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Arawn-ap-Hywel · Nov 26, 2007, 06:44 pm

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yes i believe they would be welcomed by God if they repented and really believed in God. but i do not believe that they should be free of justice by society.

so, for example, if some guy raped a girl and killed her, then i believe he would need to face the punishment the authorities on earth were going to give him, but he would be forgiven by God if he repented and if he believe in Jesus Christ then he would go to heaven.

so by your views a suicide bomber who prior to his anihilation of say a kindergarten, had great repentence and belief just has his finger eased pressure from the trigger before he obliterated a classroom of inocents and himself, he would be welcomed into your heaven?

Porfyra · Nov 26, 2007, 06:53 pm

IF he asked Jesus to forgive him and decided in his heart that he believed AFTER he had done all that, then yes he would go to heaven. but he wouldnt go to heaven if he had asked forgiveness and prayed BEFORE he'd done that, because then that would prove that he wasn't really sorry and didn't really believe. if someone believed Jesus died for them and were really sorry for the sin in their life, they would go out and shoot a whole kindergarten class.

Winter wind · Nov 26, 2007, 10:51 pm

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no not moses or any prophets. only God.
he doesn't think we are vile- its our sin that disgusts him. and yes, he does alot to keep us from falling apart and thank goodness for that lol

If he is disgusted by our sins, and since we are sinful by nature, how can he not view us as vile?
See, I still thing disgust is the wrong word.

**Jack** · Nov 26, 2007, 11:47 pm

Which takes us full circle, back to "if sin disgusts god so much, why did he create it?"

Porfyra · Nov 26, 2007, 11:58 pm

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If he is disgusted by our sins, and since we are sinful by nature, how can he not view us as vile?
See, I still thing disgust is the wrong word.

yeah i have to agree- disgust isnt the right word to use....

Winter wind · Nov 27, 2007, 01:37 am

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yeah i have to agree- disgust isnt the right word to use....

I like exasperated better
But thats just me.

Porfyra · Nov 27, 2007, 02:48 pm

lol yup that works...

**Jack** · Nov 27, 2007, 03:08 pm

Let's ask god. John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Wrath, more extreme than exasperation.

Porfyra · Nov 27, 2007, 05:06 pm

EXASPERATE.> dictionary.com: to irritate or provoke to a high degree; annoy extremely, To make very angry or impatient, to make furious.

WRATH> dictionary.com: strong, stern, or fierce anger; deeply resentful indignation; ire, vengeance or punishment as the consequence of anger.

the two words are very similar.

Arawn-ap-Hywel · Nov 27, 2007, 05:25 pm

[quote=Porfyra;456370]IF he asked Jesus to forgive him and decided in his heart that he believed AFTER he had done all that, then yes he would go to heaven. but he wouldnt go to heaven if he had asked forgiveness and prayed BEFORE he'd done that, because then that would prove that he wasn't really sorry and didn't really believe. if someone believed Jesus died for them and were really sorry for the sin in their life, they would go out and shoot a whole kindergarten class.[/QUOTE]

What!????

Porfyra · Nov 27, 2007, 05:33 pm

oh, sorry, typo. WOULD NOT go and do that

Arawn-ap-Hywel · Nov 27, 2007, 06:08 pm

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oh, sorry, typo. WOULD NOT go and do that

sorry to point out

and hoped it was a typo

didn't think you were intending creating some horrible fundamentalism for those whom discover Jesus

Porfyra · Nov 27, 2007, 06:22 pm

heh.... sorry for the confusion

Winter wind · Nov 27, 2007, 11:29 pm

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if someone believed Jesus died for them and were really sorry for the sin in their life, they would go out and shoot a whole kindergarten class.

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oh, sorry, typo. WOULD NOT go and do that

Could go either way...
But really, i do beg to differ. Crusades were done by people who prayed for forgiveness and probably meant it. But the prayer was for selfish reasons, ie avoiding hell.

Porfyra · Nov 28, 2007, 12:05 pm

and wars are fought by christians. but what i mean is that someone that really loves God and believes what he says isn't just going to go out and randomly kill preschool classes.

Winter wind · Nov 28, 2007, 10:53 pm

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and wars are fought by christians. but what i mean is that someone that really loves God and believes what he says isn't just going to go out and randomly kill preschool classes.

What about a group like the westboro baptist church?

Porfyra · Nov 28, 2007, 11:48 pm

Westboro Baptist Church of Kansas or the one from ontario?

XFRODOBAGGINSX · Nov 29, 2007, 01:23 am

God certainly DID create the heavens and the earth.

nerdvincent · Nov 29, 2007, 04:21 am

F**king tell me how, please. By gravitational accretion or the plain ol' genesis story?

**Chris** · Nov 29, 2007, 09:58 am

don't feed the troll.

