How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[Jack]

While I don't know, somehow I'll bet the former is true.

What impartial reason would you have to prefer one answer over the other, or either reason?

I like Christians. I like them a lot better than a great many Muslims - Lots and Lots better. Don't you agree?

I think both groups are superstitious and far too defensive of their outdated beliefs. But if you mean as individuals, I make those judgments on a person-by-person basis. One's religious beliefs have little if anything to do with whether or not I find them to be pleasant company. However, I'd be glad to take Rev. Phelps, tie him back-to-back with a Muslim suicide bomber and drop them both out of a plane at altitude. Let's see which one's god decides to save whom.

[XFRODOBAGGINSX]

Muslims serve a false God. Christians serve a risen Savior. Christians know that Jesus is true because He rose from the dead and lives inside their heart.

[ibm]

how to get to heaven? i safely assume by airplane will be faster and safer than by car or train or on one's feet?

i'd prefer continental over united though.

but seriously, heaven can kiss my arse.

[Jack]

Quote by: XFRODOBAGGINSX Muslims serve a false God. Christians serve a risen Savior. Christians know that Jesus is true because He rose from the dead and lives inside their heart.

“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.”

[Stephen F Roberts]

[Kuldeep]

Quote by: 5010 Kuldeep, Yes, whether reported miracles are directly caused by metaphysical forces or by error or ignorance about nature is debatable. I believe that if spirit was metaphysical then it would not be so easily controlled by the physical. I am not convinced by the claims made by the bible and its interpreters, and I do not consider anything written by humans in human language to be anything other than the Word Of Man. The authors of all bibles, even the King James Version, are all human. But just because they are human does not prove they are wrong, but that they are prone to error and capable of deception.

Agreed, I would say it is correctly said

Instead, the Word of the Creator is Creation Itself. To listen to this Word, I recommend studying Nature.

Many times, I have given my feeling properties of Creator is Creation. Your recommendation of studying nature is verymuch appropriate. Physical part is fine and possible to believe. But, metaphysical part like intutions, past life memories etc., are termed as chance which is not cent percent correct. There has to have some base, which also need be paid attention.

[Athena]

Quote by: XFRODOBAGGINSX Muslims serve a false God. Christians serve a risen Savior. Christians know that Jesus is true because He rose from the dead and lives inside their heart.

Muslims worship the same God of Abraham that Jews and Christians worship. Mohammed also rose from the dead, if we want to believe these Christian and Muslims stories, and there is no reason for believing one is telling true stories and the other is not.

[Athena]

Quote by: Kuldeep Agreed, I would say it is correctly said Many times, I have given my feeling properties of Creator is Creation. Your recommendation of studying nature is verymuch appropriate. Physical part is fine and possible to believe. But, metaphysical part like intutions, past life memories etc., are termed as chance which is not cent percent correct. There has to have some base, which also need be paid attention.

Our Declaration of Independence speaks of "the laws of nature and nature's God". Democracy is based on a belief that material existence is a manifestation of God, but this is a Deist understanding of God, not a Christian one.

As for getting to heaven, I don't believe there is one place called heaven that good souls experiences in the after life, such as the Egyptian happy after life given to those whose hearts are judged good by Isis. There is no more reason to believe the Egyptian stories, than the Christian, or Muslim ones.
However, Plato defined the soul as separate from body, and many believe we have souls that live after our bodies die. I agree with Kuldeep that we have reason to believe our souls do reincarnate.

[XFRODOBAGGINSX]

Most of the founding fathers held siminary degrees and quoted from the bible. How can that be if they are not Chrisitian?

[Matt W]

Err...they know how to read?

Try here:

Nearly two-thirds (of Americans) say nation’s founders intended ‘Christian nation’

[Thanatos]

Quote by: Matt W Err...they know how to read? Try here: Nearly two-thirds (of Americans) say nation’s founders intended ‘Christian nation’

I love mods who aren't afraid to make people look stupid. Too often websites are plagued by management that insists on being fair and balanced and wouldn't call bullshit even if they tasted it.

