How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[Kuldeep]

Quote by: Ken Carman I sense we disagree regarding what I'm about to say but... Then you will never achieve absolute perfect... ever. I have known many religious people who cliam to eliminate ego, individuality... etc. Every single one has either been a fraud or delusional. That doesn't mean there can't be such, I just have my doubts.

At the outset, let me tell you what I mean by EGO, which possibily you too mean samething. From your further posts I could gather that.

EGO IS JUST THE FEELING THAT LIVING-BEING EXIST AS SOMETHING !!!

The Ego of known many religious people who cliam to eliminate ego, you are refering is not the EGO I am refering. Agreed, they could have been noble persons having no proud, helping others without expecting anything in return...etc etc.

Indeed I would be suspicious of any diety, or religious leader, who would ask we do so. I suspect the ego, and individuality, is something we are expected to treasure, if we use as wisely as possible. That last caveat is crucial and wisdom is a matter of perspective. What one thinks is wise for the moment one may find less than so in the future... and the opposite is true as well.

The ego, and individuality, is something we are expected to treasure, if we use as wisely as possible. Perfectly you are correct, in saying that. My only point is that even in extreme "Nobleness of Individualistic Ego" i.e. Individual consciousness remains imperfect when compared with the consciousness, whose Ego of Individuality is erased.

I also suspect that God knows this ands is more forgiving than our religious leaders will admit.

After that erasing of Individual Consciousness, ONE develops a Universal Consciousness existing in the whole of Universe/Universes. His individuality dissolves into infinite. That Universal Consciousness belongs to SOMETHING which one can give the name of GOD or DOG reverse does not matter. But that stage is only as "Absolute Perfect Stage".

Exactly on similar lines Individual Consciousness belongs to SOMETHING which is di-illusioned with respect to his body. That way Individual and God is same but for that matter of Individuality EGO, they are different.

So to me, there is no separate GOD existing anywhere but, your own Conscience records your actions and pays reward or punishment as per the nature of action which one admits has committed. Not forgiving bussiness according to simple theory "As you sow so shall you reap"

[Ken Carman]

Quote by: Kuldeep At the outset, let me tell you what I mean by EGO, which possibily you too mean samething. From your further posts I could gather that. EGO IS JUST THE FEELING THAT LIVING-BEING EXIST AS SOMETHING !!! The Ego of known many religious people who cliam to eliminate ego, you are refering is not the EGO I am refering. Agreed, they could have been noble persons having no proud, helping others without expecting anything in return...etc etc. The ego, and individuality, is something we are expected to treasure, if we use as wisely as possible. Perfectly you are correct, in saying that. My only point is that even in extreme "Nobleness of Individualistic Ego" i.e. Individual consciousness remains imperfect when compared with the consciousness, whose Ego of Individuality is erased. After that erasing of Individual Consciousness, ONE develops a Universal Consciousness existing in the whole of Universe/Universes. His individuality dissolves into infinite. That Universal Consciousness belongs to SOMETHING which one can give the name of GOD or DOG reverse does not matter. But that stage is only as "Absolute Perfect Stage". Exactly on similar lines Individual Consciousness belongs to SOMETHING which is di-illusioned with respect to his body. That way Individual and God is same but for that matter of Individuality EGO, they are different. So to me, there is no separate GOD existing anywhere but, your own Conscience records your actions and pays reward or punishment as per the nature of action which one admits has committed. Not forgiving bussiness according to simple theory "As you sow so shall you reap"

EGO IS JUST THE FEELING THAT LIVING-BEING EXIST AS SOMETHING !!!

Close. Not quite. I have met a few people who I wonder if they have ego because they are so flat emotionally, so with me... yes, but opinion of self works into the definition.

[Foxfyre]

Just as the word 'love' can have many defnitions, depending on context, so does the word 'ego':

e·go (g, g)
n. pl. e·gos
1. The self, especially as distinct from the world and other selves.

or

2. In psychoanalysis, the division of the psyche that is conscious, most immediately controls thought and behavior, and is most in touch with external reality.

or

3.
a. An exaggerated sense of self-importance; conceit.

or
b. Appropriate pride in oneself; self-esteem

To argue the definition within one context when the other person is defining it within another context is certain to leave one spinning one's wheels within the discussion.

[XFRODOBAGGINSX]

Mic 6:8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

[nerdvincent]

Ok and beside jumping in and spamming bible quotes can you give any argument?

