Who should your daughter marry?

[Technosoul]

Assuming you have (or had) a daughter which of the listed factors would be the most important one, if you were giving some advice to her?

This is a multi-choice question on purpose so do not add "all of the above" in remarks section.

I goofed an the poll option did not come up. So here are the choices.

I would tell my daughter to marry ....

1 - Someone who is strong and healthy.

2- Someone who is wealthy and a good provider.

3 - Someone who is of the same religion as her.

4 - Someone who is of the same race as her.

5 - Someone who she thinks is sexy or cute.

6 - Someone she has dated for a year or more.

7 - Someone she is head-over-heels in love with.

8 - Someone of high moral values.

9 - Someone poor who just joined the military.

10 - Someone of the same poltical party.

[5010]

I guess #8 is closest. I tell my daughters to consider character over anything else. Honesty, loyalty, respect, etc. Stuff you list under 'virtues'. It's hard to have a good relationships with someone who has a lot of character flaws, but then again we all have some.

But I also tell them that good character doesn't necessarily mean poor, wimpy and ugly

[Arawn-ap-Hywel]

Try this one

APPLICATION FOR PERMISSION TO DATE MY DAUGHTER NOTE: This application will be incomplete and rejected unless accompanied by a complete financial statement, job history, lineage, and current medical report from your doctor. NAME_________________________DATE OF BIRTH__________ HEIGHT___ WEIGHT_______ IQ__________ GPA___________ SOCIAL SECURITY #_________DRIVERS LICENSE #___________ BOY SCOUT RANK AND BADGES___________________________ HOME ADDRESS_________ CITY/STATE___________ ZIP______ Do you have parents? ___Yes ___No Is one male and the other female? ___Yes ___No If No, explain: ______________________________________________ Number of years they have been married ___________________ If less than your age, explain __________________________________________________ _________________________________________________ ACCESSORIES SECTION: A. Do you own or have access to a van? __Yes __No B. A truck with oversized tires? __Yes __No C. A waterbed? __Yes __No D. A pickup with a mattress in the back? __Yes __No E. A tattoo? __Yes __No F. Do you have an earring, nose ring, __Yes __No pierced tongue, pierced cheek or a belly button ring? (IF YOU ANSWERED "YES" TO ANY OF THE ABOVE, DISCONTINUE APPLICATION AND LEAVE PREMISES IMMEDIATELY. I SUGGEST RUNNING.) ESSAY SECTION: In 50 words or less, what does "LATE" mean to you? ____________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________ In 50 words or less, what does "DON'T TOUCH MY DAUGHTER" mean to you? ________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________ In 50 words or less, what does "ABSTINENCE" mean to you? _______________________________________________________ _______________________________________________________ REFERENCES SECTION: Church you attend ___________________________________________________ How often you attend _______________________________ When would be the best time to interview your: father? _____________ mother? _____________ pastor? _____________ SHORT-ANSWER SECTION: Answer by filling in the blank. Please answer freely, all answers are confidential. A: If I were shot, the last place I would want shot would be: ______________________________________________________ B: If I were beaten, the last bone I would want broken is my: _____________________________________________________ C: A woman's place is in the: ____________________________________________________ D: The one thing I hope this application does not ask me about is: _______________________________________________________ E. What do you want to do IF you grow up? ___________________________ __________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________ F. When I meet a girl, the thing I always notice about her first is: ______________________________________________________ F. What is the current going rate of a hotel room? __________________ I SWEAR THAT ALL INFORMATION SUPPLIED ABOVE IS TRUE AND CORRECT TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE UNDER PENALTY OF DEATH, DISMEMBERMENT, NATIVE AMERICAN ANT TORTURE, CRUCIFIXION, ELECTROCUTION, CHINESE WATER TORTURE, RED HOT POKERS, AND HILLARY CLINTON KISS TORTURE. _________________________________________________________ Applicant's Signature (that means sign your name, moron!) _______________________________ ________________________________ Mother's Signature Father's Signature _______________________________ ________________________________ Pastor/Priest/Rabbi State Representative/Congressman Thank you for your interest, and it had better be genuine and non-sexual. Please allow four to six years for processing. You will be contacted in writing if you are approved. Please do not try to call or write (since you probably can't, and it would cause you injury). If your application is rejected, you will be notified by two gentleman wearing white ties carrying violin cases. (you might watch your back)

[Technosoul]

Quote by: 5010 I guess #8 is closest. I tell my daughters to consider character over anything else. Honesty, loyalty, respect, etc. Stuff you list under 'virtues'. It's hard to have a good relationships with someone who has a lot of character flaws, but then again we all have some. But I also tell them that good character doesn't necessarily mean poor, wimpy and ugly

Looks like not a lot of people will take part in the poll and so I will get right to the reason I wanted to conduct the poll.

Marrage is mainly for the purposes of mating and reproduction of children for the next generation.

