How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[Marilyn Monroe]

Quote by: XFRODOBAGGINSX I believe that bible does contain humor.

Where?

[XFRODOBAGGINSX]

Please take the time to read this first post and pray that prayer to God from your heart.

[Jack]

Exactly, Marilyn Monroe. Reading the Bible now, I find many passages that are downright hilarious. But when I was a theist, no one suggested that there was anything remotely humorous in the Bible, and I certainly didn't think there were any.

Being able to laugh at yourself and what life throws at you is the best way to maintain your mental health. Christians supposedly believe that heaven is a place where you worship god for eternity. I've never heard anything about joy and happiness there, let alone humor. Based on their beliefs, I'd wager all the fun's going to be going on in hell.

[Rainbow]

Quote by: XFRODOBAGGINSX How To Get To Heaven When You Die ARE YOU 100% SURE THAT IF YOU DIED TODAY THAT YOU WOULD GO TO HEAVEN?

#1
No clue.
Try a back-door, instead :-)

#2
I am 99.99% certain, the Devil would run off, seeing me in Hell :-)))

[Athena]

Quote by: Rainbow #1 No clue. Try a back-door, instead :-) #2 I am 99.99% certain, the Devil would run off, seeing me in Hell :-)))

Well, if I wound up in hell, I would immediately start doing my best to improve it to my liking. The only thing that could make hell an intolerable place, is if I could no one who was also interested in making it a better place. Actually, I would rather go where I had something meaning to do, rather than end up in perfection and be completely useless.

[Athena]

Quote by: XFRODOBAGGINSX Most of the founding fathers held siminary degrees and quoted from the bible. How can that be if they are not Chrisitian?

I quote the bible and believe there is a God, and this does not make me Christian. Thomas Jefferson rewrote the bible to make it compatible with nature. He wrote of the laws of nature and Nature's God, with knowledge of how the people of Athens and Cicero thought of God.

Notice how many discussions are filled with knowledge of ancient Athens' and Cicero's understanding of morals and God? Watch how far a discussion of Spinoza's understanding of God goes. We all talk of is Christian beliefs again and again and again and again and again, and speak not of other concepts of God, because the Christian ideas are the only thing people know enough to talk about:(. Our forefathers, just as people today, can not talk about things, people are unprepared to talk about. We always have to start with what people know.

Christians like to think every mention of god is the God of Abraham and no matter how many times, it is said some forefathers were Deist, Christians maintain the belief that they all thought of God as a Christian today thinks of God. Christians seem convinced that that unless people agree with them, they don't have God and morals. Our forefathers had God and morals, but it wasn't necessarily the limited biblical understanding of God and morals.

When we accept everything is a matter of cause and effect, we no longer belief there is a God we can malnipulate with our prayers, burning candles, or donating money to the church. We don't believe our imperfections will suddenly drop away when we enter heaven, but that we will be the same as we are on earth, minus physical form. So if we want to be perfect, we better do something about that now, and every day of our lives. Such makes us more moral than those who believe they can malnipulate a God or be saved by a supernatural power.

[Athena]

Quote by: Kuldeep Mostly that is true. But at times you get worked out adjustments or repayments even in dream; particularly when you have unexpected and peculiar dreams. Absolutly tue. One can not change the teprament so easily. But then, firm will power can do it to an extent. I speak what my deep consciousness tells me as a probability. This matches with what people report after having near death experiences (NDEs) Yes, it does ! Here is my own case: My father had only one weak point, he was getting angry very often particularly with our mother. After our mother's death he asked me what has been his mistakes in the life. I remained truthful and told him everything has been perfect but for that Anger you often showed with all, mother in particular. First, he said he is showing that anger for their welfare and teaching them. Second, he asked me to teach how to reduce anger, I being his grown up son and so my duty. I tried at one or two occasions but failed while he was living. His reaction has been that it is not possible to change one's temprament. Then after his death, I saw him one day, in dream rebuking our mother who placed food before him which was not well cooked. In anger, he cried that if she could not cook food well then she need not cook it in future from next day. This made me angry and I caught his collar. I told him, "What happened to you ? Even after death you could change youself as far anger goes." I thrashed him so badly that my dream broke. This left a deep impresion in me that I should not have behaved that way with my father even in the dream. I decided if he won't take food from next day I would also stop. From that day, I donated one time meal for a period of 3 years to any hungry person. This is how sometime dream does affect our daily life !!! There is a possibility for that but very very rare !!! It is better and easy to process your future, whether this life or next lives, when you are living in physical body.

If seems we are talking in circles. You say "But at times you get worked out adjustments or repayments even in dream" and that life between incarnations is like being in dream state. Then you end with, "It is better and easy to process your future, whether this life or next lives, when you are living in physical body". Which is what I said in the beginning.

Breaking the anger response is perhaps the hardest thing to do. Recently, I am trying something new. I am trying to train myself to automatically respond with a Buddhist chant, when I feel intense emotion, and rapidly detach myself from my emotional state. Then I can choose my words and actions, instead of my emotions ruling me.

