How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[Arawn-ap-Hywel]

Quote by: XFRODOBAGGINSX To those who are skeptical: Do you believe that the bible is God's word? If not, why not? I can show you why the bible is true.

no

it was created by humans who failed to evolve

No XFRODOBAGGINSX you cannot show us why it is true for you and we are human and can not discover truth

[XFRODOBAGGINSX]

According to what you have just said, there is no way to understand what you have just written.

Next question please.

[nerdvincent]

Could you answer mine please? (post N°159)
Thank you.

[Arawn-ap-Hywel]

Quote by: XFRODOBAGGINSX According to what you have just said, there is no way to understand what you have just written. Next question please.

precisely

whilst man creates words of myth and legend then he fails to see truth and sense truth

[XFRODOBAGGINSX]

Quote by: nerdvincent -First: what do you mean by true? Taken litterally or in a very allegorical way? Telling the truth about things such as the creation of the world and life or just about his philosophical content? -Second: If we consider there is a God, why do you consider Bible to be a more reliable source about God's will than Qu'ran or the Mormon Book? -Third: please show me why the Bible is true, and don't forget to tell us what you meran by "true". Try not to cite a Bible passage as a source please. Have a nice day, and use your critical thinking.

If you don't know what the word true means, then look it up in the dictionary. Taken literally UNTIL the bible tells you that it's an allegory. Most of it is literal, but not all of it. Creation of the world is literal.

As far as WHY the bible is more reliable than the koran, first of all, the koran was written 1,200 years AFTER the bible was completed. It copied the biblical stories and twisted them up. It was only written by one man mohammud. It contradicts.

I can use the bible to prove the bible, but I will wait. First I want to say that the bible was written by God through 40 men in 3 languages over a 1,500 year period. These men lived in different parts of the world, some were rich, some were poor, some were educated, some were not, most didn't know each other, nor did they have access to the other's writings and yet it fits together as if it were written by one person. It was written by God. It has no errors or contradictions. It is the Word of God. The bible is accurate in matters of Science, History, and all matters of life.
There are countless prophecies which have been predicted and fulfilled perfectly in scripture. Many of these prophecies were written hundreds or even thousands of years before they were fulfilled.

[Matt W]

Sooo....what about all the various gospels which were left out of the Bible, then? Or the various tracts that can be quoted, almost word for word, in earlier Bablyonian texts?

By the way, preaching doesn't make for good debate. Just a thought.

[Jack]

It was written by God. It has no errors or contradictions.

Oh?

Was Jesus given anything to drink on the cross?
John 19:29-30
Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth. When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
Mark 15:23
And they gave him to drink wine mingled with myrrh: but he received it not.

I can use the bible to prove the bible, but I will wait

Don't bother. No one but a theist would accept the Bible as evidence of its own validity.

First I want to say that the bible was written by God through 40 men in 3 languages over a 1,500 year period. These men lived in different parts of the world, some were rich, some were poor, some were educated, some were not, most didn't know each other, nor did they have access to the other's writings and yet it fits together as if it were written by one person. It was written by God. It has no errors or contradictions. It is the Word of God. The bible is accurate in matters of Science, History, and all matters of life. There are countless prophecies which have been predicted and fulfilled perfectly in scripture. Many of these prophecies were written hundreds or even thousands of years before they were fulfilled.

Opinion and conjecture without a hint of supporting evidence. This exact same argument has been presented before and didn't fare any better the first time around.

Creation of the world is literal.

In 6 days around 6000 to 10000 years ago? Outside the Bible, is there any credible geological evidence to support that notion?

[nerdvincent]

-Some religious texts appears to be older than Bible.
-Science proved that Bible was wrong about life and creation of the world, and so it's wrong about history too.
-As cited below, we study 4 gospels out of 9, because some were not fitting together.
-Give me exemples of prophecies please. I'm afraid it will be not to hard to find an explanation.

Have a nice day.
Vincent

[nerdvincent]

Yes that's true Ish.
It's somewhat boring: the same arguments are yelled over and over again, and don't last any longer.

[Kuldeep]

If age of religious books is the criteria of correctness, then what about epic books like Ramayana, about 7,000 years old and Bhagved Gita about 5,000 years old where in, both Rama and Krishna are reported to be God in human form; looking at the reported miracles performed by both during their period of existenace !!! ????

[Porfyra]

you know, there is really no way to PROVE God (as i have recently discovered in my horrid attempt to do so with miracles) ... God's there, plain as day, but it's ya'lls choice to believe in him or not. and i hate to say it but if you don't believe, you've no idea what you are missing out on.

but i have to say, it's difficult to argue all those prophecies that came true, isn't it?

[Rainbow]

Quote by: XFRODOBAGGINSX According to what you have just said, there is no way to understand what you have just written. Next question please.

