PDFA & Marijuana

[ruksak]

Here in the states we've seen these ridiculously idiotic anti-marijuana commercials for years. Depicting potheads running over little girls and all kinds of Reefer Madness style bullshit. The most recent of which equates the stupidity of smoking pot with kids attaching leeches to themselves just because everyone else is doing it. The ads cost millions of dollars, but it isn't taxpayer dollars. Then who's footing the bill for this, and why?

The Partnership For A Drug Free America.
WOW. That sounds like a noble cause, doesn't it? A group of people, a coalition dedicated to keeping America drug free.

But who are they? Who are these heroes of American sobriety?
They are a creation of an ad agency. They are also a major political contributer and a creators of disgustingly inaccurate anti-marijuana ads. One of which was forced off the air because it was so blatantly inaccurate. It depicted a student sitting at a desk studying while hooked to an EKG machine. They show the EKG, all is good, than he took a hit off a joint and the EKG goes flat-line. The ACLU had it pulled for its misleading nature.

The Partnership for a drug-free America is primarily paid for by monies pooled by Pharmaceutical companies. By Pharmaceutical companies.

The Partnership for a drug-free America's bottom line is really keeping drugs illegal that might cut into these Pharmaceutical companies bottom line.

The Partnership for a drug-free America wants to keep pot outlawed, because it might cut into their sales of Prozac, Valium, Zoloft, Vicodin, Oxycontin, if weed was legal. Yes, like marijuana these drugs all have applicable medicinal purposes, but they are often utilized specifically for abusive narcotic inebriation.

So, while The Partnership for a drug-free America might indeed be a partnership, it isn't for a drug-free America at all. Is it? Think about that for a minute. A DRUG COMPANY THAT PROMOTES A DRUG FREE AMERICA.

This goes way beyond hypocrisy. Its a big 'ol red flag that screams "WE'RE HIDING SOMETHING"!!!!

Drugs like Xanex and Oxycontin are VERY powerful drugs. Both of which actually are a very popular street narcotic. Possession of them without a prescription is a felony. BUT, multi-billion dollar corporations still make money off of the Xanex and Oxycontin that is sold on the street. Just like a kingpin, they get their cut.

When people turn toward pot as a relief for stress or whatever ills them, instead of Xanex or Oxycontin, then the kingpins lose money from their bottom line.

You HAVE TO ask yourself, why the hell would a pharmaceutical company invest millions of dollars to lobby against marijuana legalization?

Realize this. Many doctors make deals with specific pharmaceutical companies that they will prescribe only their brand. Its a transparent legal narcotics operation. With kingpins (Pharmaceutical companies), suppliers (doctors), and addicts (patients).

For the kids on Volconvo;
The next time your teacher, councilor or guest speaker comes into your school and starts preaching literature provided by The Partnership For A Drug Free America, ask them if they even know who the "partners" are. Then ask them why the hell a drug company that produces millions of addicts annually is so interested in their sobriety. The truth is, they're not. They're interested in your business.
What your teachers should care about however, is aligning themselves with multi-billion dollar drug dealers. When they utilize the PDFA's propaganda, they are enabling the most powerful narcotics machine the world has ever known. They are the quintessential wolf in sheep's clothing.

They don't want you getting high. They have sunk lots of money into research that shows indisputably that people who do not use marijuana are far far more likely to seek out "medical help" for their anxiety, stress and depression. All of which the pharmaceutical companies are happy to bill your insurance for their remedy.

In other words, if you get high, you're far less likely to be their future customers.

Partnership for a Drug-Free America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

PDFA was the subject of criticism when it was revealed that their federal tax returns showed that they had received several million dollars worth of funding from major pharmaceutical, tobacco and alcohol corporations, an issue which has been linked to the organization's lack of media discouraging the misuse of legal drugs. From 1997 it has discontinued any fiscal association with tobacco and alcohol suppliers, although it still is in receipt of donations from pharmaceutical producers.

[Gods_Mercenary]

Not a big fan of pot, but it is hilarious that drug companies want a ' drug' free america. And the fact that they produce far more dangerous drugs that are really common on the street also kills me.

[Jack]

From 1997 it has discontinued any fiscal association with tobacco and alcohol suppliers, although it still is in receipt of donations from pharmaceutical producers.

The irony is overwhelming. So they've dropped the two minor sources of potential conflicts of interest while retaining the major one. Smooth move. It's almost a shame, though. I kind of like the outrageous hypocrisy of the tobacco industry saying people shouldn't smoke...pot.
Just goes to show that appearances can be deceiving.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Isherwood The irony is overwhelming.

Man, it is so painful to see hypocricy at this level. This is the kind of thing that inspires me to talk to the TV set. ( Well, correct it anyway. )

Quote by: Isherwood Just goes to show that appearances can be deceiving.

...and propaganda a powerful tool in the hands of those that know how to use it.