[Ken Carman]

Quote by: nerdvincent Ok and beside jumping in and spamming bible quotes can you give any argument?

Oh, come on Nerdvincent! It's the Bible Troll!

All hail the Bible Troll!

(Now with extra biblical quote ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMM!)

[nerdvincent]

Oh! Sorry then. (Does the new version include Juda's gospel?)

[Ken Carman]

Or hopefully Biff''s?

[nerdvincent]

Hahaha awesome Gotta get this book. That and the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

[XFRODOBAGGINSX]

I believe in the existance in the God of the bible because:

1) The hundreds of the Prophecies of Jesus Christ that were written hundreds of years before His first comming that came true in Him.

2) The way that the bible was written by God through 40 people in different parts of the world, some were rich, some were poor and yet it doesn't contradict. How in the world could that be?

3) I PERSONALLY know God. I have relationship with Him and He has spoken to me both audibly and performed miracles in my life and my family.

4) Testimony of many, many others who have died, were brain dead and either went to hell (if the weren't a Christian) or went to heaven (the ones that WERE a Christian), some met Jesus. Their testimonies are too similar and they don't even know each other.

5) The way that the demonically possessed people react to the name and the blood of Jesus Christ. I have personally seen demons and have done battle with them.

6) All of the signs that are going on in the world today that perfectly line up with the bible predictions. For instance:

a) The bible predicted that there would be a revived roman empire in the end. (the European union is the revived roman empire)

b) The bible predicts the 666, or the mark of the beast (people are getting micro chips implanted under their skin right now voluntarily, but many think it will turn into the mark of the beast.) It predicts that no one will be able to buy/sell unless they recieve the mark of the beast and eventually anyone who takes the mark will be murdered. This is because the Christians will be removed from the world and satan will possess a body of a man who will become the world dictator.

C) The bible predicts a one world government. Did you know that U.S., Canada and Mexico are going to merge soon? Ever heard of the New World Order? Ever heard of a globalist? Ever heard of a nafta superhighway? These terms are all linked to the New World Order, which George Bush Sr. Predicted in 1990, which is also predicted in the bible.

D) The bible predicted that homosexuality would become prominent. To paraphrase, it said "as it was in the days of lot, so shall it be in the day of the comming..." It also said that it would be as the days of noah. In noah's day, there was widespread violence on the earth. Some would relate this to terrorism.

E) Israel as a nation ceased to be in 70 A.D. The bible predicted that they would become a nation again, which they did in 1948 a.d. and that they would reclaim Jerusalem, which they did in 1967 a.d. It says that Jerusalem would be trampled of the gentiles until the time of the gentiles be fulfilled.

I could go on and on and on, but I have EVERY reason to believe that the bible is true and that the Lord's comming is very near. You need to get ready. Read this first post and pray that prayer at the bottom of it to God from your heart.

[ChinUp]

XFRODOBAGGINSX .. what makes you think heaven is elsewhere ? What makes you think God is elsewhere ?

[Marilyn Monroe]

Quote by: ChinUp XFRODOBAGGINSX .. what makes you think heaven is elsewhere ? What makes you think God is elsewhere ?

If you think about it, that makes a lot of sense. I see God around me. Don't need a poorly written book to find Him. The bible really limits what God is.

[ChinUp]

Marilyn Monroe .. don't you think making out God is a man or woman (deity) limits God just like bibles do ?

Its like looking into a lake, when all you can see is your own reflection your missing out on the real depth of natural excellence right under your nose.

[Chris]

Quote by: Marilyn Monroe If you think about it, that makes a lot of sense. I see God around me. Don't need a poorly written book to find Him. The bible really limits what God is.

without that poorly written book, you would have no concept of "god" or even know about his existence.

you make no sense.

so explain further, are you a theist, deist, or a pantheist?

[nerdvincent]

Quote by: Chris without that poorly written book, you would have no concept of "god" or even know about his existence. you make no sense. so explain further, are you a theist, deist, or a pantheist?

In my case I'm Ignostic with a preference for pantheism.

[Marilyn Monroe]

Quote by: ChinUp Marilyn Monroe .. don't you think making out God is a man or woman (deity) limits God just like bibles do ? Its like looking into a lake, when all you can see is your own reflection your missing out on the real depth of natural excellence right under your nose.

God is what you want Him to be.

