The Potiential of Canada being Invaded by the US:

[notworthabean]

Ok I'll leave out the obvious absurdities of the US and Canada going to war in the distant future, no less anytime soon.
I'll focus instead on the probelms we'd face

1)most of canada's population lives within 100 miles of the US border, in climate conditions no much worse then parts of the northern states.Thus we would not have that problem

2) Canada has a much smaller population then the US

3) Canada has a far inferior military with no easy access to allies.

so yea we'd win if we were to invade...but I don't see that hapening

[Kamehameha34]

Quote by: Chaossaber314 When they're defining simularities they do.

Correct. You've not established why "non government entity" is anything of the sort.

[Praxius]

Quote by: notworthabean 1)most of canada's population lives within 100 miles of the US border, in climate conditions no much worse then parts of the northern states.Thus we would not have that problem.

It's good for slowing down an offense into the country, which may explain why our settlements in our country span across the border since we've been invaded in the past.

Plus having plenty of land mass to fall back on, which delves into a much colder climate the further you go, with sparatic villages, towns outposts, and bases as you go, would echo a similar battle as the Germans vs. Soviets..... but whether anybody learns from past history will remain to be seen.

2) Canada has a much smaller population then the US

US Population: 301,139,947 (July 2007 est.)

Canadian Population: 33,390,141 (July 2007 est.)

Iraqi Population: 27,499,638 (July 2007 est.)

Iraq has less people and much more cruder technology then us, and you guys are having plenty of issues with them..... I don't feel the numbers really matter when it comes to population and a war.

3) Canada has a far inferior military with no easy access to allies.

We have a much easier access to our allies then your country does, along with many potiential sympathizer countries we have assisted in the past without request of some kind of payback.

As it goes for our Military being inferior?

Isn't Canada the country in Afghanistan who's fought the majority of Taliban since NATO landed there?

Were we not the ones who lead Operation Medussa and Operation Baaz Tuska, which both accomplished their objectives?

Were we not the ones who contributed the 3rd largest number of Military forces to NATO?

Has Canada not just added an additional 15 billion to military spending over the next 5 or so years?

Isn't Canada spending an additional pile of money just on arctic defense alone?

Doesn't Canada use the German Leopord 2 Tanks, which are superior to the M1A2 you guys use?

in fact.... here:

The Canadian Army - Equipment

Feel free to view what we use.... you may notice our equipment is for the most part @ par with your own.

[Chancellor]

Quote by: Kamehameha34 Same as with the alleged 9/11 attacks..

You know perfectly well what I'm saying, misrepresenting me just gets me to repeat myself.

If one side commits an act of war while the other side has not declared war, then I see it as terrorism.[/quote]But it isn't the same. The difference is that Japan is a nation state while Al Qaeda is not and is not fighting a revolution to become one. As for what you are "saying," I can only go by what you actually post. I expect people to mean what they write just as I expect others to take what I post to mean exactly what I wrote.

Are you implying that all acts of wars aren't justified?

I don't imply - ever.

No, there is always actual cause. I didn't say it was justified.

Well, no, sometimes the cause is really only a perception of the person who uses it as the justification for his actions.

The context of the word "cause", in this case, is removed from all legal pretexts.

I was taking the word at face value.

[HelioPrime]

Quote by: Praxius It's good for slowing down an offense into the country, which may explain why our settlements in our country span across the border since we've been invaded in the past. Plus having plenty of land mass to fall back on, which delves into a much colder climate the further you go, with sparatic villages, towns outposts, and bases as you go, would echo a similar battle as the Germans vs. Soviets..... but whether anybody learns from past history will remain to be seen.Doesn't Canada use the German Leopord 2 Tanks, which are superior to the M1A2 you guys use? in fact.... here: The Canadian Army - Equipment Feel free to view what we use.... you may notice our equipment is for the most part @ par with your own.

LOL where did you find that info on superior canadian equipment?