I know if someone would grab me by the collar and make it clear s/he would not let me get away with hurting others with my angry response, that would change my response, in time. Same as we learn not to stick our hand in a fire when we get burned. Problem is, when we get away with being angry, as grown adults in relation to their our spouses and children, we develop this neural path way and it is automatic, and very hard to change without strong help. But I assure, your father could not express such anger with a boss, as he did with his wife, because he would get fired. We do not respect people who allow us to be at our worst, and like to blame them for our own weakness. He knew he was wrong or he would not have asked for help with anger. He was not fully honest with you or himself, only by being fully honest can we change in ourselves that which we want to change. Perhaps in dream state he will work through such things.

I don't think it is rare we choose our next incarnation. If we abuse power in an incarnation, our lesson needs to be experiencing the other side of that abuse. Then we can develop another problem in the next incarnation, because we are not fully conscious. So, I possibly chose a powerless position in my last incarnation. My reaction may have been to become a violent criminal, as I suspect. TIn this incarnataion, I have neither the power I abused, nor is my position as powerless as the time before, and I can contemplate both sides of the powerful and powerless issue, and question what is justice. How pleasing, to think I can benefit from all these life experiences, and achieve a soul potential greater than our human experience, in anyone incarnation.

[XFRODOBAGGINSX]

Most of the founding fathers had seminary degrees.

[Chris]

heh,

most of the founding fathers were secularists. They would be aghast at the state of "Christian America" today, and would probably be in tears at the sight of crap like this:

[XFRODOBAGGINSX]

You must be living on mars if you think that our country wasn't build on Christianity. History proves you wrong. You have been brainwashed. Do your research.

[Jack]

Feel free to provide your own examples that debunk the historical record as presented in these comments...

The notion that America was founded as a Christian nation is a central animating element of the ideology of the Christian Right. It touches every aspect of life and culture in this, one of the most successful and powerful political movements in American history. The idea that America's supposed Christian identity has somehow been wrongly taken, and must somehow be restored, permeates the psychology and vision of the entire movement. No understanding of the Christian Right is remotely adequate without this foundational concept. But the Christian nationalist narrative has a fatal flaw: it is based on revisionist history that does not stand up under scrutiny...

PublicEye.org - Why the Christian Right Distorts History and Why it Matters

Christian nation advocates love to cite the frequent mentions of a god in the Declaration of Independence while apparently forgetting that the Constitution and Treaty of Tripoli even exist. In writing the Constitution, the framers intentionally set America up as a secular democracy. This was not an accident - it was, as Christians are so fond of saying in other contexts, by design. What Christian extremists are propagating is nothing more than revisionist history, but that doesn't stop it from being dangerous.

Atheist Revolution

Whenever the Supreme Court makes a decision that in any way restricts the intrusion of religion into the affairs of government, a flood of editorials, articles, and letters protesting the ruling is sure to appear in the newspapers. Many protesters decry these decisions on the grounds that they conflict with the wishes and intents of the "founding fathers." Such a view of American history is completely contrary to known facts. The primary leaders of the so-called founding fathers of our nation were not Bible-believing Christians; they were deists. Deism was a philosophical belief that was widely accepted by the colonial intelligentsia at the time of the American Revolution. Its major tenets included belief in human reason as a reliable means of solving social and political problems and belief in a supreme deity who created the universe to operate solely by natural laws. The supreme God of the Deists removed himself entirely from the universe after creating it. They believed that he assumed no control over it, exerted no influence on natural phenomena, and gave no supernatural revelation to man. A necessary consequence of these beliefs was a rejection of many doctrines central to the Christian religion. Deists did not believe in the virgin birth, divinity, or resurrection of Jesus, the efficacy of prayer, the miracles of the Bible, or even the divine inspiration of the Bible.

The Christian Nation Myth

[Chris]

Quote by: XFRODOBAGGINSX You must be living on mars if you think that our country wasn't build on Christianity. History proves you wrong. You have been brainwashed. Do your research.

what history? If anything the founding fathers were deists. Not uber right wing christian bible thumpers.

[nerdvincent]

So what? If you were president, would you integrate Bible in the school routine? teach creationism instead of darwin? Give fine to people who don't attend church?
"A nation under a god", part of a forgotten national anthem: which God? Allah? Why not Qu'ran instead of Bible? Oh man, which fairytale is the best?
Give me a pro-Bible argument that cannot be applied to the Qu'ran, then tell me why you believe in Jesus instead of Mohammet.

[nerdvincent]

Or buddha? Socrates? Rael?

[Chris]

Quote by: XFRODOBAGGINSX You must be living on mars if you think that our country wasn't build on Christianity. History proves you wrong. You have been brainwashed. Do your research.

Show me where it mentions God and where it says we are a christian nation here

that is the law of the land my man.

[nerdvincent]

The fact is, even if America was intended to be a christian nation, and I don't know if it's the case, we cannot put any practical law to get a christian population: people would just emmigrate in Mexico. Then America will be inhabited by half a dozen of christian integrist or so: pre-2001 Afganistan at his peak, plus high-tech weapons of mass destruction.

[nerdvincent]

And the few other brainwashed dum-dum patriotic enough to follow 'cause America told them so.

[Chris]

funny how in England (which has a national religion) has more atheists than America- who is supposed to be secular.

[nerdvincent]

Indeed.

[Marilyn Monroe]

Quote by: Chris funny how in England (which has a national religion) has more atheists than America- who is supposed to be secular.

I always thought this was because of all the wars they've had. America hasn't had a "Hitler" or a "Stalin". Those two guys would make anybody not believe.