PDFA & Marijuana

[whicker08]

i believe that the only reason pot in still illegal is the govt gets more money from sending ppl to drug classes and probation and shit then they would if they would market it.

[grandpa]

Quote by: whicker08 i believe that the only reason pot in still illegal is the govt gets more money from sending ppl to drug classes and probation and shit then they would if they would market it.

They have no other basis for making illegal a plant that grows naturally on the earth. It's absurd.

Grandpa h.

[kubedawg]

With so many people lobbying against tobacco companies, it's no surprise to me that they haven't legalized pot yet. But, once it is legalized, I forsee the tobacco industry quickly turning into the marijuana industry. Mass amounts of ganja will be available to the public and noone will be able to stop us from giggling anymore...

[Praxius]

Hey at least the damn world would be too lazy and hungry to blow each other up.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Praxius Hey at least the damn world would be too lazy and hungry to blow each other up.

Bill Hicks, one of my favorite comedians, has talked about that angle, and it actually makes some sense. However, one of the main reasons pot is illegal is the politicians who felt it was a part of "minority" group infiltration into wholesome, white American society.

Grandpa h.

[Praxius]

Oh indeed, that and it's just to easy to grow for yourself, that it'd be impossible for them to properly control it like alcohol and get much money from it.

But any money coming in from legalization, is better then spending it on laws and officers fighting a never ending fight.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Praxius Oh indeed, that and it's just to easy to grow for yourself, that it'd be impossible for them to properly control it like alcohol and get much money from it. But any money coming in from legalization, is better then spending it on laws and officers fighting a never ending fight.

Eh, I don't know that that is a valid point as you can brew your own alchohol as well, and that does little to affect the overall legislation pertaining to alchohol.

[triad]

Ah fack it, the government will never legalize pot because the propoganda towards it has already done it's job. The majority of North Americans believe pot is evil, that it is the first step for people to try crack or acid and makes them into the scum of the earth. Anyone who is a parent these days has to tell their kids "pot is bad" while they are growing up... there is no way to reverse this. Pot is a drug. "Drugs are bad", OH SHIT! DRUGS ARE GOING TO BREAK INTO YOUR HOUSE AND RAPE YOUR KIDS!


No. Not all drugs are bad, the people that use them are bad. Cocaine is definitely bad, pot - not so much. Its cheaper, and its affects are nothing compared. Sooo why is pot illegal? Because, upper-class (the people that run the world) say so. We gotta take it bent over, and we can't change it. And in the highly unlikely event that pot does become legalized, guess who is going to reap in the profits? Upper-class. Until they can gaurantee it, they will continue to run their "If you smoke pot, you will kill babies" ads and there is nothing we can do.:rolleyes:

[Praxius]

Quote by: Milton Bradley Eh, I don't know that that is a valid point as you can brew your own alchohol as well, and that does little to affect the overall legislation pertaining to alchohol.

True, but the taxing on the products you buy for those kits remains the same, and brewing your own alcohol requires a lot more to it then a pot of dirt, some seeds, sun and water.

My father brews his own beer, stout, wine, etc.... and he used to have his own grapes for his wine, but for the most part, you still require to buy some of the product in order to make it decently.

With weed... just take some seeds off one of the plants you currently have an keep the cycle going.

[Praxius]

Quote by: triad Ah fack it, the government will never legalize pot because the propoganda towards it has already done it's job. The majority of North Americans believe pot is evil, that it is the first step for people to try crack or acid and makes them into the scum of the earth. Anyone who is a parent these days has to tell their kids "pot is bad" while they are growing up... there is no way to reverse this. Pot is a drug. "Drugs are bad", OH SHIT! DRUGS ARE GOING TO BREAK INTO YOUR HOUSE AND RAPE YOUR KIDS! No. Not all drugs are bad, the people that use them are bad. Cocaine is definitely bad, pot - not so much. Its cheaper, and its affects are nothing compared. Sooo why is pot illegal? Because, upper-class (the people that run the world) say so. We gotta take it bent over, and we can't change it. And in the highly unlikely event that pot does become legalized, guess who is going to reap in the profits? Upper-class. Until they can gaurantee it, they will continue to run their "If you smoke pot, you will kill babies" ads and there is nothing we can do.:rolleyes:

Sure there is. Hold a confrence with all the government officials invited to discuse the issue on the legality of marijuana and the effects on society.... and for the snack table, lace everything with weed, like baked brownies or muffins.

