How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[Deadeye]

Quote by: tinybear My sentiments exactly. I'm thinking of moving to Oregon. :)

Give me a call when you arrive. We'll sit on my deck next to the river and chat. We'll wave at the people as the float by, bobbing in their blow up rafts.

[Arawn-ap-Hywel]

And if you reject heaven?

[SoylentGreen]

Quote by: Arawn-ap-Hywel And if you reject heaven?

Yes and hell to

[Nono]

Quote by: Deadeye Give me a call when you arrive. We'll sit on my deck next to the river and chat.

Hmm... You wouldn't be an acquaintance of Logjam by any chance?

[tinybear]

Quote by: Deadeye Give me a call when you arrive. We'll sit on my deck next to the river and chat. We'll wave at the people as the float by, bobbing in their blow up rafts.

I think I'll move there when I'm about to die. Right now however I'm in my early 20s and in splendid health. So don't hold your breath waiting.

[The Dunedan]

Heh heh heh. There was a priest at my church when I was a teenager who used to play that song on the piano and sing along at church parties. Having him around was rather like having a church run by a Polish version of Friar Tuck (minus the drunkenness). The man knew more jokes than anyone I've ever met, and about half of them cracked on the Church. He danced the Irish dances on St. Pats and the Mexican dances on Cinco de Mayo and the Feast Of Our Lady of Guadalupe, and carried a squirt-gun under his vestments in case someone snored. His humour and humanity made him very popular with the parish, although you can imagine that they grated on his superiors. Magnificent man. Thanks for reminding me of him.

[Kuldeep]

Is heaven out there ...where to locate it after we die ??

[Deadeye]

Quote by: Nono Hmm... You wouldn't be an acquaintance of Logjam by any chance?

Huh? He's dead I think.

[Deadeye]

Quote by: SoylentGreen Yes and hell to

Boy, you are going to be really pissed if after you die it's there. Fact is you don't know what's going to happen after you kick than does anyone else.

Oh, sure some think that they know, and no one can say for sure if they are wrong.

[SoylentGreen]

Quote by: Deadeye Boy, you are going to be really pissed if after you die it's there. Fact is you don't know what's going to happen after you kick than does anyone else. Oh, sure some think that they know, and no one can say for sure if they are wrong.

Trying to scare me into believing?
Is that why you believe because your scared of hell?

Besides at least I will be in good company there and who knows if I try really hard maybe after a few thousand years I might get promoted to be one of the tormentors.

[Deadeye]

Quote by: SoylentGreen Trying to scare me into believing?

No that'll happen when the time comes.

What I'm telling you is that you have no idea what will happen after you die, and since no one else does either you should treat all beliefs with respect. Respect is something that many in your generation lack.

[5010]

Quote by: XFRODOBAGGINSX ARE YOU 100% SURE THAT IF YOU DIED TODAY THAT YOU WOULD GO TO HEAVEN?

I am sure that I won't go to heaven. The collection of cells that we recognise as a human body no longer functions at death. The dead body can only go where others carry it. The relationships between the cells that produce the mind end when the cells no longer function. The dead mind simply does not exist at any location other than the time-space occupied by the functioning body..

2. BECAUSE OF OUR SINS, WE DIE BOTH SPIRITUALLY AND PHYSICALLY, BUT GOD SENT HIS SON TO TAKE OUR PUNISHMENT AND GIVE US A CHANCE NOT TO HAVE TO GO TO HELL

A dead body has no spirit, no personality, no drive. The cause of death in spirit is the same as the cause of death in body. It could be an accident, or disease.

[SoylentGreen]

Deadeye No that'll happen when the time comes.

How do you know that will happen when as you say no one knows. Why should I believe this ?

Do you think that telling people they will go to hell if they don't take up your religion is respecting their non belief. To me it sounds like fear mongering and I have no respect for that kind of religion.
I have met many religious people who do not try to convince me that eternal damnation awaits me and I have respect for there belief.
And what generation do you think I belong to.

[Kuldeep]

Quote by: 5010 I am sure that I won't go to heaven. The collection of cells that we recognise as a human body no longer functions at death. The dead body can only go where others carry it. The relationships between the cells that produce the mind end when the cells no longer function. The dead mind simply does not exist at any location other than the time-space occupied by the functioning body..

"The relationships between the cells that produce the mind end when the cells no longer function."

