Sheeple

[lsbskins1]

So, when the Libertarians blindly follow the economic clap trap that they are fed by people simply counting on the fact that sometimes these wierd-ass theories can push the middle away from the actual middle towards some funky extreme and help enrich them, then they can rightly be called sheeple as well?

[Gods_Mercenary]

I frown upon almost no disparaging terms, I enjoy their use often as I can, though usually not on volconvo, it's against the rules here.

[ZNFYRH]

lsbskins

That's what I was hoping to get to.

Calling people "sheeple" but then completely defending a concept simply because you associate with the label seems rather hypocritical.

Quote by: Gods I frown upon almost no disparaging terms, I enjoy their use often as I can, though usually not on volconvo, it's against the rules here.

When you use the disparaging terms, do you apply them to anyone who is part of a group or do you wait and see if they exhibit the characteristics that earned the negativity towards that group?

For example, if you use the word "nigger," do you call all black people "nigger" or only the ones who clearly act belligerent and ignorant?

[Gods_Mercenary]

I almost never use "nigger", except when sing along to a rap song or something. But, yes, I usually wait and suspend judgement, but inmy opinion I can readily judge most americans a sheeple from where I'm sitting.

Quote by: ZNFYRH sdbest I wouldn't necessarily go that far, though I understand the sentiment and agree with your literary view. It is a word that does summarize the type of person being referenced. The problem is that the word is used to be insulting at the same time as representing a group. Why use "sheeple" freely but frown on other disparaging terms for other groups?

I go that far because the pejorative "sheeple" has, in my view, no merit. It's a construct, and a false one, about people who the users of "sheeple" deem are inferior to them because they don't agree with the "sheeple"-users point of view, or act in the way the "sheeple"-users deem appropriate. The fact that someone might agree with or acquiesce to a particular public policy course that is anathema to the "sheeple"-users does not make them lesser persons than the "sheeple"-users.

"Sheeple"-users intend meanness and degradation when they use the term, and for that they should be exposed for the kind of people that they are.

The lexicon of pejoratives is long and sordid: "nigger-lover", "jew-lover", "tree hugger", "feminazi", "pig", "gook", "rag head", the list is almost endless, and all the words are used to same ends. "Sheeple" is another entry. And those who use it deserve censure.

Regards
S.

[Praxius]

Obviously there are people out there who are unintelligent followers that don't think for themselves, but accepting the world in which you live doesn't make you such.

In a sense, yes.....

One view I have is:
Accepting how the world is, accepting that you yourself and others like you are being screwed over, and sitting by, doing nothing to make change, and basically sitting around eating your grass and not contributing to better your quality of life, is a sheeple in my mind.

Other View:
Someone who holds absolute faith in something that consists of no evidence, because they fear the truth, Someone who continually gets screwed over and just shrugs it off..... someone who denies and denies overwhelming evidence against their opinion, all for the sake of not accepting and admitting that you might be wrong or might have been wrong.

In fact, here is a scientist's rendering of what Sheeple actually look like:


Angry Conservative > Home ( DNN 4.3.5 ) - Ewwww! Sheep Man!

Scientist create a sheep that's 15% human!

I don't normally use the term, but I can understand people using the term, because when you come across someone who wants to debate with you and all they do is recite garbage from political leaders, with no actual thought process made on their own behalf, or they just continually deny what someone said because it went against the overal concept/plan/goals/understanding of the leader they suck hole with all the time......

Sometimes when you are hit with a road block from someone who is debating ignorantly, one can easily respond equally ignorantly to express what you are feeling from them.....

[ZNFYRH]

Praxius

You raise an interesting point, and it's one that I hinted at earlier...

Disliking your situation and doing nothing about it.

Railing about whatever circumstance happens to be not preferable but doing nothing beyond complaining.

There are those who accept that the world sucks but they would rather enjoy what they can out of life and live it as best they can as things are, without changes.

But of those who think "it sucks" and want it changed but do nothing, aren't they "sheeple" too? Just sheeple that bleat louder?

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: sdbest While in my literary view, it is an excellent word, its sole purpose is to denigrate and deviantize people. It's used by people who, lacking cogent and valid arguments for their own ill-informed views, resort to insult, disrespect, and mean-spiritedness. Having lost an argument, it's all that is left to them--a childish lashing out.

Those words are far more insulting ( and off base ) than a general term like sheeple. ( Still, you notice, that the targets of such attacks don't report your posts to the Mods )

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: ZNFYRH Why use "sheeple" freely but frown on other disparaging terms for other groups?

Oh, I use other colorful terms ( that happen to be accurate dictionary definitions ) to describe other behaviors I find intollerable, like I call Democrats socialists, and I call Republicans fascists. So your characterization is misleading, if not completely false. )

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: lsbskins1 So, when the Libertarians blindly follow the economic clap trap that they are fed by people simply counting on the fact that sometimes these wierd-ass theories can push the middle away from the actual middle towards some funky extreme and help enrich them, then they can rightly be called sheeple as well?