Get them all body stoned and giggly and allow them to feel the effects and side effects first hand and then they can compare it to many legal drugs like Caffine, Nicotine, Alcohol, etc.

You seen a couple of months ago that Canada is the #1 industrialized 1st world nation that smokes the most pot, even over other countries which have it legalized? If anybody else is gonna take the next step first, it'll be Canada.

Decriminalization already took place until idiots in the US scared Canadian officials with tougher borders and more checks..... heck... since 9/11 what's to worry about then? I don't think the borders can get much worse for restrictions as they are now..... who cares what the US thinks anymore? Let's get our political officials off their arses and get them to do something right for once.

While we're at it... why not get the Marijuana Party Leader back from US custody and back into our borders where he should be? That situation in itself is a joke and a half..... the more he stays in US custody, the more his cause gets stronger and more back him up.

[kubedawg]

Quote by: Praxius True, but the taxing on the products you buy for those kits remains the same, and brewing your own alcohol requires a lot more to it then a pot of dirt, some seeds, sun and water. My father brews his own beer, stout, wine, etc.... and he used to have his own grapes for his wine, but for the most part, you still require to buy some of the product in order to make it decently. With weed... just take some seeds off one of the plants you currently have an keep the cycle going.

Brewing alcohol and growing marijuana both have to be done properly in order to have a successful outcome... It's not just sunlight water and dirt, you have to keep a really good eye on it, and constantly make little changes to make sure it doesn't die.

[Praxius]

Quote by: kubedawg Brewing alcohol and growing marijuana both have to be done properly in order to have a successful outcome... It's not just sunlight water and dirt, you have to keep a really good eye on it, and constantly make little changes to make sure it doesn't die.

Well yes just like any plant.... but how well you take care of it, all depends on the quality you want.... you can just grow a crappy plant with just the basics and still get a buzz.

[kubedawg]

There's a huge difference from getting buzzed and getting outright stoned. Same thing with drinking. The more you drink, say beer for example, the more you get buzzed, and eventually get drunk. But, say other liquers such as tequila or bacardi 151, you get drunk faster, because analogic to weed, harder liquers get your drunk faster, just like different types of weed get you more stoned.

The only difference is the amount. You can get some really good quality marijuana seeds and get stoned with just a small amount of it, and in that sense, it's different than alcohol, because alcohol is proofed..

[Osborn F Enready]

I have smoked some good weed, but I have yet to find a buzz from weed that can't be shaken off in an emergency situation.

[ruksak]

Quote by: Osborn I have smoked some good weed, but I have yet to find a buzz from weed that can't be shaken off in an emergency situation.

I'm not sure why that is. Maybe the heightened sense of awareness and paranoia that comes with pot smoking. Different then alcohol intoxication, one can actually realize that there is an emergency.

Quote by: kubedawg The only difference is the amount. You can get some really good quality marijuana seeds and get stoned with just a small amount of it, and in that sense, it's different than alcohol, because alcohol is proofed.

I don't drink anymore. Haven't for years. When I was younger the thing I hated most about drinking to get drunk was the fact that once you're drunk, you're drunk until you get some sleep. It doesn't just go away, like pot. It hangs with you like a poison.

Quote by: kubedawg Brewing alcohol and growing marijuana both have to be done properly in order to have a successful outcome... It's not just sunlight water and dirt, you have to keep a really good eye on it, and constantly make little changes to make sure it doesn't die.

Agreed. You can just take a shop light and some crappy Mexican dirt weed seeds and grow some plants. They may even look really good when they start to flower. However their potency will usually be so disappointing that the trouble you went through to grow them will seem a waste.

I made this mistake about 15 years ago when I lived in my bachelor pad. I had one plant in-particular that looked great. Huge colas the diameter of a pop can. Bright unmistakable purple hew to the flowers. It looked so good. When dried and smoked, the buds had a pungent taste of soured milk and no noticeable buzz whatsoever.

