How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[Jack]

All of the evidence and yet you choose to ignore it.

Hardly the type of "evidence" to convince anyone even slightly skeptical, more the type to be accepted only be those predisposed to believe. Have ghosts been proven to exist? I don't think so, any more than the supernatural realm has been shown to exist.

[shawmutt]

But we do know what happens after you die. Your body and all its parts, everything that comprises you, decomposes. The body's framework, the skeleton, lasts longer being composed of calcium which is more resistant to rapid decomposition. Even it eventually returns to the Earth unless preserved by some means.

That's what we see after that particular person dies, not what happens after we die.

What I'm telling you is that you have no idea what will happen after you die, and since no one else does either you should treat all beliefs with respect. Respect is something that many in your generation lack

I like when a fellow UU said: "Most Unitarian Universalists believe that nobody has a monopoly on all truth, or ultimate proof of the truth of everything in any one belief. Therefore, one's own truth is unprovable, as is that of others. Consequently, we should respect the beliefs of others, as well as their right to hold those beliefs. Conversely, we expect that others should respect our right to our own beliefs. Several UU's then, would likely hold as many different beliefs. Other beliefs they may hold in common are a respect for others, for nature, and for common decency, leading to a particular caring for the poor, the weak and the downtrodden. As a result, issues of justice, including social justice are held in common among most. — Gene Douglas, Harrah, OK"

On a different note, quantum physics really messes with your reality.

[Jack]

not what happens after we die

Are you speaking metaphysically?

Since the brain has ceased functioning, whatever formed that body's personality has also ceased to be. What's left is the physical shell, and so what we see is all that's happening after death to the individual.

[Kuldeep]

Quote by: Isherwood Are you speaking metaphysically? Since the brain has ceased functioning, whatever formed that body's personality has also ceased to be. What's left is the physical shell, and so what we see is all that's happening after death to the individual.

Is your personality in a dream physical or metaphysical ??? It definitely is not physical since, if you are sleeping in the room of your house and you are dreaming yourself on a picnic spot. You are metaphysically at the picnic spot. Something similar is your status of personality after you come out of physical shell at the time of your death. You put 0% chances to this because, there would be 0% communication between physical world with your that state of personality. There are numerous examples of such communications from a number of people with their friends and relatives belonging to different faiths.

But, alas there is no scientific proof, for which persons like you say that such a happening is not possible. At least could you not say it might be possible !!! Anyway choice is yours.

[Nono]

Quote by: Kuldeep At least could you not say it might be possible !!!

Well there's the whole problem with atheism -- it's a faith.

[XFRODOBAGGINSX]

Why not just do that Jesus Himself said you have to do?

[Nono]

Mystic stuff, X. Mind being a little clearer?

[XFRODOBAGGINSX]

???

[Kuldeep]

Quote by: Nono Well there's the whole problem with atheism -- it's a faith.

"Something is there" but no proof.....That is faith !!

"Something might be there", but can be neither proved nor disproved...That is uncertainity


"Nothing is there", since nothing can be neither proved nor disproved...That is prejudice

[XFRODOBAGGINSX]

Is it faith to believe in evolution, even though the evidence doesn't point toward it?

[Jack]

If a person objectively looks at the evidence of evolution and can't understand that it supports the theory of evolution, then they don't need faith. They need a decent education in science.

[Nono]

Fine as far as it goes. Believing in evolution, or the proposition that 2+2 = 4, has nothing to do with positively refusing to consider the possibility of some sort of Supreme Intelligence (with or without white robes and beard).

[HelioPrime]

Where's the option for the unknown? Belief in an intelligent creation, and accept there might be an afterlife?

I've been to a unitarian service here at the CT society, It's kinda nice to be in a room of adults who accept not one of them can truely know the truth about religion while still having faith!

[XFRODOBAGGINSX]

That would go under "other"

[Deadeye]

Quote by: SoylentGreen No thanks, sounds like far to much effort just to spend eternity with such a siily god

You have no idea whether God is silly or not. Nor do you know if He exists or not. When you finally kick the bucket something is going to happen to you. Either there will be nothing at all, or there will be something. If it's something you'd like it to be nice, but you may not have any say in the matter. I believe that you don't.

But saying that those who believe in Christianity are definitely wrong, is foolish, because you have no idea of what is and is not true. You are simply guessing.

Believing in Christ makes Christians happy. You should applaud them for their contentment. You should allow them to practice their religion. After all to you it's no biggie, right? So let them be, and then try to be nice okay?

[TheStripey1]

Quote by: XFRODOBAGGINSX Why not just do that Jesus Himself said you have to do?

Were you there when HE supposedly said all that stuff? Or are you basing your beliefs on something some man wrote a long long long time ago?

Going to heaven after you die has as much validity for Christians as Muslims believing they will have 72 virgins waiting for them after they've martyred themselves blowing up others.

No one has died, gone to the "afterlife" and then returned to tell us about it. NO ONE!

[Jack]

So let them be, and then try to be nice okay?

Can you get them to do the same, leave those be who don't agree with them?

[Deadeye]

Quote by: TheStripey1 Going to heaven after you die has as much validity for Christians as Muslims believing they will have 72 virgins waiting for them after they've martyred themselves blowing up others. No one has died, gone to the "afterlife" and then returned to tell us about it. NO ONE!

Nnooooo. You think, or you believe that no one has died and then come back. But you really don't know for sure. You can't. Do be so positive you'd have had to be present at each and every death, and then watched the body for a while. You haven't done that.

If you don't want to believe in the story of Christ so be it. No one is forcing you to believe. But you have absolutely no right to tell Christians that they are full of beans. You are only guessing....

[Deadeye]

Quote by: Isherwood Can you get them to do the same, leave those be who don't agree with them?

Are you telling me that some Christians have been mean to you after you've been mean to them? Or are you claiming that Christians have been mean to you when you posted your opinion in a kind and understanding way?

While I don't know, somehow I'll bet the former is true.

I like Christians. I like them a lot better than a great many Muslims - Lots and Lots better. Don't you agree?

[Jack]

But you have absolutely no right to tell Christians that they are full of beans.

Wait now, this works both ways. You want to be able to tell us what to think (that Christians are not "full of beans") while denying us the right to tell Christians what we think of their beliefs? In the U.S. at least, freedom of speech permits us to say what we wish about Christians and they to say what they wish about us.

If, by our standards and understanding, Christian belief is misguided and nonsensical, we'll say so. I haven't seen Christians very hesitant to express their opinions of atheists.