I suppose you are welcome to attempt too apply it in that manor, however I think the definition is solid enough that you will be called for misuse of the term.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: ZNFYRH That's what I was hoping to get to. Calling people "sheeple" but then completely defending a concept simply because you associate with the label seems rather hypocritical.

Many things we do not fully understand can seem puzzling when viewed from the outside.

Quote by: ZNFYRH When you use the disparaging terms, do you apply them to anyone who is part of a group or do you wait and see if they exhibit the characteristics that earned the negativity towards that group? For example, if you use the word "nigger," do you call all black people "nigger" or only the ones who clearly act belligerent and ignorant?

Bingo! ( You have described exactly what was intended to be inferred, right down to the example given. )

Quote by: Milton Bradley Those words are far more insulting ( and off base ) than a general term like sheeple. ( Still, you notice, that the targets of such attacks don't report your posts to the Mods )

Not only are my words more insulting, they constitute better writing than that offered by the "sheeple"-users.

Regards
S.

[ZNFYRH]

Quote by: Milton So your characterization is misleading, if not completely false.

You sure?

Quote by: Milton I use other colorful terms ... to describe other behaviors I find intollerable

But do you use those terms for an entire group?

If someone supports the government as part of their own educated choice, do you call them "sheeple"?

If someone complains about the government but does nothing, do you call them "sheeple"?

And if someone doesn't complain about the government, but you know nothing else about them, do you call them "sheeple"?

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: sdbest I go that far because the pejorative "sheeple" has, in my view, no merit. It's a construct, and a false one, about people who the users of "sheeple" deem are inferior to them because they don't agree with the "sheeple"-users point of view, or act in the way the "sheeple"-users deem appropriate. The fact that someone might agree with or acquiesce to a particular public policy course that is anathema to the "sheeple"-users does not make them lesser persons than the "sheeple"-users.

Incorrect. The term comes into play mostly when people argue against the known constitutional laws are being eroded while the sheeple cheerlead from the sidelines.


I don't care if you don''t much like our laws here, but if you become a citizen, and then work to subvert the constitution ( directly, or indirectly throught voting for enemies of our constitution ) than you get the label applied to you, and deservedly so.

Quote by: sdbest "Sheeple"-users intend meanness and degradation when they use the term, and for that they should be exposed for the kind of people that they are.

Thank you. I think I am in the right, and I appreciate your nomination to be recognized for my contributions to society.

Quote by: sdbest The lexicon of pejoratives is long and sordid: "nigger-lover", "jew-lover", "tree hugger", "feminazi", "pig", "gook", "rag head", the list is almost endless, and all the words are used to same ends. "Sheeple" is another entry. And those who use it deserve censure.

As long as the anti--conspiracy people are free to call us the Tin Foil Hat Crowd, I reserve the right to use mildly dergoatory terms in self defense. Commie!

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: ZNFYRH Praxius You raise an interesting point, and it's one that I hinted at earlier... Disliking your situation and doing nothing about it. Railing about whatever circumstance happens to be not preferable but doing nothing beyond complaining. There are those who accept that the world sucks but they would rather enjoy what they can out of life and live it as best they can as things are, without changes. But of those who think "it sucks" and want it changed but do nothing, aren't they "sheeple" too? Just sheeple that bleat louder?

Hey lsbskins, why don't you paint with a bit broader of a brush out of your imaginary cast of demons, and attribute those fictional transgressions to us as well. ( This tactic of attributing things to people out of your imagination is a true art form for some here, such as lsbskins, hence the association )


Funny how you attempt to discredit people by implying that they behave in a certain way when you have no way of knowing such a thing.


I find this tactic to be far worse than name calling, or trolling, and think people who create posts like this should be banned. But do I hike my skirt up. and throw a fit about it? Do I claim it's unfair? Do I attempt to have rules changed to protect my thin, sensitive skin?


Perhaps a debate forum is not the preferred means of communication for somebody with such a fragile world view.

[ZNFYRH]

Milton

lsbskins or me?

Other than the personal attacks in there, what was your point?

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: ZNFYRH But do you use those terms for an entire group?

Only if it fits. I'm not getting my kicks here from name calling, I get my kicks from proving people wrong.

Quote by: ZNFYRH If someone supports the government as part of their own educated choice, do you call them "sheeple"?

If they're commies, or fascists.

Quote by: ZNFYRH If someone complains about the government but does nothing, do you call them "sheeple"?

I have to answer no to that.

Quote by: ZNFYRH And if someone doesn't complain about the government, but you know nothing else about them, do you call them "sheeple"?

Nope.

[Technosoul]

Sheep, lambs to be tortured, or odd ducks trying to survive without a lake.

Nice Zoo to visit, but I would not want to live there.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: ZNFYRH Milton lsbskins or me? Other than the personal attacks in there, what was your point?

Tha is me insulting you by calling you lsbskins, because you are resorting to her tired tactics of attempting to paint a picture out of your imagination, and then attributing that vision to me/us, even though it is entirely contrived BS.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Technosoul Sheep, lambs to be tortured, or odd ducks trying to survive without a lake. Nice Zoo to visit, but I would not want to live there.

Since no government agency is required to give you a ticket, I suspect it's safe to assume you won't be attending.