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View Poll Results: HOW DO YOU GET TO HEAVEN WHEN YOU DIE?
BY TRUSTING JESUS CHRIST AS LORD AND SAVIOR 22 29.33%
BY TRUSTING IN MOHAMMAD 0 0%
BY TRUSTING IN BUDDHA 1 1.33%
THERE IS NO HEAVEN/THERE IS NO GOD 30 40.00%
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Old Jul 18, 2007, 07:47 pm   #1 (permalink) (top)
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How To Get To Heaven When You Die

ARE YOU 100% SURE THAT IF YOU DIED TODAY THAT YOU WOULD GO TO HEAVEN?

THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT YOU SHOULD KNOW:

1. REALIZE THAT YOU ARE A SINNER AND IN NEED OF A SAVIOR:

Ro 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"

Ro 3:10 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:"

This all began with the story of Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. God created them perfect, there was no death or sorrow. God told them not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They disobeyed God and as a result, sin entered into the world. The pain which this world sees is the result of sin.

2. BECAUSE OF OUR SINS, WE DIE BOTH SPIRITUALLY AND PHYSICALLY, BUT GOD SENT HIS SON TO TAKE OUR PUNISHMENT AND GIVE US A CHANCE NOT TO HAVE TO GO TO HELL.

Ro 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

Ro 5:8 "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."

Every person who has ever lived is a sinner and is not righteous because we do bad things. A sin is a crime against God, just as if you steal something at the store, it is punishable by going to jail. It's the same thing with sin. Even if we lie one time, the punishment is hell, which is a prison for those who commit crimes against God. No matter how well you live your life from then on, you have already committed a sin which will be punished if you are not pardoned. If you commit a crime, and then live as a good citizen you still will go to jail for the crime you committed. Right? Just as the president can pardon a crime so you won't go to jail, Jesus can pardon your sins so that you do not go to hell, and can go to heaven when you die.

3. IF WE WILL ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST AS OUR LORD WITH OUR MOUTHS AND BELIEVE IN OUR HEARTS THAT HE ROSE FROM THE DEAD, BY DOING THIS WE ARE RECEIVING HIM:

Ro 10:9,10 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: {power: or, the right, or, privilege}
(KJV)

You cannot get to heaven by being a good person, going to church, baptism or any other way other than by turning to Jesus and asking Him to forgive you for your sins and save you. While these are good things to do, some people believe that they will get to heaven if they do these things, but the bible says that there is only one way to heaven and that is through receiving what Jesus Christ did on the cross for you.

Will you do that today? If you will, you can be 100% sure that you will go to heaven when you die.

DO YOU BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST DIED ON THE CROSS AND ROSE FROM THE DEAD FOR YOUR SINS? DO YOU ACCEPT WHAT HE DID FOR YOU TO PAY FOR YOUR SINS?

4. If you are willing to receive Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior please pray this right now, from your heart to God,

"Dear LORD JESUS, I believe that YOU died on the Cross and Rose from the dead for my sins. I ask you to come into my heart and forgive me for my sins, take me to heaven when I die. I now receive You as my Lord and Savior. Thank You for saving me. In Jesus holy name, Amen."

If you prayed that prayer from your heart to God, and meant it with all of your heart, you are now a child of God and will go to heaven when you die.

Now that you are on your way to heaven, you should attend a bible believing church and follow in baptism.
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Old Jul 18, 2007, 08:26 pm   #2 (permalink) (top)
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My favorite response to people who pose the question about going to heaven after you die is the response offered by Socrates. As I'm sure you recall he was in jail awaiting his execution. While he was in the slammer many of his friends and former students, including Plato, went to visit the old boy.

Finially someone bribed a guard to open the door and allow the famous prisoner to skedaddle. He said that he's just as soon stay and take his medicine.....or rather helmock.

"Why" asked the guard. "I'm letting you go".

Socrates said that he was an old man (they figure he was 72) and that he was about to die soon anyway. The fact that he was to be executed wouldn't shorten his life very much. He went on to say that if he did escape he'd die and be forgotten, but if he stayed and took the poison he'd be remembered as a martyr. He'd be remembered. He'd be written about. This was good, he said.

He also said that death could logically be only one of two things. One it could be a dreamless sleep. He said when one awakens from a dreamless sleep you certainly don't recall the experience as a bad one. Death could be this. It's just not that bad.

Or, he said, one could go to a place where you'd be able to meet all of the wonderful people who had ever lived. Just think of all of the wonderful conversations that one would be able to have. This too would be a good thing. Not bad at all.

He had no concept of being punished in the afterlife. That idea didn't come until later.

I like the Socrates concepts. I believe in them as well. I don't know what happens after death, of course. No one does. We just guess. Some of us think that we know what's going to happen. But we are just guessing.