OoO tanks designed in 1979, partly as a joint venture with the US? Well I'm sure the 20 you guys borrowed from Germany and the 100 you plan to buy by 2008 will be a great asset.

Not that the US main battle tank is much younger with production starting in 1980 but the US has considerably more that 120 tanks.

Aside from those tanks almost half of your army is built in the US. Artillary, heavy machine guns, anti-tank missles, exc..

I notice Canada doesn't have much in the way of ground air support. I notice a lack of a sufficent naval force as well.

Tanks are hardly useful if you have to retreat 3000 miles from a coastline because US naval aircraft rule the skies.

Similar to how Iraq moved back all forces to stay 23 miles away from the coast during the last conflict. WWII battleships named Wisconsin can be trouble if your nation lacks the air power to protect the ground.

[Kamehameha34]

The difference is that Japan is a nation state while Al Qaeda is not and is not fighting a revolution to become one.

Which is immaterial.

I don't imply - ever.

When you remove the implication from what I quoted, all you have is a glob of words that doesn't amount to anything.

Well, no, sometimes the cause is really only a perception of the person who uses it as the justification for his actions.

So the perception is the cause. Whatever.

Get out of "deconstruct terrorist objective" mode.

I was taking the word at face value.

You incorrectly determined its 'face value' when you misapplied the context.

[Jern_Sandyer]

Quote by: Nono When a US invasion of Canada was defeated and turned back.:)

And we burned down the white house. Anyone know where I put my matches?

But back on topic. I say bring it on Americans. There are enough Canadians in America that we could and would do some serious damage at home on you if you tried. We are too interconnected for an full blown war and also have too many allies. The US is universally hated by most of the world. It is actually safer to be a Canadian globe trotting than it is to be American. If the US was the aggressor in the conflict I would hazard to guess that the EU and China would back us. The EU would because we are not some third world country which fosters Terrorism. We bloody well created the idea of Peacekeepers. China would probably do it just so they could come in, beat up america and then force Canada to supply them with resources. We loose oh well, I guess I will be joining a Canadian terrorist group to free Canada. Enjoy our nukes (Canada and Australia have the largest Uranium reserves in the world I might say)

We have an educated population so I say bring it on. We will cause A LOT of collateral damage on our way out.

[Jern_Sandyer]

Quote by: HelioPrime I notice Canada doesn't have much in the way of ground air support. I notice a lack of a sufficent naval force as well. Tanks are hardly useful if you have to retreat 3000 miles from a coastline because US naval aircraft rule the skies. Similar to how Iraq moved back all forces to stay 23 miles away from the coast during the last conflict. WWII battleships named Wisconsin can be trouble if your nation lacks the air power to protect the ground.

We are the second largest country in this world. We have plenty of room to go to in order to evade you. I still think that having an educated population has to give us quite a few brownie points. Also, do you know how inter-depadant the US and Canada really are. I would suspect that hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars of goods go back and forth across the border

(sorry for the double post)

[HelioPrime]

Quote by: Jern_Sandyer We are the second largest country in this world. We have plenty of room to go to in order to evade you. I still think that having an educated population has to give us quite a few brownie points. Also, do you know how inter-depadant the US and Canada really are. I would suspect that hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars of goods go back and forth across the border (sorry for the double post)

As its been stated above the goal for an invasion of Canada would be to seize the locations of resources. Mainly oil.

Feel free to go into the second largest country and hide in caves. Meanwhile the US controls the objectives.

And forgive me for childish remarks but LOL @ china and EU intervention. Have you ever looked at a map? It would take weeks to set up both sides to attack the US, and any attempt would be noticed and intercepted well in advance.

For one China and India have navies but assisting Europe on an attack is unlikely. I'll give in and assume they did, in which case their 20-30 or more year old soviet era technology is destroyed. Without a navy the worlds largest combined land army goes nowwhere.