And so sceintifically and logically the best mate would be the strongest and the most healthy person she can find. That way the healthy genes are passed on genetically to the next generation to insure evolutionary survival as a healthy speices.

Your answer focuses on the survival of the marrage relationship as being more important then the survival of a healthy speices into the futue generation which apposes science and darwinism principles. In other words - not "genetically correct" advice.

I am not saying you are wrong. But just wanted to find out if people really believe in Darwin and the science of genetics when it comes down to their own daughter's happyness and the purposes of marrage and mating relative to the "ascent of man" outline.

Hope you have healthy grandchildren none-the-less.

Quote by: Technosoul [i] just wanted to find out if people really believe in Darwin and the science of genetics when it comes down to their own daughter's happyness and the purposes of marrage and mating relative to the "ascent of man" outline.

Your poll would not tell you what you're trying to find out. For the most part because no one can't tell if any particular mating choice will or will not improve the odds of the parents' genes being passed on.

But, above all, evolution and natural selection are not moral notions. Because someone understands that evolution is a fact, it does not follow that they have a moral obligation to make choices that they judge will propagate their genes. Unlike some religions, Darwin's theory and evolution impose nothing on anyone. To suggest it does simply means you don't understand the Theory of Evolution.

Regards
S.

[Technosoul]

[quote=sdbest;407236]Your poll would not tell you what you're trying to find out. For the most part because no one can't tell if any particular mating choice will or will not improve the odds of the parents' genes being passed on.

But, above all, evolution and natural selection are not moral notions. Because someone understands that evolution is a fact, it does not follow that they have a moral obligation to make choices that they judge will propagate their genes. Unlike some religions, Darwin's theory and evolution impose nothing on anyone. To suggest it does simply means you don't understand the Theory of Evolution.

Regards
S.[/QUOTE)

Sometimes genes will skip a generation or so before getting randomly selected again via reproduction, but the odds are that genes from strong and healthy people will be continued. That is why doctors ask about the history of your parents and thier parents, to determine your risk of having the same "unhealthy" condidtions.

Animals often employ mating riturals so that the strongest get to mate with the female.

Now genetics and evolution does not impose moral standards for use in picking a mate but logical thinking would. However such logical thinking would be viewed as "not moral" in some religious circles.
And of course, it is not romantic.

I still do not think people are using the knowledge Darwin originated in a practical manner, which would suggest they do not give a hoot about his theory (and related facts) when it comes down to how they live life.

Quote by: Technosoul I still do not think people are using the knowledge Darwin originated in a practical manner, which would suggest they do not give a hoot about his theory (and related facts) when it comes down to how they live life.

Trust me. In matters of love and marriage no one gives a hoot about Darwin. That fact has no bearing on either Darwin's theory, the fact of evolution, or the character of people who understand evolutionary theory.

Or, do you think people who accept evolution as a fact are under some moral obligation to make reproductive choices that give their genes an increased chance of surviving into future generations?

Regards
S.

[tinybear]

#7 is closest. Ideally, it should read "Someone she is head-over-heels in love with and who is head-over-heels in love with her".

[gallo]

Quote by: Technosoul Looks like not a lot of people will take part in the poll and so I will get right to the reason I wanted to conduct the poll. Marrage is mainly for the purposes of mating and reproduction of children for the next generation.

For some people that may be true. Some people actually want to have a family, but lots of others get married for the steady sex. Given that so many people aren't faithful after marriage, I'm not so sure that your reason for marriage is right.

Quote by: Technosoul And so sceintifically and logically the best mate would be the strongest and the most healthy person she can find. That way the healthy genes are passed on genetically to the next generation to insure evolutionary survival as a healthy speices.

Nonsense. Please don't try to equate evolutionary theory with intentional human actions.

Quote by: Technosoul Your answer focuses on the survival of the marrage relationship as being more important then the survival of a healthy speices into the futue generation which apposes science and darwinism principles. In other words - not "genetically correct" advice.

There is no such thing as "genetically correct" advice. Evolutionary theory isn't relevant to human social actions.

Quote by: Technosoul I am not saying you are wrong. But just wanted to find out if people really believe in Darwin and the science of genetics when it comes down to their own daughter's happyness and the purposes of marrage and mating relative to the "ascent of man" outline.

And that's totally irrelevant. Who cares if anyone "believes" Darwin. What does that have to do with social interactions. How absolutely moronic to think that evolutionary theory should be a consideration in the choice of a mate. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Please learn what you are talking about before you speak. In other words, learn what evolution is before you get sucked in by social Darwinism (which has nothing to do with Darwin). You an Hitler! Peas in a pod.