Since you post the question, could you answer to my post, please.
How To Get To Heaven When You Die
(Post #157)

[Rainbow]

Quote by: XFRODOBAGGINSX If you don't know what the word true means, then look it up in the dictionary. Taken literally UNTIL the bible tells you that it's an allegory. Most of it is literal, but not all of it. Creation of the world is literal. As far as WHY the bible is more reliable than the koran, first of all, the koran was written 1,200 years AFTER the bible was completed. It copied the biblical stories and twisted them up. It was only written by one man mohammud. It contradicts. I can use the bible to prove the bible, but I will wait. First I want to say that the bible was written by God through 40 men in 3 languages over a 1,500 year period. These men lived in different parts of the world, some were rich, some were poor, some were educated, some were not, most didn't know each other, nor did they have access to the other's writings and yet it fits together as if it were written by one person. It was written by God. It has no errors or contradictions. It is the Word of God. The bible is accurate in matters of Science, History, and all matters of life. There are countless prophecies which have been predicted and fulfilled perfectly in scripture. Many of these prophecies were written hundreds or even thousands of years before they were fulfilled.

(I take your post, as the answer to my question addressed to you with the following subject : "Bible is true" <-----> Post #157)
#1
I take that process of creation the world - described within the Bible - as a sybolic expression.

#2
I think that subject seems to be irrelevant which source is right and/or correct, for the following reason :
- the Sun shines for ALL of us, regardless of non-religious and/or religious approach, since God did not create the Universe for religious guys, exclusively, but for ALL of us. It applies to all the elements within the Universe we live-in.
More over, there was No religion when the Universe was created.

#3
I am afraid those intellectualists barely possessed ability of reading-writing, since the level of illiteracy was overwhelming at that time, while few of those guys had a chance to grab something to write on, not to mention any form of education at all. Faculties like Physics, Mathematics, Chemistry, Geography, Biology, Medicine, etc. were not in a form of (acceptable to scientific approach) existence - except for common knowledge, known to selective individuals, only - indicating that Science was a "magic" to them, still.
(I dare to say), it looks those guys could have been taken as bluntheads, at their best.

I do not think the Bible was written by God.
As an example :
- "Genesis"
Do you mean, God dictated the whole text (along with all the expressions), physically and/or literally and/or personally ?
OR
God handed over all the information to be written ?
OR
Others did it (in the name of God) ?
???

[Maryjane]

you've no idea what you are missing out on.

Care to elaborate what we are missing out on? You don't have to be religious to be spiritual.

[Porfyra]

you are missing out on the beautiful, rich, wonderful love of God which surrounds and engulfs those who trust him. its simple and glorious and has me awestruck.

[Jack]

Good for you. But we're not missing anything of any value.

I used to have feelings like that when I was a Christian. After I left religion behind, I still had those feelings, but now I realized they had nothing to do with gods. I was awe-struck by the majesty and complexity of nature, humbled by my place in the universe and amazed at the quantity of love and compassion in those around me.

[Kuldeep]

Quote by: Maryjane You don't have to be religious to be spiritual.

That is quite true ! But then religion helps to be spiritual to some extent.

[Maryjane]

you are missing out on the beautiful, rich, wonderful love of God which surrounds and engulfs those who trust him. its simple and glorious and has me awestruck.

Pardon me, but I'm still not understanding. I'm not being a jerk, I'm just wondering if the feelings you get are the same ones I get, and how you know that feeling comes from a god?

Say for example, you've been working very hard to accomplish something. You might pray for guidance, while I on the other hand will not. When you finally reach the deadline, the goal is accomplished, and it turns out even better than you had anticipated, do you attribute the awestruck feeling you have to a god?

That would be one example of what I would clarify as spiritualy rewarding. It's something I alone accomplished. That feeling in turn motivates me the next time I come across something I perceive to be difficult. It's that belief in myself that gives me reward. It's the trust I put in myself I find spiritually healing.

[Maryjane]

But then religion helps to be spiritual to some extent.

Kul,
I hope my example is one that will help you understand why I don't feel religion has anything to do with being spiritual. Perhaps our definition of spiritual is different?

[Kuldeep]

Quote by: Maryjane Kul, I hope my example is one that will help you understand why I don't feel religion has anything to do with being spiritual. Perhaps our definition of spiritual is different?

Yes you are right here as well. Our religion (Hinduism) tells everything exists in yoyr own self which could felt and attained through the pwer of mind and concentration. This very statement you have tried to put in form of your example of extreme persevarence. In our religion what you think are as YOU is infact a reflection of universal consciousness which is termed as supreme of the supreme Gods(Final God)

This lesson gives one boost to feel that he is everything and develops self confidence. So in case of distress it is only YOU (in the form of God), which can help you the best.

I am not sure if, I could clear myself about my feeling spirituality and God therein