As for the EU, even together they can't match the naval blockade the US could assemble. Nevermind the fact that certain cold war era networks like SOSUS still operate, allowing the US to track the movement of anything crossing the atlantic. The US would knew every move by the EU and be able to track and destroy anything they could assemble and send.

Add to that the desperate end of the world type senario. If world resources are vital to control, the US could nuke every canadian city and still have plenty to point at China-EU.

[Nono]

JS's and Prax's view of how Canadians would react is a very romantic one. Canadians are far too pampered and Americanized to resist very fiercely. Iraqis may be less numerous than Canadians, but they have an extremely different mindset from Americans. Canadians don't.

As for Canadians having more turf to work with, most of it is uninhabitable. That's why Canada's population is so crowded into a far southern band of territory.

What was it Pierre Berton said about a Canadian being someone who knows how to make love in a canoe? The fact is, however, that most Canadians these days wouldn't know how to light a campfire.

[Praxius]

Quote by: Nono JS's and Prax's view of how Canadians would react is a very romantic one. Canadians are far too pampered and Americanized to resist very fiercely. Iraqis may be less numerous than Canadians, but they have an extremely different mindset from Americans. Canadians don't.

My my, you absolutly have no idea, lol.... in fact.... lmao....

Are you trying to say we're more "American" then you guys? Or just a lower grade of you guys.... AKA lazy as you said? Isn't that kind of admitting something about your own country?

If you guys came across my country's borders and I was faces with the threat of living in a country such as your's..... I'd fight until all the blood was ripped from my body and my last breath.

Son't get me wrong, I can handle your country, your culture, all your stuff you guys enjoy and call home.... but I'll goto war in a flash if I had to face living it.

Both our countries are similar, but there are some very key differences that make all the difference.

As for Canadians having more turf to work with, most of it is uninhabitable. That's why Canada's population is so crowded into a far southern band of territory.

Pssh.... uninhabitable you say? The only reason why our population is so south and close together is for lower costs in transportation and trade, less travel, not as densly populated as you guys, so we basically don't need to move north yet..... although there are plenty of communities, towns, cities and military bases very high in the norths.

Uninhabital sounds uneducated to me..... I know how to live in the cold for long periods of time and in the winter... where I live, it can and does get just as cold here as it does in the Youkon.

But the simple answer why we are mostly south, is convienece overall.... not because the rest of the country is like the dark side of the moon :rolleyes:

What was it Pierre Berton said about a Canadian being someone who knows how to make love in a canoe? The fact is, however, that most Canadians these days wouldn't know how to light a campfire.

Pssh.... what the hell exactly do you think we do up here on vacation? Sit on the couch and watch baseball? OOoo... fun. Considdering the majority of Canada is Tundra and forest area.... wth do you think we do?

Um.... Camp?

You're shinning that perfect example of typical US knowlege of the average Canadian.

You know.... the ignorance doesn't really anger any of us normally.... in fact, we make fun of it:

YouTube - TALKING TO AMERICANS - Pt 1 (Comedy-clueless Americans)

Man I get a kick out of this everytime, lmao. This is a perfect example of how much information we've been screwing with you guys. I love when he goes to Harvard Uni

[Technosoul]

We do not have to invade Canada with our troops, we can just smog them with our polution untill they choke and die off. With our Governmentally approved chemical warfare plan.

[Kamehameha34]

Quote by: Canadian absolutly.. your's... Son't.. Uninhabital.. convienece.. shinning..

Oops. Guess Canadians can't spell.

I'd fight until all the blood was ripped from my body and my last breath.

Or construct grammatically correct sentences, unless of course you meant "until all the blood was ripped from .. my last breath."

..that perfect example of typical US knowlege of the average Canadian.

