Do UFO's exist?

[Nemiroff]

i didn't read this entire thread because ufos mean anything unidentified, and although i do believe aliens are out there, i dont believe they have visited us, speicies from my experience tend to either enslave or befriend, noone just gives shit out and runs away. but it is true that you investigate to FIND evidence. once you have evidence, you have proof.

[Cephus]

Sure UFOs exist.

U = Unidentified
F = Flying
O = Object

Hey look, there's something in the sky and I don't know what it is! It's a UFO!

Now are you talking about alien spaceships because at that point, you've identified them and you need to provide actual evidence.

[ChinUp]

Quote by: Cephus Sure UFOs exist. U = Unidentified F = Flying O = Object Hey look, there's something in the sky and I don't know what it is! It's a UFO! Now are you talking about alien spaceships because at that point, you've identified them and you need to provide actual evidence.

Well said .

Seems to me that its arrogant to presume we are the only sentient life in the cosmos & even more arrogant to presume our planet is the only example of life in th cosmos .

Something worth bearing in mind is that any contact in the form of space explorers will more than likely be in the form of automated machines, after all its more intelligent to automate space evaporation than throw away lives on the unlimited time scale space exploration requires .

[Century 25]

Quote by: simple simon why not ? ..... and please for the love of whomever it is the kids pray to these days dont give me the tired old response along the lines of .... we cant do it so it cant be done

Why not..? First, I'll start by saying we can cross interstellar space. The problem.. BIG problem is.. the time required to do so. The laws of physics can't be changed.

If a spacecraft could be constructed to reach 10% of light-speed.. then remember, it must also carry the means to reverse all of that speed/energy before arriving at the desired destination. If you just look into the requirements a bit, you will see the fallacy of the "UFO" excitement. The amount of "fuel" - say, a matter/anti-matter reactive propulsion drive.. no way. Even in the wildest imaginations.

Even if a civilization did squander it's utmost resources & manage to know in advance of a world willing to receive them, do you think they would flit around.. playing hide & seek with their prospective "hosts" ??



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[simple simon]

Quote by: Century 25 Why not..? First, I'll start by saying we can cross interstellar space. The problem.. BIG problem is.. the time required to do so. The laws of physics can't be changed. If a spacecraft could be constructed to reach 10% of light-speed.. then remember, it must also carry the means to reverse all of that speed/energy before arriving at the desired destination. If you just look into the requirements a bit, you will see the fallacy of the "UFO" excitement. The amount of "fuel" - say, a matter/anti-matter reactive propulsion drive.. no way. Even in the wildest imaginations. Even if a civilization did squander it's utmost resources & manage to know in advance of a world willing to receive them, do you think they would flit around.. playing hide & seek with their prospective "hosts" ??

sorry but i do see your answer as nothing more then ... 'you dont know how it can be done, so it cant be done'

and sure i think they would play hide ands seek with us ...... i think it was in the 70's when we learned this lesson (someone please correct me if my memory is a little fuzzy) .... we found a previously unknown Pygmy tribe and studied them

[sevendogs]

Of copurse, not. There is no evidence of their existence.

[simple simon]

Quote by: sevendogs Of copurse, not. There is no evidence of their existence.

sure there is ..... credible eye witness testimony

[gallo]

Quote by: Zeebadee Yeah, sure. Science always needs evidence before any new ideas are considered.

I'm glad that you understand.

The truth is that evidence comes directly from scientific investigation of new ideas. Get it??

Yes. I do. How does this apply to UFO's?

An idea is presented, science investigates it. Evidence, both for and against, is gathered.

But not actual evidence has ever been found for the extraterrestrial origin of any UFO.

To say that evidence must be presented before ideas can be investigated is totally ass backwards.

But that's what science does. So you seem pretty clear on the idea the UFO crap as extraterrestrial aliens is not science. I'm glad that we agree.

[simple simon]

Quote by: gallo But not actual evidence has ever been found for the extraterrestrial origin of any UFO.

sure there has .... you just dont want to acknowledge it

[Cephus]

Quote by: ChinUp Seems to me that its arrogant to presume we are the only sentient life in the cosmos & even more arrogant to presume our planet is the only example of life in th cosmos .

No one said we were the only sentient life in the universe, statistically there has to be more. That doesn't mean that they are HERE though. There is absolutely no evidence of that.

[gallo]

Quote by: simple simon sure there has .... you just dont want to acknowledge it

Then why isn't any ever presented?

[simple simon]

Quote by: gallo Then why isn't any ever presented?

whom is it you would like to present evidence ?

[gallo]

Quote by: simple simon whom is it you would like to present evidence ?

I see. Then you have no evidence.

[simple simon]

Quote by: gallo I see. Then you have no evidence.

i do ........ i asked the question because i didnt know if you wanted me to provide it or if you expected the government to provide it

[SoylentGreen]

Quote by: simple simon i do ........ i asked the question because i didnt know if you wanted me to provide it or if you expected the government to provide it

Ok I will bite. Present your evidence then.

[simple simon]

Quote by: SoylentGreen Ok I will bite. Present your evidence then.

by all means

ive already started a thread on the forum about UFO's buzzing commercial airliners .... those are not controlled by man .... there is no logical reason man would do that

i refer you to Occam's razor ....... as i feel this is the simplest solution

[SoylentGreen]

Quote by: simple simon by all means ive already started a thread on the forum about UFO's buzzing commercial airliners .... those are not controlled by man .... there is no logical reason man would do that i refer you to Occam's razor ....... as i feel this is the simplest solution

You are kidding, right!!!!
This is your best shot at it?
Firstly can you explain how it magically goes from being something unidentified to it being positively identified as alien in origin?

Secondly, if your going to invoke occam's razor, well lets see.
An alien civilization builds a spaceship of unknown technology only to fly across unknown millions of miles just so it can buzz an aeroplane and then disappear again.
Or a bored editor of a newspaper facing a slump in sales of his newspaper decides to fabricate a story which then the government is forced to deny thus increasing revenue for the paper in the subsequent hysteria the story creates.

[simple simon]

Quote by: SoylentGreen Or a bored editor of a newspaper facing a slump in sales of his newspaper decides to fabricate a story which then the government is forced to deny thus increasing revenue for the paper in the subsequent hysteria the story creates.

the pilots have come forward .... the stories have not been fabricated ..... try again though .. im enjoying this

[SoylentGreen]

Quote by: simple simon the pilots have come forward .... the stories have not been fabricated ..... try again though .. im enjoying this

The pilots came forward with a story. In order to prove they weren't fabricated you need to show objective evidence as apposed to someone saying they saw something they couldn't identify.

Belief that these stories are true is not proof that they are true.

[Danial]

Lol to all the people that think that UFO's dont exist and are debating it are the dumbest people on the earth.

UFO = Unidentified Flying Object

A plane could go past and you might not know what a plane is (note this is just a example) that to them would be a UFO since they didnt identify what it was. Just cause its not like an object made from another life form or something, it doesnt mean that its not a UFO