Why they do not fuction ? I do not think, it is that easy as you have put it. I agree, you are correct physically speaking. Nobody, till now has understood why cells function, what makes neurons to develop electrial impulse, who develops emotions, what is origin of thought, why persons have NDE's that too relating to their faith and religions, persons showing signs of life after gap of hours...and many other miracle type of things happening around. We are to submit that something metasphysical do exist. I won't say heaven and hell exist, but existence in feeling sense (Something we are remains, probably as in dreams) could exist after death...Proof is not possible though !!!

A dead body has no spirit, no personality, no drive. The cause of death in spirit is the same as the cause of death in body. It could be an accident, or disease.

Spirits, they believe are without bodies, how can they have similar cause of death as ours ???

[Chris]

Quote by: XFRODOBAGGINSX 3. IF WE WILL ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST AS OUR LORD WITH OUR MOUTHS AND BELIEVE IN OUR HEARTS THAT HE ROSE FROM THE DEAD, BY DOING THIS WE ARE RECEIVING HIM: Ro 10:9,10 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: {power: or, the right, or, privilege} (KJV) You cannot get to heaven by being a good person, going to church, baptism or any other way other than by turning to Jesus and asking Him to forgive you for your sins and save you. While these are good things to do, some people believe that they will get to heaven if they do these things, but the bible says that there is only one way to heaven and that is through receiving what Jesus Christ did on the cross for you. Will you do that today? If you will, you can be 100% sure that you will go to heaven when you die.

Well if you are not a troll, you can answer this question I posed here.

If all it takes is a few magic words spoken by mouth, and a few sprinklings and or immersion in some magic water, -what about those who cannot speak by mouth? i.e. handicapped persons?

[Jack]

Quote by: Deadeye What I'm telling you is that you have no idea what will happen after you die, and since no one else does either you should treat all beliefs with respect. Respect is something that many in your generation lack.

But we do know what happens after you die. Your body and all its parts, everything that comprises you, decomposes. The body's framework, the skeleton, lasts longer being composed of calcium which is more resistant to rapid decomposition. Even it eventually returns to the Earth unless preserved by some means.

All beliefs regarding the supposed part of a person that doesn't die, the soul or spirit, are grounded in fantasy and superstition. There's no evidence that souls or spirits exist. There's no reason to respect them equally, but there is obvious reason to view them all with healthy skepticism and disbelief as long as they remain articles of faith.

[5010]

Kuldeep,
Yes, whether reported miracles are directly caused by metaphysical forces or by error or ignorance about nature is debatable. I believe that if spirit was metaphysical then it would not be so easily controlled by the physical. I am not convinced by the claims made by the bible and its interpreters, and I do not consider anything written by humans in human language to be anything other than the Word Of Man. The authors of all bibles, even the King James Version, are all human. But just because they are human does not prove they are wrong, but that they are prone to error and capable of deception. Instead, the Word of the Creator is Creation Itself. To listen to this Word, I recommend studying Nature.

And yes they believe that spirits are without bodies, but I have never experienced such things in a reliable manner. Of course, there is energy emitted from bodies, but what function can it have other than interface of heat/information.etc? My experience with life and death of machines and organisms is that spirit is a measure of function, and function is produced by the physical system, and all such things have a bounded location on the big time-space map. If I think of Eternity as a road, then I consider Spirit to be a house on the road. So on the road of time, you and I live here, but our dead ancestors are alive behind us, and our progeny are alive ahead of us. I use the term 'are' because when one thinks of time as a dimension, all events are mapped simultaneously and do not cease to exist on their time location even though they do not exist across the whole road. So while I am writing this, my ancestors are busy doing their thing in their time and my progeny are likewise in their time. I do not need to worry about an 'afterlife' because my existance cannot be taken from this time and place by any force as far as I know. Of course this is an uncommon opinion.

[ibm]

How to make sure to get to heaven? You can -

walk
ride a bike/train
sail a boat
drive a car
in a wheel chair
on blades
buy a ticket and on board a plane or a spaceship
have someone to put you on his/her back
etc.

The ways are numerous, you know.

[Nono]

Quote by: Deadeye (Logjam is) dead I think.

What makes you say that?

[XFRODOBAGGINSX]

Quote by: 5010 I am sure that I won't go to heaven. The collection of cells that we recognise as a human body no longer functions at death. The dead body can only go where others carry it. The relationships between the cells that produce the mind end when the cells no longer function. The dead mind simply does not exist at any location other than the time-space occupied by the functioning body.. A dead body has no spirit, no personality, no drive. The cause of death in spirit is the same as the cause of death in body. It could be an accident, or disease.

You really don't believe that there is a spiritual realm? Ever heard of a ghost? All of the supernatural phenomina. All of the evidence and yet you choose to ignore it. The cause for death in the spirit is sin.