[Milton Bradley]

Truth is, I see the very same message, and advertising from the Ohio Add Council as well.


Another organization Hell bent on re-engineering society to suit their needs. ( All on your dollar as well complacent citizens. )

[Milton Bradley]

What, is the government concerned that the constituency will become more apathetic, and complacent?


Irony is like oil in that one can often drill multiple rich wells in the same area.

[Scribbler1]

Apathetic, complacent, AND easily led. They come in threes with the idiot sheep, doncha know?

[ruksak]

Quote by: Scribbler1 Apathetic, complacent, AND easily led. They come in threes with the idiot sheep, doncha know?

Part of what I was trying to impress is the fact that the PDFA's materials/propaganda is often utilized in public schools. Which is an environment wherein "sheepish" behavior isn't just encouraged, its mandatory.

All three components you mentioned, Apathy-Complacency-Conformity, are staples of the more subversive aspects of public education. Children are encouraged not to rock the boat through threats of discipline. How would it be received if a student stood up and questioned a PDFA spokesman that came to their school? Asking them why they think its right for multi-billion dollar drug companies to preach against marijuana?

The reason I mention marijuana specifically in this thread is because overall, marijuana has been the PDFA's primary target ever since the "This Is Your Brain On Drugs" slogan was invented. With all the far far more dangerous drugs they could lobby against to educate children, they choose the one thats not only statistically the least harmful, but the one that has been shown to steal the largest portion of their profits.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: ruksak The reason I mention marijuana specifically in this thread is because overall, marijuana has been the PDFA's primary target ever since the "This Is Your Brain On Drugs" slogan was invented. With all the far far more dangerous drugs they could lobby against to educate children, they choose the one thats not only statistically the least harmful, but the one that has been shown to steal the largest portion of their profits.

They are trying to establish the pretext for the literal War on Marijuana on the global scale.


I can''t quote the resolution, but the UN recently drew up legilation that allows them to try to eradicate poppies, coca, and marijuana from the face of the earth.


But they're not fascist, or anything. :rolleyes:

[grandpa]

Quote by: Milton Bradley They are trying to establish the pretext for the literal War on Marijuana on the global scale. I can''t quote the resolution, but the UN recently drew up legilation that allows them to try to eradicate poppies, coca, and marijuana from the face of the earth.

Global protest can be found on this issue, but those voices are marginalized.
The drug war has allowed countries to pass draconian laws, which is worse than anything poppy or marijuana plants have done.

Grandpa h.

[Chancellor]

Quote by: ruksak Part of what I was trying to impress is the fact that the PDFA's materials/propaganda is often utilized in public schools. Which is an environment wherein "sheepish" behavior isn't just encouraged, its mandatory.

And sometimes enforced by mandated ingestation of drugs like Ritalin, Adderall, etc.

All three components you mentioned, Apathy-Complacency-Conformity, are staples of the more subversive aspects of public education. Children are encouraged not to rock the boat through threats of discipline. How would it be received if a student stood up and questioned a PDFA spokesman that came to their school? Asking them why they think its right for multi-billion dollar drug companies to preach against marijuana? The reason I mention marijuana specifically in this thread is because overall, marijuana has been the PDFA's primary target ever since the "This Is Your Brain On Drugs" slogan was invented. With all the far far more dangerous drugs they could lobby against to educate children, they choose the one thats not only statistically the least harmful, but the one that has been shown to steal the largest portion of their profits.

Next thing you know they'll be attacking caffeine - the staple ingredient in all those energy drinks the kids in schools today are drinking.

[ruksak]

America declared war on marijuana over 80 years ago. At which time they swore to commit to the eradication of a plant. At what point is it going to be acknowledged that this is a futile exercises with a very detrimental social repercussion?

Nearly a million people are put in jails annually for simple marijuana possession. Along with the incarceration comes unemployment and a myriad of other financial and social issues. Foreclosure of homes and divorces, lost custody of children. All because of a personal choice to use marijuana. A choice to smoke a plant that makes you giggle.

The PDFA used to be a conglomeration of Tobacco, alcohol and and pharmaceutical companies, until public outrage at their partnership with alcohol and tobacco caused them to be dropped from the partnership. The issue is the publics disconnect with pharmaceutical companies and what their products do to our society. People hear "pharmaceutical companies" and they think medicine. They don't think of the millions of junkies that crave their products. Or the high school student that cooks their pills in a spoon over the bathroom sink and then injects the toxic fluid into his veins.
They are every bit as crooked and manipulative as the tobacco companies, except they have the approval of the government and the educational institutions of America.

[Praxius]

Anybody here a lawyer or knows a good one?

Let's get this ball rolling and make pot legal once and for all.... screw it. We got all the facts and info, everybody keeps passing it back and forth to educate everybody..... almost everybody knows now everything they knew about pot was BS.