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Nov 26, 2007, 06:53 pm	#202 (permalink) (top)
Porfyra Molten Ash Posts: 149	IF he asked Jesus to forgive him and decided in his heart that he believed AFTER he had done all that, then yes he would go to heaven. but he wouldnt go to heaven if he had asked forgiveness and prayed BEFORE he'd done that, because then that would prove that he wasn't really sorry and didn't really believe. if someone believed Jesus died for them and were really sorry for the sin in their life, they would go out and shoot a whole kindergarten class. שמות 14:14 יְהוָ֖ה יִלָּחֵ֣ם לָכֶ֑ם וְאַתֶּ֖ם תַּחֲרִישֽׁוּן׃

Nov 26, 2007, 11:47 pm	#204 (permalink) (top)
Jack formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 14,178	Which takes us full circle, back to "if sin disgusts god so much, why did he create it?" The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Heathen Queer Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant)

Nov 27, 2007, 02:48 pm	#207 (permalink) (top)
Porfyra Molten Ash Posts: 149	lol yup that works... שמות 14:14 יְהוָ֖ה יִלָּחֵ֣ם לָכֶ֑ם וְאַתֶּ֖ם תַּחֲרִישֽׁוּן׃

Nov 27, 2007, 03:08 pm	#208 (permalink) (top)
Jack formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 14,178	Let's ask god. John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. Wrath, more extreme than exasperation. The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Heathen Queer Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant)

Nov 27, 2007, 05:06 pm	#209 (permalink) (top)
Porfyra Molten Ash Posts: 149	EXASPERATE.> dictionary.com: to irritate or provoke to a high degree; annoy extremely, To make very angry or impatient, to make furious. WRATH> dictionary.com: strong, stern, or fierce anger; deeply resentful indignation; ire, vengeance or punishment as the consequence of anger. the two words are very similar. שמות 14:14 יְהוָ֖ה יִלָּחֵ֣ם לָכֶ֑ם וְאַתֶּ֖ם תַּחֲרִישֽׁוּן׃

Nov 27, 2007, 05:25 pm	#210 (permalink) (top)
Arawn-ap-Hywel Hot Lava Posts: 1,193	[quote=Porfyra;456370]IF he asked Jesus to forgive him and decided in his heart that he believed AFTER he had done all that, then yes he would go to heaven. but he wouldnt go to heaven if he had asked forgiveness and prayed BEFORE he'd done that, because then that would prove that he wasn't really sorry and didn't really believe. if someone believed Jesus died for them and were really sorry for the sin in their life, they would go out and shoot a whole kindergarten class.[/QUOTE] What!????

Nov 27, 2007, 05:33 pm	#211 (permalink) (top)
Porfyra Molten Ash Posts: 149	oh, sorry, typo. WOULD NOT go and do that שמות 14:14 יְהוָ֖ה יִלָּחֵ֣ם לָכֶ֑ם וְאַתֶּ֖ם תַּחֲרִישֽׁוּן׃

Nov 27, 2007, 06:22 pm	#213 (permalink) (top)
Porfyra Molten Ash Posts: 149	heh.... sorry for the confusion שמות 14:14 יְהוָ֖ה יִלָּחֵ֣ם לָכֶ֑ם וְאַתֶּ֖ם תַּחֲרִישֽׁוּן׃

Nov 28, 2007, 12:05 pm	#215 (permalink) (top)
Porfyra Molten Ash Posts: 149	and wars are fought by christians. but what i mean is that someone that really loves God and believes what he says isn't just going to go out and randomly kill preschool classes. שמות 14:14 יְהוָ֖ה יִלָּחֵ֣ם לָכֶ֑ם וְאַתֶּ֖ם תַּחֲרִישֽׁוּן׃

Nov 28, 2007, 11:48 pm	#217 (permalink) (top)
Porfyra Molten Ash Posts: 149	Westboro Baptist Church of Kansas or the one from ontario? שמות 14:14 יְהוָ֖ה יִלָּחֵ֣ם לָכֶ֑ם וְאַתֶּ֖ם תַּחֲרִישֽׁוּן׃

Nov 29, 2007, 01:23 am	#218 (permalink) (top)
XFRODOBAGGINSX BANNED Posts: 30	God certainly DID create the heavens and the earth.

Nov 29, 2007, 04:21 am	#219 (permalink) (top)
nerdvincent Indie Commie Location: New Caledonia Posts: 1,101	F*king tell me how, please. By gravitational accretion or the plain ol' genesis story? I think, I'm free. Last edited by Matt W; Nov 29, 2007 at 02:41 pm.*

Nov 29, 2007, 09:58 am	#220 (permalink) (top)
Chris Gamma-ray burst Location: Nashville Posts: 6,403	don't feed the troll. I voted against the theocratic psychopaths Shared