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nerdvincent · Nov 13, 2007, 07:23 pm

*"start with a good feeling" or " good intention" I don't know what's better in english.

Marilyn Monroe · Nov 13, 2007, 07:52 pm

I found this, and if you click on the first one about the human eye, it made me think.

http://www.allaboutthejourney.org/do...-aatj-1b3e.htm

Check it out, and let me know what you think.

nerdvincent · Nov 13, 2007, 07:59 pm

Ok, it's the third time I have to face the "eye evolution" story and it's the third time I or Ish or other people disproved the urban legend claiming that modern scientists don't know about it.

THERE!!!!!:Evolution of the eye - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For the last time I hope
Do researchs of your own if you want to go further, but it gives a good overview.

nerdvincent · Nov 13, 2007, 08:18 pm

Plus, the dude in the video states that he's a lawyer, not a biologist. His arguments are only what we call "god-of-the-gaps arguments". In other term, argument from ignorance, working only for people who don't have enough scientific knowledge. it's very easy indeed: you ask questions ("how did the human eye evolve...") then find something which seems incredible ("from nothing to such a complex organ...") and fill the lacks of knowledge with some "God did it".

Marilyn Monroe · Nov 13, 2007, 08:40 pm

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Plus, the dude in the video states that he's a lawyer, not a biologist. His arguments are only what we call "god-of-the-gaps arguments". In other term, argument from ignorance, working only for people who don't have enough scientific knowledge. it's very easy indeed: you ask questions ("how did the human eye evolve...") then find something which seems incredible ("from nothing to such a complex organ...") and fill the lacks of knowledge with some "God did it".

This is something that would work on a lot of people.

I didn't think this guy was super remarkable, but the eye thing did make me wonder.

nerdvincent · Nov 13, 2007, 09:06 pm

There is no harm to wonder until we use it as an argument

And the amrgument from ignorance does works for lots of people on volconvo.

**Chris** · Nov 13, 2007, 11:49 pm

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That’s right, he is the very same person. Jesus did not make the O.T. irrelevant, he only overruled the old law. The Christians are now under the new law, not the old one.

did he really?

Jesus:

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Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn't the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament.

**Chris** · Nov 13, 2007, 11:58 pm

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Quote by: Marilyn Monroe

I found this, and if you click on the first one about the human eye, it made me think.

All About The Journey & Does God Exist Scientifically?

Check it out, and let me know what you think.

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I didn't think this guy was super remarkable, but the eye thing did make me wonder.

watch this Marilyn:

YouTube - The evolution of eyes

YouTube - Dawkins Makes an Eye

Marilyn Monroe · Nov 14, 2007, 08:30 am

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watch this Marilyn:

YouTube - The evolution of eyes

YouTube - Dawkins Makes an Eye

Thanks for all the info!:)

XFRODOBAGGINSX · Nov 14, 2007, 11:44 pm

Please read this first post and pray that prayer to God from your heart.

**Jack** · Nov 15, 2007, 12:26 am

I read the first post, my heart is an organ that pumps blood and prayer is a form of talking to yourself. I do indeed talk to myself.
Do I get into heaven now?

Porfyra · Nov 15, 2007, 08:45 am

you go to heaven when you believe that Jesus Christ is the only way to get there. and that he is the son of God and he died for your sins.

a prayer is a way of stating that you believe, but that idea didn't come around till more recently. before then, people just believed and then were baptized. you don't have to pray the prayer to be saved, but the moment you believe, God knows it and you are saved.

not trying to contradict you, XFRODOBAGGINSX, but that's just what i believe. please, if i am incorrect about this and the Bible states otherwise, then i'll definitely go with that it says, but i haven't found anything that says you must pray the prayer. i thought that the prayer was the only way to go until recently when a jewish friend made me realize otherwise.

nerdvincent · Nov 15, 2007, 04:48 pm

I agree with you Porfyra.
In 2000 years of christianism, many rituals were invented, modified or forgotten without asking the Bible, especially in the Middle Age. Remember that the mass were sung in Latin, and only the priest and the Lord could understand, leaving a lot of liberty to modify the way we worship God.
That's why I thinks clericalism is a fake shadow of the original christianism. It's the same for almost every other religions.