[war warrior]

when you die take a flashlight and a camera.

[war warrior]

when i die, i'll take a bunch of flashlights and cameras

[war warrior]

i think the bus might serve some better traveling purpose

[Kuldeep]

Quote by: war warrior when you die take a flashlight and a camera. when i die, i'll take a bunch of flashlights and cameras. i think the bus might serve some better traveling purpose

When you would die you would loose physical control over the physical world and would move in metaphysical world. To provide you a clear cut true copy of the situation, you would feel exactly as if you are dreaming. In dream no physical world can have contact with you nor can have you with physical world. You are living in your own world of dream. Sameway, you would remain in the world of after life !

So there is no question of flash lights, camera or the bus. Everything works in thoughts in the metaphysical world. You may come across other known faces as in dream. It is also possible you might watch this physical world but, you may not be able to communicate as you would be invisible !

[Athena]

Quote by: Kuldeep When you would die you would loose physical control over the physical world and would move in metaphysical world. To provide you a clear cut true copy of the situation, you would feel exactly as if you are dreaming. In dream no physical world can have contact with you nor can have you with physical world. You are living in your own world of dream. Sameway, you would remain in the world of after life ! So there is no question of flash lights, camera or the bus. Everything works in thoughts in the metaphysical world. You may come across other known faces as in dream. It is also possible you might watch this physical world but, you may not be able to communicate as you would be invisible !

It is my understanding, any karma issues we have, have to be worked out in the physical plane.

Those who die prejudiced, or ill tempered, will be just as they are when they cross over. There is no being or place that magically makes humans fit for the Christian concept of heaven. What happens to us when we cross over is the rsult of our own choices.

Kuldeep, I never heard this explained as like being in a dream state, but that would make sense. During the night we process our lives and our dream time can influence our wake time. I can image our period between incarnations, to be a time of processing our lives, and determining what we want to experience next.

[Arawn-ap-Hywel]

Quote by: XFRODOBAGGINSX The cause for death in the spirit is sin.

Seems a very controversial statement. XFX

How would you define sin to result in the death of the spirit.

Liberating a cookie from Grandma's jar when she told you not too touch them or blowing up a village of hostiles who may have been harbouring an undesirable terrorist?

Is it the sin that kills the spirit or the acceptance that such a thing as sin exists? Is that what kills you? Have you sinned and are thus forsaken?

[Kuldeep]

Quote by: Athena It is my understanding, any karma issues we have, have to be worked out in the physical plane.

Mostly that is true. But at times you get worked out adjustments or repayments even in dream; particularly when you have unexpected and peculiar dreams.

Those who die prejudiced, or ill tempered, will be just as they are when they cross over. There is no being or place that magically makes humans fit for the Christian concept of heaven. What happens to us when we cross over is the rsult of our own choices.

Absolutly tue. One can not change the teprament so easily. But then, firm will power can do it to an extent.

Kuldeep, I never heard this explained as like being in a dream state, but that would make sense.

I speak what my deep consciousness tells me as a probability. This matches with what people report after having near death experiences (NDEs)

During the night we process our lives and our dream time can influence our wake time.

Yes, it does ! Here is my own case:

My father had only one weak point, he was getting angry very often particularly with our mother. After our mother's death he asked me what has been his mistakes in the life. I remained truthful and told him everything has been perfect but for that Anger you often showed with all, mother in particular. First, he said he is showing that anger for their welfare and teaching them. Second, he asked me to teach how to reduce anger, I being his grown up son and so my duty. I tried at one or two occasions but failed while he was living. His reaction has been that it is not possible to change one's temprament.

Then after his death, I saw him one day, in dream rebuking our mother who placed food before him which was not well cooked. In anger, he cried that if she could not cook food well then she need not cook it in future from next day. This made me angry and I caught his collar. I told him, "What happened to you ? Even after death you could change youself as far anger goes." I thrashed him so badly that my dream broke.