So, I'm not worried about what will happen. I guess I try to live a good and honest life so that if we are punished I won't suffer too much. But I really don't think that will happen. I live a good life as best I can because that's best for all concerned. Being good makes one happy, being bad causes the opposit. I'd rather be happy.

I do believe in God, BTW. I'm just not sure that I believe in the Devil.
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Old Jul 18, 2007, 08:27 pm   #3 (permalink) (top)
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No thanks, sounds like far to much effort just to spend eternity with such a siily god
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Old Jul 18, 2007, 08:29 pm   #4 (permalink) (top)
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Watch this please..

YouTube - Kissing Hank's Ass

It's a decent explanation of how most atheists view religion and people like Frodobaggins.


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Old Jul 18, 2007, 09:29 pm   #5 (permalink) (top)
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This isn't debate but propaganda. It doesn't qualify for the debate forums. Moving to Misc. Next time it will be treated as the spam it is.


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Old Jul 18, 2007, 11:27 pm   #6 (permalink) (top)
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This isn't spam is it? I mean spam is where you repeat the same message over and over again, right?
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Old Jul 19, 2007, 12:45 am   #7 (permalink) (top)
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Spam is also posting a soapbox statement to a forum without regard to the forum's rules or purpose. It's the e-quivalent of junk mail, and it's not appreciated. It's rude and obnoxious. Odd that the religious think that's OK.


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Old Jul 19, 2007, 01:23 am   #8 (permalink) (top)
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Odd that you won't let a religious topic in the religion forum and you consider it spam and obnoxious why?
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Old Jul 19, 2007, 01:32 am   #9 (permalink) (top)
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Because you didn't present it as a debate but instead as a proclamation. Preaching is not debate, and this is a debate forum. Can you honestly say you posted this as a topic of debate and that it's not simply a statement of your beliefs? It reads exactly like a religious tract to me.


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Old Jul 19, 2007, 04:29 am   #10 (permalink) (top)
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Gee, I dunno. Maybe he/she made a 'proclamation' to bring out a debate?
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Old Jul 19, 2007, 04:46 am   #11 (permalink) (top)
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Old Jul 19, 2007, 02:22 pm   #12 (permalink) (top)
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Gee, I dunno. Maybe he/she made a 'proclamation' to bring out a debate?
Exactly.
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Old Jul 19, 2007, 03:15 pm   #13 (permalink) (top)
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Gee, I dunno. Maybe he/she made a 'proclamation' to bring out a debate?
I'm in agreement with you. I chimed in. I enjoy religious debates. I really don't know why though. I was warned by my father long ago not to do so. I was also told to avoid political debates. I've broken both rules here, I think.
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Old Jul 19, 2007, 07:55 pm   #14 (permalink) (top)
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I am more afraid of dying than I am of death.
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Old Jul 19, 2007, 07:57 pm   #15 (permalink) (top)
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This might sound stupid, but if it is debate you want...

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Exactly.
Regarding this post...

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ARE YOU 100% SURE THAT IF YOU DIED TODAY THAT YOU WOULD GO TO HEAVEN?

THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT YOU SHOULD KNOW:

1. REALIZE THAT YOU ARE A SINNER AND IN NEED OF A SAVIOR:

Ro 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"

Ro 3:10 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:"

This all began with the story of Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. God created them perfect, there was no death or sorrow. God told them not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They disobeyed God and as a result, sin entered into the world. The pain which this world sees is the result of sin.

2. BECAUSE OF OUR SINS, WE DIE BOTH SPIRITUALLY AND PHYSICALLY, BUT GOD SENT HIS SON TO TAKE OUR PUNISHMENT AND GIVE US A CHANCE NOT TO HAVE TO GO TO HELL.

Ro 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

Ro 5:8 "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."

Every person who has ever lived is a sinner and is not righteous because we do bad things. A sin is a crime against God, just as if you steal something at the store, it is punishable by going to jail. It's the same thing with sin. Even if we lie one time, the punishment is hell, which is a prison for those who commit crimes against God. No matter how well you live your life from then on, you have already committed a sin which will be punished if you are not pardoned. If you commit a crime, and then live as a good citizen you still will go to jail for the crime you committed. Right? Just as the president can pardon a crime so you won't go to jail, Jesus can pardon your sins so that you do not go to hell, and can go to heaven when you die.

3. IF WE WILL ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST AS OUR LORD WITH OUR MOUTHS AND BELIEVE IN OUR HEARTS THAT HE ROSE FROM THE DEAD, BY DOING THIS WE ARE RECEIVING HIM:

Ro 10:9,10 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: {power: or, the right, or, privilege}
(KJV)

You cannot get to heaven by being a good person, going to church, baptism or any other way other than by turning to Jesus and asking Him to forgive you for your sins and save you. While these are good things to do, some people believe that they will get to heaven if they do these things, but the bible says that there is only one way to heaven and that is through receiving what Jesus Christ did on the cross for you.