[Chris]

Quote by: XFRODOBAGGINSX I believe in the existance in the God of the bible because: 1) The hundreds of the Prophecies of Jesus Christ that were written hundreds of years before His first comming that came true in Him.

Very laughable. The same could be said of David Koresh.

2) The way that the bible was written by God through 40 people in different parts of the world, some were rich, some were poor and yet it doesn't contradict. How in the world could that be?

Actually it contradicts itself 1362 times.

3) I PERSONALLY know God. I have relationship with Him and He has spoken to me both audibly and performed miracles in my life and my family.

In any other instance of someone hearing voices people are deemed mentally insane. Place "god" in place of "voices" and everything is ok.

4) Testimony of many, many others who have died, were brain dead and either went to hell (if the weren't a Christian) or went to heaven (the ones that WERE a Christian), some met Jesus. Their testimonies are too similar and they don't even know each other.

Research Lucid dreams.

5) The way that the demonically possessed people react to the name and the blood of Jesus Christ. I have personally seen demons and have done battle with them.

so-called demonic possessions are unprovable. They are nothing more than fraud.

6) All of the signs that are going on in the world today that perfectly line up with the bible predictions. For instance: a) The bible predicted that there would be a revived roman empire in the end. (the European union is the revived roman empire)

Can you #1 quote the bible prediction by verse - which is open to interpretation anyway - written by men. and can you #2 make a stronger connection that the EU is the new "roman Empire" a system of government invented by man, with a political center in Brussels.

b) The bible predicts the 666, or the mark of the beast (people are getting micro chips implanted under their skin right now voluntarily, but many think it will turn into the mark of the beast.) It predicts that no one will be able to buy/sell unless they recieve the mark of the beast and eventually anyone who takes the mark will be murdered. This is because the Christians will be removed from the world and satan will possess a body of a man who will become the world dictator.

Unsubstantiated wild claims. 666 is a man-made Arabic number. You make no connection about voluntary RFID chips and or how they will incorporate 666 into it. You could say the same thing about credit cards, except most credit cards have 16 numbers. You could say the same thing about social security numbers, but again those only apply to American citizens. You say you won't be able to buy anything, what about a farmer in Africa? Are they going to have an RFID scanner in the poorest part of Africa?

C) The bible predicts a one world government. Did you know that U.S., Canada and Mexico are going to merge soon? Ever heard of the New World Order? Ever heard of a globalist? Ever heard of a nafta superhighway? These terms are all linked to the New World Order, which George Bush Sr. Predicted in 1990, which is also predicted in the bible.

no proof of said government, and even if it did come true, countless other people have predicted it. What rule says "The bible predicts it (again no link or bible verse to back your claim) therefore, it (everything in the bible) must be true?

D) The bible predicted that homosexuality would become prominent. To paraphrase, it said "as it was in the days of lot, so shall it be in the day of the comming..." It also said that it would be as the days of noah. In noah's day, there was widespread violence on the earth. Some would relate this to terrorism.

- Humankind has a 200,000 year history of violence. -thats 195,000 years before the bible was written -up to today. This also proves nothing.

E) Israel as a nation ceased to be in 70 A.D. The bible predicted that they would become a nation again, which they did in 1948 a.d. and that they would reclaim Jerusalem, which they did in 1967 a.d. It says that Jerusalem would be trampled of the gentiles until the time of the gentiles be fulfilled.

more craptacular prediction claims. Israel claimed to be a state in 1948 but were quickly attacked by the Arabs. and have been fighting ever since. You again, prove nothing.

I could go on and on and on, but I have EVERY reason to believe that the bible is true and that the Lord's comming is very near. You need to get ready. Read this first post and pray that prayer at the bottom of it to God from your heart.

Please do. contunie...

[Marilyn Monroe]

Quote by: Chris without that poorly written book, you would have no concept of "god" or even know about his existence. you make no sense. so explain further, are you a theist, deist, or a pantheist?

I think God might intervene if we really want Him to, usually not, and He's everything, everywhere. This is why I make no sense, I sound like the bible.

[nerdvincent]

Quote by: Marilyn Monroe I think God might intervene if we really want Him to, usually not, and He's everything, everywhere. This is why I make no sense, I sound like the bible.

Haha . But no, in my case I don't believe in a God able to intervene, I'm existentialist.

[Marilyn Monroe]

Quote by: Chris You again, prove nothing. Please do. contunie...

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/proph/long.html