Porfyra · Nov 15, 2007, 06:59 pm

*eyes bulge* youve got to be kidding. we actually agree on something??? i was beginning to think that was almost impossible...

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Remember that the mass were sung in Latin, and only the priest and the Lord could understand, leaving a lot of liberty to modify the way we worship God.

i had forgotten about that... yes now that i think about it there are several things we have changed, but don't get me wrong, i do not believe that there is anything wrong with praying your salvation. i just dont think it is necessary....

nerdvincent · Nov 15, 2007, 07:12 pm

Of course.

XFRODOBAGGINSX · Nov 15, 2007, 11:19 pm

To those who are skeptical:

Do you believe that the bible is God's word?

If not, why not?

I can show you why the bible is true.

Rainbow · Nov 15, 2007, 11:50 pm

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Quote by: XFRODOBAGGINSX

To those who are skeptical:

Do you believe that the bible is God's word?

If not, why not?

I can show you why the bible is true.

I am a Catholic.
However, I have my reservations regarding some data within the Bible.
Besides, I think that many people take the Bible very literaly.

What do you mean - by stating - that "Bible is true" ?

**Jack** · Nov 16, 2007, 12:18 am

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Quote by: XFRODOBAGGINSX

To those who are skeptical:

Do you believe that the bible is God's word?

If not, why not?

I can show you why the bible is true.

Since you've failed to establish the existence of any god, let alone your specific god, to any degree of certainty, why would I "believe" that this book is its "word"?
It's the same as those Yeti footprints. Without first establishing that yetis exist, it's nonsensical to ask if I believe those are its footprints.
First, prove there's such a thing as a god or yeti, then we'll examine the book and those footprints.
If you can't establish the validity of their existence, then I have every reason to doubt the validity of that book and those prints.
That's how skepticism works.

nerdvincent · Nov 16, 2007, 12:30 am

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Quote by: XFRODOBAGGINSX

To those who are skeptical:

Do you believe that the bible is God's word?

If not, why not?

I can show you why the bible is true.

-First: what do you mean by true? Taken litterally or in a very allegorical way? Telling the truth about things such as the creation of the world and life or just about his philosophical content?
-Second: If we consider there is a God, why do you consider Bible to be a more reliable source about God's will than Qu'ran or the Mormon Book?
-Third: please show me why the Bible is true, and don't forget to tell us what you meran by "true". Try not to cite a Bible passage as a source please.

Have a nice day, and use your critical thinking.

**Chris** · Nov 16, 2007, 07:30 am

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Second: If we consider there is a God, why do you consider Bible to be a more reliable source about God's will than Qu'ran or the Mormon Book?

...or older texts for that matter?

View Poll Results: HOW DO YOU GET TO HEAVEN WHEN YOU DIE?
BY TRUSTING JESUS CHRIST AS LORD AND SAVIOR	22	29.33%
BY TRUSTING IN MOHAMMAD	0	0%
BY TRUSTING IN BUDDHA	1	1.33%
THERE IS NO HEAVEN/THERE IS NO GOD	30	40.00%
OTHER	22	29.33%
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Nov 13, 2007, 07:23 pm	#141 (permalink) (top)
nerdvincent NerdyHippieThing 3.1 Location: Who cares? Posts: 827	*"start with a good feeling" or " good intention" I don't know what's better in english. I think, I'm free.