This left a deep impresion in me that I should not have behaved that way with my father even in the dream. I decided if he won't take food from next day I would also stop. From that day, I donated one time meal for a period of 3 years to any hungry person. This is how sometime dream does affect our daily life !!!
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I can image our period between incarnations, to be a time of processing our lives, and determining what we want to experience next.

There is a possibility for that but very very rare !!! It is better and easy to process your future, whether this life or next lives, when you are living in physical body.

[Marilyn Monroe]

Quote by: XFRODOBAGGINSX ARE YOU 100% SURE THAT IF YOU DIED TODAY THAT YOU WOULD GO TO HEAVEN? THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT YOU SHOULD KNOW: 1. REALIZE THAT YOU ARE A SINNER AND IN NEED OF A SAVIOR: Ro 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" Ro 3:10 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:" This all began with the story of Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. God created them perfect, there was no death or sorrow. God told them not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They disobeyed God and as a result, sin entered into the world. The pain which this world sees is the result of sin. 2. BECAUSE OF OUR SINS, WE DIE BOTH SPIRITUALLY AND PHYSICALLY, BUT GOD SENT HIS SON TO TAKE OUR PUNISHMENT AND GIVE US A CHANCE NOT TO HAVE TO GO TO HELL. Ro 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Ro 5:8 "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." Every person who has ever lived is a sinner and is not righteous because we do bad things. A sin is a crime against God, just as if you steal something at the store, it is punishable by going to jail. It's the same thing with sin. Even if we lie one time, the punishment is hell, which is a prison for those who commit crimes against God. No matter how well you live your life from then on, you have already committed a sin which will be punished if you are not pardoned. If you commit a crime, and then live as a good citizen you still will go to jail for the crime you committed. Right? Just as the president can pardon a crime so you won't go to jail, Jesus can pardon your sins so that you do not go to hell, and can go to heaven when you die. 3. IF WE WILL ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST AS OUR LORD WITH OUR MOUTHS AND BELIEVE IN OUR HEARTS THAT HE ROSE FROM THE DEAD, BY DOING THIS WE ARE RECEIVING HIM: Ro 10:9,10 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: {power: or, the right, or, privilege} (KJV) You cannot get to heaven by being a good person, going to church, baptism or any other way other than by turning to Jesus and asking Him to forgive you for your sins and save you. While these are good things to do, some people believe that they will get to heaven if they do these things, but the bible says that there is only one way to heaven and that is through receiving what Jesus Christ did on the cross for you. Will you do that today? If you will, you can be 100% sure that you will go to heaven when you die. DO YOU BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST DIED ON THE CROSS AND ROSE FROM THE DEAD FOR YOUR SINS? DO YOU ACCEPT WHAT HE DID FOR YOU TO PAY FOR YOUR SINS? 4. If you are willing to receive Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior please pray this right now, from your heart to God, "Dear LORD JESUS, I believe that YOU died on the Cross and Rose from the dead for my sins. I ask you to come into my heart and forgive me for my sins, take me to heaven when I die. I now receive You as my Lord and Savior. Thank You for saving me. In Jesus holy name, Amen." If you prayed that prayer from your heart to God, and meant it with all of your heart, you are now a child of God and will go to heaven when you die. Now that you are on your way to heaven, you should attend a bible believing church and follow in baptism.

It's all about sin, sin, sin. Where did sin come from? I'd say, God. We are all born with this huge need to sin.

I've never seen a God with a sense of humor, who fluffs stuff off. Too serious, and too much about sin, and guilt. Why should we be so guilty? Life is hard enough.

[Jack]

I've never seen a God with a sense of humor

I've heard it said that the lack of a sense of humor is a sign of a mental problem. People who lack a healthy (there's a reason I use that term) sense of humor are not mentally complete or well. If most gods were real, they'd be mentally unstable, mentally ill.

The Bible also contains no humor. That's rather telling, too.

[XFRODOBAGGINSX]

I believe that bible does contain humor.