Or read, for that matter:

Quote by: Nono's location Old Europe

Boy it's fun to compartmentalize dozens of millions of people because of a few below-par examples.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Praxius Sorry, quality beats quantity anyday

Heh, not in a war of attrition when the sides aren't completely lopsided towards technology. ( Gun vs. sword, sword vs. stick )


P.S. Nono's a Canadian born wanker living in Geneva. ( I was gonna say citizen, but I'm not sure if he's still a citizen, and wanker sounded better. )

[Praxius]

Quote by: Kamehameha34 Oops. Guess Canadians can't spell. Or construct grammatically correct sentences, unless of course you meant "until all the blood was ripped from .. my last breath." Or read, for that matter. Boy it's fun to compartmentalize dozens of millions of people because of a few below-par examples.

Oh wow. I'm really impressed you can pick out bad grammar and spelling.... Lik Eye Kar :rolleyes:

Apparently you understood what was being said, so that is all that was required.... I'm not attempting to get in bed with you just by my silver tounge, nor do I actually care if I spell or use grammar correctly.

If it hurts your eyes so much, stop reading my posts. I'm not at a loss with your attention.

I find it so funny seeing just how defensive and pissy you guys get. And the more pissy you get, the more wild your comments go from the actual truth.

Oh well....

[Kamehameha34]

I guess Canadians can't read implications very well, either.

[Praxius]

Quote by: Kamehameha34 I guess Canadians can't read implications very well, either.

Not if I don't see any point..... and once again, as always... what does this have to do in regards to the topic at hand? I'm not about to get into a childish pissing contest about grammar or spelling, whether it's between countries or just you and I. :rolleyes:

You know.... unless you're just trying to troll.....

[Kamehameha34]

You don't see a point because you can't read implications, and you can't read implications because you don't see a point.

I guess Canadians are fans of circular reasoning as well.

[Praxius]

OOooOooooo..... look who thinks he's clevar! :rolleyes:

Not exactly, your posts start off in the middle of something nobody knows what you're talking about, you make a point about something as if you're the only one who has ever realized it, and you continually play around with what you said as if we're all supposed to know what you're actually trying to get at.

You complain about my grammar and my spelling, yet you still seem to require the learning of formulating sentences and paragraphs so that the actually relate to something.

Quite basically, you decided to think you're clevar by picking out common spelling mistakes an grammar errors by me, when I write what's in my mind as fast as I think it.....

I rarely go back to spell check or grammar check, just to make you all pleased and happy with your life.

If you really wanted to get pathetic about this, I too could go back through many of your posts and do the same.

But then we'd be getting into some childish bickering about stupid petty things which have nothing to do with the threads original topic.... much like what's happening now, because you do not explain any relation to what you posted and the actual topic.

And then you try and play your silly games like you actually are meaning something important, and you try and riddle around joking that I don't get it but everybody else does.

The fact is..... I don't care.

I shall suggest an idea to you that I have just practiced:

If you are so bothered by my grammer and spelling, then ignore my posts and move on with your life......

..... just as I don't understand on dam thing you try and explain, because you can't seem to learn how to relate a quote you take, the response you give, and an actual relation to the topic at hand, I in turn will just ignore your posts that you don't try and put some effort into.

Quite simply, there is no point because you don't want there to be a point to begin with. There is no implication, because you don't want an implication to the topic at hand, because you're just trying to be a shit disturber.

In even simplier terms, you're trying to take a dig at some spelling mistakes and such from me personally, because you think that it'll piss me off....... when actually, you're tactics are so a-typical, it's not even funny.

Now besides talking about whether Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor was a terrorist attack, or whether I can spell most words, or just to take indirect personal attacks on me..... do you actually have anything productive to say in this thread, for once?

[Kamehameha34]

Not exactly, your posts start off in the middle of something nobody knows what you're talking about, you make a point about something as if you're the only one who has ever realized it, and you continually play around with what you said as if we're all supposed to know what you're actually trying to get at.

No - it's actually quite simple, what I'm getting at. Are Canadians always so obtuse?

...because you're just trying to be a shit disturber.

The entire post was generally amusing, but this part made me lol.