Nov 13, 2007, 07:52 pm	#142 (permalink) (top)
Marilyn Monroe dog lover Location: over the rainbow Posts: 1,187	I found this, and if you click on the first one about the human eye, it made me think. http://www.allaboutthejourney.org/do...-aatj-1b3e.htm Check it out, and let me know what you think. "My one regret in life is that I'm not somebody else." - Woody Allen

Nov 13, 2007, 07:59 pm	#143 (permalink) (top)
nerdvincent NerdyHippieThing 3.1 Location: Who cares? Posts: 827	Ok, it's the third time I have to face the "eye evolution" story and it's the third time I or Ish or other people disproved the urban legend claiming that modern scientists don't know about it. *THERE!!!!!:*Evolution of the eye - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia For the last time I hope Do researchs of your own if you want to go further, but it gives a good overview. I think, I'm free.

Nov 13, 2007, 08:18 pm	#144 (permalink) (top)
nerdvincent NerdyHippieThing 3.1 Location: Who cares? Posts: 827	Plus, the dude in the video states that he's a lawyer, not a biologist. His arguments are only what we call "god-of-the-gaps arguments". In other term, argument from ignorance, working only for people who don't have enough scientific knowledge. it's very easy indeed: you ask questions ("how did the human eye evolve...") then find something which seems incredible ("from nothing to such a complex organ...") and fill the lacks of knowledge with some "God did it". I think, I'm free.

Nov 13, 2007, 09:06 pm	#146 (permalink) (top)
nerdvincent NerdyHippieThing 3.1 Location: Who cares? Posts: 827	There is no harm to wonder until we use it as an argument And the amrgument from ignorance does works for lots of people on volconvo. I think, I'm free. Last edited by nerdvincent; Nov 13, 2007 at 09:10 pm. Reason: Just a minor mistake, a lack of verbal subject.

Nov 14, 2007, 11:44 pm	#150 (permalink) (top)
XFRODOBAGGINSX BANNED Posts: 30	Please read this first post and pray that prayer to God from your heart.

Nov 15, 2007, 12:26 am	#151 (permalink) (top)
Jack formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 13,366	I read the first post, my heart is an organ that pumps blood and prayer is a form of talking to yourself. I do indeed talk to myself. Do I get into heaven now? The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Heathen Queer Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant)

Nov 15, 2007, 08:45 am	#152 (permalink) (top)
Porfyra Molten Ash Posts: 149	you go to heaven when you believe that Jesus Christ is the only way to get there. and that he is the son of God and he died for your sins. a prayer is a way of stating that you believe, but that idea didn't come around till more recently. before then, people just believed and then were baptized. you don't have to pray the prayer to be saved, but the moment you believe, God knows it and you are saved. not trying to contradict you, XFRODOBAGGINSX, but that's just what i believe. please, if i am incorrect about this and the Bible states otherwise, then i'll definitely go with that it says, but i haven't found anything that says you must pray the prayer. i thought that the prayer was the only way to go until recently when a jewish friend made me realize otherwise. שמות 14:14 יְהוָ֖ה יִלָּחֵ֣ם לָכֶ֑ם וְאַתֶּ֖ם תַּחֲרִישֽׁוּן׃

Nov 15, 2007, 04:48 pm	#153 (permalink) (top)
nerdvincent NerdyHippieThing 3.1 Location: Who cares? Posts: 827	I agree with you Porfyra. In 2000 years of christianism, many rituals were invented, modified or forgotten without asking the Bible, especially in the Middle Age. Remember that the mass were sung in Latin, and only the priest and the Lord could understand, leaving a lot of liberty to modify the way we worship God. That's why I thinks clericalism is a fake shadow of the original christianism. It's the same for almost every other religions. I think, I'm free.

Nov 15, 2007, 07:12 pm	#155 (permalink) (top)
nerdvincent NerdyHippieThing 3.1 Location: Who cares? Posts: 827	Of course. I think, I'm free.

Nov 15, 2007, 11:19 pm	#156 (permalink) (top)
XFRODOBAGGINSX BANNED Posts: 30	To those who are skeptical: Do you believe that the bible is God's word? If not, why not? I can show you why the bible is true.