygen. That means they need an ozone layer too, so what are the chances of another planet being the same as ours, in position and all that?

How does a ozone layer form? I would guess it is where oxygen meets nitrogen, and eventually forms a harsh layer to keep the two seperate. Then oxygen collects and falls back to the earth making water, which is another prime requisite. With all that water you will find a climate that supports life, but what is the spark of life that gets things to start growing? oxygen must merge with hydrogen and eventually you will get a organism, one that has a basic simple life, starting out as a germ, so the root of life will be a germ, formed by things coming from the ozone layer and falling into the water, where they have got a tough time surviving, but let's say they survive.

Then they grow and mutate, or evolve, into something else. This thing comes onto land and makes fire, and needs an opposable finger to grasp things and make tools, and slowly they evolve and get bigger ideas. Now for them to build space craft they need to develop electrcity and other things, and there ozone layer, being the same as ours, must be penerated by these craft.

They might even have a way of finding other life out there, with sensors, and that means that they need to be clever, like us, or more so. They may have ways of developing subconscious to a higher degree with their children, and that would make them find answers quickly, to the problems that face them.

Ufo's need a fuel, so the planet will need to have these. This could be the turning point, as some fuels may be more powerful than ours, depending on the sediment in the land. Now can they develop light speed? Light speed I would guess is protecting the craft from the burning heat that it would feel in going so fast. Now if it cannot be done - protecting from light speed, which would melt nearly anything - they would take a hell of a long time to get here, so where do they get 'food' from for the trip? Being like us they would need expriring foods, unless frozen, so that means that they will need a really big craft and refrigeration that keeps the food fresh. Not too big a problem, but I am still phased by the light speed, which would go to fast for all molecules to remain intact. Gravity needs to built into the light speed too, as all organisms need to be held together while going so fast. That means really durable and heat resistant fabrics, maybe a metal not found here.

Now even if they were made out of rock or cement they wouldn't be able to go so fast, as meteors deteriorate as they go so fast through the air don't they? So what material could go as light speed? When melting metals, they are made into manageable stuff, but that means they can be made into shapes like the craft, so how can they go light speed without deteriorating again?

So the requisites, by my reasoning, are very rare conditions for life, and something that I don't understand for the craft, or having a really big craft for all the supplies. I guess I don't believe in UFO sightings then.

[Dr.Vendetta]

Quote by: Charlatan For UFO's to exist there must be life out there. Seeing as how it is in our universe, they must fall under the same set of laws for life, namely that there is water on that planet. What makes water? Well that means that there must be a temperature the same as our, so that planet needs to be the same distance from a sun as our's is, as you won't find water anywhere else, as the temperature is just right for water here. Things grow in the water, then come out onto land, or maybe stay in the water, but they must have come out of the water to develop fire, as fire won't be able to be lit in water, so that means that the air out there needs to be the same as ours, with lots of oxygen. That means they need an ozone layer too, so what are the chances of another planet being the same as ours, in position and all that? How does a ozone layer form? I would guess it is where oxygen meets nitrogen, and eventually forms a harsh layer to keep the two seperate. Then oxygen collects and falls back to the earth making water, which is another prime requisite. With all that water you will find a climate that supports life, but what is the spark of life that gets things to start growing? oxygen must merge with hydrogen and eventually you will get a organism, one that has a basic simple life, starting out as a germ, so the root of life will be a germ, formed by things coming from the ozone layer and falling into the water, where they have got a tough time surviving, but let's say they survive. Then they grow and mutate, or evolve, into something else. This thing comes onto land and makes fire, and needs an opposable finger to grasp things and make tools, and slowly they evolve and get bigger ideas. Now for them to build space craft they need to develop electrcity and other things, and there ozone layer, being the same as ours, must be penerated by these craft. They might even have a way of finding other life out there, with sensors, and that means that they need to be clever, like us, or more so. They may have ways of developing subconscious to a higher degree with their children, and that would make them find answers quickly, to the problems that face them. Ufo's need a fuel, so the planet will need to have these. This could be the turning point, as some fuels may be more powerful than ours, depending on the sediment in the land. Now can they develop light speed? Light speed I would guess is protecting the craft from the burning heat that it would feel in going so fast. Now if it cannot be done - protecting from light speed, which would melt nearly anything - they would take a hell of a long time to get here, so where do they get 'food' from for the trip? Being like us they would need expriring foods, unless frozen, so that means that they will need a really big craft and refrigeration that keeps the food fresh. Not too big a problem, but I am still phased by the light speed, which would go to fast for all molecules to remain intact. Gravity needs to built into the light speed too, as all organisms need to be held together while going so fast. That means really durable and heat resistant fabrics, maybe a metal not found here. Now even if they were made out of rock or cement they wouldn't be able to go so fast, as meteors deteriorate as they go so fast through the air don't they? So what material could go as light speed? When melting metals, they are made into manageable stuff, but that means they can be made into shapes like the craft, so how can they go light speed without deteriorating again? So the requisites, by my reasoning, are very rare conditions for life, and something that I don't understand for the craft, or having a really big craft for all the supplies. I guess I don't believe in UFO sightings then.

This is all well and good, but is it so impossible to believe that another life form can exist, without having to live in the same way we do? Its also hard for me to believe that in all the vastness of the universe, the "human formula" for life only happened once. But I do agree that the chances of them being able to travel across the universe are very slim. I don't think there have ever been any credible UFOs in the E.T. sense.

[Ken Carman]

Quote by: LtMisha Time to answer the question, do they? Are there any CIA officials out there with any info? Are there any UFO nuts out there? Do they really-- (Cuts off as CIA officer syringes LtMisha and takes him to secret facility.)

Of course UFOs exist. The bruhaha over Kuncinich's comment a while back only proves how ignorant some people are. "U": as in "unidentified," "F," as in "flying," and "O," as in "object." People see them every day as in, "Hmm, wonder what that was." Doesn't mean it's little green creatures.

Now, have aliens visited? As of now, unproven. I tend to think, "Yes, but not very much; if at all, and maybe not while we've been around." I understand, as we currently view the speed of light: unless it's a generation ship... impossible. But what we of as scientifically absolute may not be as absolute as we think. Scientifically? No, if we are to judge only from what we think we know now: no, they haven't. I respect that view.

Given that rather major problem,, other than that, to expect out of that vast, unimaginable, universe out there that... if possible, some beings never advanced to that level and never visited is probably somewhat unlikely. So my guess would be... once or twice at best. Usually beings probably snuff themselves out, or some natural occuring event does, before they rise that high on the technological level.

[Rainbow]

Quote by: Charlatan For UFO's to exist there must be life out there. Seeing as how it is in our universe, they must fall under the same set of laws for life, namely that there is water on that planet.

Which water do you mean :
- "Poland Spring"
- "Deer Park", distilled water
? :-)

[LtMisha]

Quote by: Jamesmckinnley UFOs exist, in fact I saw one recently carrying god, buddha, and allah all to the same place. (A hell party to get down without letting anyone else know!)

Are you humouring me?

[LtMisha]

Well, the worst argument that I've ever heard angainst Aliens is as follows;

"They just...can't. They just don't."
Joshua Davies, a few weeks ago.

And this I found amusing:

"The only life forms outside of Earth are trees and germs. It is not possible for anything but Humans to have evolved to intelligence."
Joshua Davies.

And this guy is pretty clever, yet these are his arguments angainst Aliens.