Will you do that today? If you will, you can be 100% sure that you will go to heaven when you die.

DO YOU BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST DIED ON THE CROSS AND ROSE FROM THE DEAD FOR YOUR SINS? DO YOU ACCEPT WHAT HE DID FOR YOU TO PAY FOR YOUR SINS?

4. If you are willing to receive Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior please pray this right now, from your heart to God,

"Dear LORD JESUS, I believe that YOU died on the Cross and Rose from the dead for my sins. I ask you to come into my heart and forgive me for my sins, take me to heaven when I die. I now receive You as my Lord and Savior. Thank You for saving me. In Jesus holy name, Amen."

If you prayed that prayer from your heart to God, and meant it with all of your heart, you are now a child of God and will go to heaven when you die.

Now that you are on your way to heaven, you should attend a bible believing church and follow in baptism.
How do you know this is true?

Or, more specifically:prove it; I.E., prove (or at least support/provide evidence) that this is true and not just some false nonsense.

I'm not saying it is, but surely I should not just accept in a gullible manner, right?

After all, there are many religions claiming similar things.


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Old Jul 19, 2007, 10:47 pm   #16 (permalink) (top)
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So you are 100% sure? How do you know this? Have YOU been to heaven? What proof do you have there is a heaven or a hell?


Also If...

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You cannot get to heaven by being a good person, going to church, baptism or any other way other than by turning to Jesus and asking Him to forgive you for your sins and save you.
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If you prayed that prayer from your heart to God, and meant it with all of your heart, you are now a child of God and will go to heaven when you die.
Then why did you contradict yourself with the following?


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Now that you are on your way to heaven, you should attend a bible believing church and follow in baptism.
Or are these safety measures just in case your prayer "thingy" doesn't get heard the first time? Is it possible that God may put your personal relationship on hold while he's answering other prayers. He's quite a busy guy yanno?


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Old Jul 20, 2007, 06:50 pm   #17 (permalink) (top)
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I am more afraid of dying than I am of death.
I had a good friend who was dieing. He was a GI in WWII, fought on Normandy, was wounded and captured, he escaped and got back to his lines where he was hospitalized. He was told he'd be sent home. He had to escape from the US hospital in order to get back to his unit to continue fighting. When he returned home he became a giant in industry.

Eventually he sickened and slipped closer and closer to the end. He said to me one day, "It's not being dead that's so bad, it's the getting there that's a bitch."

I live in Oregon, here we have an assisted suicide law. I'm glad that we do. I'd rather be slipped the black pill than to linger in some ICU unit being pumped with fluids, dope and oxygen.
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Old Jul 21, 2007, 06:00 am   #18 (permalink) (top)
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I had a good friend who was dieing. He was a GI in WWII, fought on Normandy, was wounded and captured, he escaped and got back to his lines where he was hospitalized. He was told he'd be sent home. He had to escape from the US hospital in order to get back to his unit to continue fighting. When he returned home he became a giant in industry.

Eventually he sickened and slipped closer and closer to the end. He said to me one day, "It's not being dead that's so bad, it's the getting there that's a bitch."

I live in Oregon, here we have an assisted suicide law. I'm glad that we do. I'd rather be slipped the black pill than to linger in some ICU unit being pumped with fluids, dope and oxygen.
My sentiments exactly. I'm thinking of moving to Oregon. :)
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Old Jul 21, 2007, 07:36 am   #19 (permalink) (top)
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First you get down on your knees,
Fiddle with your rosaries,
Bow your head with great respect and
Genuflect, genuflect, genuflect!

Do whatever steps you want if
You have cleared them with the Pontiff.
Everybody say his own
Kyrie eleison,
Doin' the Vatican Rag.

Get in line in that processional,
Step into that small confessional,
There the guy who's got religion'll
Tell you if your sin's original.
If it is, try playin' it safer,
Drink the wine and chew the wafer,
Two, four, six, eight,
Time to transubstantiate!

So get down upon your knees,
Fiddle with your rosaries,
Bow your head with great respect and
Genuflect, genuflect, genuflect!

Make a cross on your abdomen,
When in Rome do like a Roman,
Ave Maria,
Gee it's good to see ya,
Gettin' ecstatic an'
Sorta dramatic an'
Doin' the Vatican Rag!


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Old Jul 21, 2007, 10:56 am   #20 (permalink) (top)
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Now I'm going to have that song in my head all day (I've got the album around here somewhere). Not that I'm complaining.


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