[another day]

Quote by: triad Ah fack it, the government will never legalize pot because the propoganda towards it has already done it's job. The majority of North Americans believe pot is evil, that it is the first step for people to try crack or acid and makes them into the scum of the earth. Anyone who is a parent these days has to tell their kids "pot is bad" while they are growing up... there is no way to reverse this. Pot is a drug. "Drugs are bad", OH SHIT! DRUGS ARE GOING TO BREAK INTO YOUR HOUSE AND RAPE YOUR KIDS! No. Not all drugs are bad, the people that use them are bad. Cocaine is definitely bad, pot - not so much. Its cheaper, and its affects are nothing compared. Sooo why is pot illegal? Because, upper-class (the people that run the world) say so. We gotta take it bent over, and we can't change it. And in the highly unlikely event that pot does become legalized, guess who is going to reap in the profits? Upper-class. Until they can gaurantee it, they will continue to run their "If you smoke pot, you will kill babies" ads and there is nothing we can do.:rolleyes:

Funny that you exhibit the exact same ignorance of other drugs as you deride others for having towards marijuana. Sure marijuana is much safer and soulful then coke, but to automatically write it off as "bad" is doing the same thing as others do to marijuana. People can do a couple lines of coke at a party, have a good time, and be done with it.

There is no such thing as a bad drug, only bad use of that drug. Shit, Willy Burroughs was a heroin addict for 50 years and he lived to be 82, and left behind a legacy of written work that is still talked about today. And yet there are many heroin addicts who die at 20 in a box in an alley. It's the person, not the drug. And education is key, not ignorance.

[triad]

Quote by: another day Funny that you exhibit the exact same ignorance of other drugs as you deride others for having towards marijuana. Sure marijuana is much safer and soulful then coke, but to automatically write it off as "bad" is doing the same thing as others do to marijuana. People can do a couple lines of coke at a party, have a good time, and be done with it.

If you do a "couple lines of coke" the chances of getting severely addicted are much higher than if you smoke a joint. Coke controls people to the death bed, weed doesn't even compare.

There is no such thing as a bad drug, only bad use of that drug. Shit, Willy Burroughs was a heroin addict for 50 years and he lived to be 82, and left behind a legacy of written work that is still talked about today. And yet there are many heroin addicts who die at 20 in a box in an alley. It's the person, not the drug. And education is key, not ignorance.

I am a Bill Hicks fan. I don't think drugs are "bad", just some have more compelling addicitive - features, that can suck people in and destroy their lives easily. Other drugs are utterly harmless and their addictive capabilities are nil. I think the highly addicitve personality/appearance changing drugs are more "bad" in a way that the user doesn't usually have control but the drug controls them.

[Nemiroff]

Marijuana isn't less adictive then other drugs. Its not adictive at all. I'm about to get yelled at by both sides but give me a chance.

Psychological addiction is what they call it and that is just an evil sounding title for "people like this".

I know its hard to stop but its not a physical need its a mental WANT.try not watching TV or any of your favorite activities. Stoping heroin seems more like stoping eating or breathing or anything we NEED.

Also growing high quality pot requires a 100 dollar water system and some careful watching. I've never made alcohol. But there are stories all over news, media, movies, etc telling of how basements exploding while making alcohol. I doubt the difficulty in making the two products are equal.

And even pot grown in dirt in a sunny place will grow potent if the grower doesn't go cheap on the fertilizer and gives it plenty of water.

[ruksak]

Quote by: Nemiroff And even pot grown in dirt in a sunny place will grow potent if the grower doesn't go cheap on the fertilizer and gives it plenty of water.

Nah man. Weak strains are weak strains, and all the miracle grow in the world won't make it potent. A strong Indica or Sativa strain will grow potent with no fertilizer and just a patch of dirt. Nitrogen only helps with vegative growth i.e. stems and leaves.

However, take that same Indica or Sativa and introduce it to a 24 hour continuos vegative High Pressure Sodium light cycle and a hydroponic feeding system, and you got mind twisting potency.

[Nemiroff]

Marijuana isn't less adictive then other drugs. Its not adictive at all. I'm about to get yelled at by both sides but give me a chance.

Psychological addiction is what they call it and that is just an evil sounding title for "people like this".

I know its hard to stop but its not a physical need its a mental WANT.try not watching TV or any of your favorite activities. Stoping heroin seems more like stoping eating or breathing or anything we NEED.

Also growing high quality pot requires a 100 dollar water system and some careful watching. I've never made alcohol. But there are stories all over news, media, movies, etc telling of how basements exploding while making alcohol. I doubt the difficulty in making the two products are equal.

And even pot grown in dirt in a sunny place will grow potent if the grower doesn't go cheap on the fertilizer and gives it plenty of water.