Why not get a few lawyers together, smoke a bit bong in a little pow wow and dish out a plan for the courts and get this all delt with?

[Jack]

Next thing you know they'll be attacking caffeine - the staple ingredient in all those energy drinks the kids in schools today are drinking.

If the voters elect Mitt Romney in '08, that's a real possibility. Mormons do not approve of caffeine.

[Chaossaber314]

Drugs like Xanex and Oxycontin are VERY powerful drugs. Both of which actually are a very popular street narcotic. Possession of them without a prescription is a felony. BUT, multi-billion dollar corporations still make money off of the Xanex and Oxycontin that is sold on the street. Just like a kingpin, they get their cut.

I'm more or less for the legalization of Marijuana but this is an extremely poor argument that you even acknowledge. Xanax, Oxycodone, etc are not sold over the counter and are unobtainable legally without a prescription. Ergo their recreational use is illegal as well.

Plus your guilt by association argument at the end is on par with the logic used in the argument that because gun makers make a profit at one point off of a gun that is illegally obtained by a gang member and used to kill a rival, that somehow the gun maker is profiting off the rival's death. Just like a kingpin they get their cut, eh?

Doesn't make much sense does it?

Point is, just because someone obtains something illegally and then uses it for illegal purposes does not make the manufacturer culpable.

[ruksak]

Quote by: ChaosSaber Point is, just because someone obtains something illegally and then uses it for illegal purposes does not make the manufacturer culpable.

Well thats not the point of this thread at all.
The point is the money and the hypocrisy. An organization that fronts as a group concerned with the sobriety of American children. Yet they sell drugs. Legally, yes, but they sell drugs nonetheless. With millions of addicts.
The point of this thread is specifically to show that they narrow the scope of their resources to maintain marijuana prohibition and increase the awareness that marijuana is destructive. Why not dump equal amounts of money to educate children of the dangers of drugs that are actually dangerous? Like cocaine, methamphetamines, LSD, ecstasy and of course PRESCRIPTION DRUGS.

I see what you're saying, Chaos. But I'm not trying to call them out as responsible for the drugs making it to the streets. I'm calling them out for their covert anti-marijuana tactics.
This thread is an explanation as to why a drug company wants to promote a drug free America. Their studies show a decisive trend, in that frequent marijuana users are far less likely to turn to their products for stress and depression. Mainly this would include Prozac, Zoloft and other anti-depressants.

The mention of their narcotic products was meant only to show the hypocrisy of their company, not their culpability in the abuse of their products.

[Chaossaber314]

Quote by: ruksak Well thats not the point of this thread at all. The point is the money and the hypocrisy. An organization that fronts as a group concerned with the sobriety of American children. Yet they sell drugs. Legally, yes, but they sell drugs nonetheless. With millions of addicts. The point of this thread is specifically to show that they narrow the scope of their resources to maintain marijuana prohibition and increase the awareness that marijuana is destructive. Why not dump equal amounts of money to educate children of the dangers of drugs that are actually dangerous? Like cocaine, methamphetamines, LSD, ecstasy and of course PRESCRIPTION DRUGS. I see what you're saying, Chaos. But I'm not trying to call them out as responsible for the drugs making it to the streets. I'm calling them out for their covert anti-marijuana tactics. This thread is an explanation as to why a drug company wants to promote a drug free America. Their studies show a decisive trend, in that frequent marijuana users are far less likely to turn to their products for stress and depression. Mainly this would include Prozac, Zoloft and other anti-depressants. The mention of their narcotic products was meant only to show the hypocrisy of their company, not their culpability in the abuse of their products.

And I'm not disagreeing that this intent is there. It's just not quite to the extent that I think you're alleging. Back when I had my elementary DARE program shoved down my throat, prescription drug abuse was included in their talks as well.

[ruksak]

Quote by: Chaossaber314 And I'm not disagreeing that this intent is there. It's just not quite to the extent that I think you're alleging. Back when I had my elementary DARE program shoved down my throat, prescription drug abuse was included in their talks as well.

D.A.R.E. is a different entity altogether. They don't have a hidden agenda like the PDFA does.

[Osborn F Enready]

ruksak said: D.A.R.E. is a different entity altogether. They don't have a hidden agenda like the PDFA does.

I have to disagree entirely.

Their agenda is one and the same as the governments. Do whatever it takes to get people to be ashamed to use drugs, not try drugs, not use drugs, think of drugs as evil.

(including lying to the people they are attempting to "educate" on drugs)

[ruksak]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready I have to disagree entirely. Their agenda is one and the same as the governments. Do whatever it takes to get people to be ashamed to use drugs, not try drugs, not use drugs, think of drugs as evil. (including lying to the people they are attempting to "educate" on drugs)

This is true. I misspoke. I only meant to say that they don't sell drugs like the PDFA does.