Quote by: Technosoul Hope you have healthy grandchildren none-the-less.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: gallo For some people that may be true. Some people actually want to have a family, but lots of others get married for the steady sex. Given that so many people aren't faithful after marriage, I'm not so sure that your reason for marriage is right. Nonsense. Please don't try to equate evolutionary theory with intentional human actions. There is no such thing as "genetically correct" advice. Evolutionary theory isn't relevant to human social actions. And that's totally irrelevant. Who cares if anyone "believes" Darwin. What does that have to do with social interactions. How absolutely moronic to think that evolutionary theory should be a consideration in the choice of a mate. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Please learn what you are talking about before you speak. In other words, learn what evolution is before you get sucked in by social Darwinism (which has nothing to do with Darwin). You an Hitler! Peas in a pod.

A possible contradiction in your remarks. If the concepts of using evolution theory for social activities is not a factor at all, then how could you play the Hitler card ( or his "Master Race" political theories )?

The term 'genetically correct' is a new term that I just coined. And I did so in a sentence and therefore it is now a term, and hereafter.

In understanding the processes of random selection we can seek to inact "controlled selection" via genetic manipulation and by pairing the best people of the herd. Although Drawin did not advocate this in his theory he paved the way for the socicalized oganization of the gene pool to get the best results. And many people are no longer trusting their own choice making abilities anymore, due to the number of break-ups that people must suffer thorugh based on personal picks, and so they are turning too those "perfect match makers" dating services to find a mate. And using their scientific methods for finding Mrs or Mr Right.
But not the majority of people. None the less the trends for being genetically correct is on the rise. In come cases it is about the potential to "genetically correct" those genes that pass on family medial problems to the next generation. I might be a little ahead of my time with this post but enough knowledge is out there for people to comprehend the idea I imparted - and enough knowledge to make it a concerned factor for mating and reproductive purposes.

In fact I knew these two gay females who wanted to raise a baby and so the one who wanted to be the mom was seeking to find the male donor who had the most healthy and strongest genes for their untraditional family.

Now the Theroy of Evolution is a little different then everything that is happening in the fields of biology relative to genetics, but they are strongly linked together under a larger heading - in my opinon. And Darwin should be given the credit to getting the ball rolling.

The point of the questionaire is to show that most people have other reasons for mating or marrage and for giving advice on how to pick the right mate. And those reasons do not normally place having healthy children as being the most important factor inspite of the fact that we now have enough knowledge and methods for scientific testing to use for that process of determination. Parents would look at other social factors instead such as educaton, wealth (good job with potential), or personality compatabilties, and religions want people to marry someone of the same faith. etc. Little respect for the science that can eliminate random poor selections. But that trend is slowly changing.

[5010]

Quote by: Technosoul Your answer focuses on the survival of the marrage relationship as being more important then the survival of a healthy speices into the futue generation which apposes science and darwinism principles. In other words - not "genetically correct" advice.

I'm not convinced. Notice that a pack of wolves can bring down very strong prey that 1 wolf alone cannot. Character values like honesty and loyalty make for a stronger team within the relationship and the same traits mean greater ties between the couple and other members of society. So not only would such a partner make the marriage happier, but has competition value due to 'the pack' strength in unity.

[Muckraker]

Humans are, for the most part, immune to Natural Selection.

Subsequently, the qualities that are of the highest "value" to the continuance of the human race are constantly changing.

So, both portions of this topic don't really work. We have not proven that humans are affected by Natural Selection and we have not proven that healthy and strong are the most desireable traits to further the species.

[another day]

I would tell my daughter to marry...

1.) Someone who is a peaceful soul

2.) Someone who is intelligent

That's all.

[phoenix_fire]

Yeah, tech. That's very charming.

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I've heard things like this before. Social Darwinism. Hitler liked it. And the KKK. Kinda reminds me of the Death Eaters, actually.

Not meaning to be offensive, but do you realize how bad you sound?

[Technosoul]

Quote by: 5010 I'm not convinced. Notice that a pack of wolves can bring down very strong prey that 1 wolf alone cannot. Character values like honesty and loyalty make for a stronger team within the relationship and the same traits mean greater ties between the couple and other members of society. So not only would such a partner make the marriage happier, but has competition value due to 'the pack' strength in unity.

I guess a family unit would be simular to a pack of wolves. Another anology would be if you were picking people to be on your team, in sports or businesses. Would you pick the most healthy ones to be on your team or the sick people?

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Muckraker Humans are, for the most part, immune to Natural Selection. Subsequently, the qualities that are of the highest "value" to the continuance of the human race are constantly changing. So, both portions of this topic don't really work. We have not proven that humans are affected by Natural Selection and we have not proven that healthy and strong are the most desireable traits to further the species.

Confiming that people do not believe that darwinism has anything to do with human 'creation'?

[Technosoul]

Quote by: phoenix_fire Yeah, tech. That's very charming. Name ______________ Age _____ Sign________________ Interests___________________________________________________ Genome map_________________________________________ I've heard things like this before. Social Darwinism. Hitler liked it. And the KKK. Kinda reminds me of the Death Eaters, actually. Not meaning to be offensive, but do you realize how bad you sound?

Hitler and the KKK used "race" and not who is the most healthy or strongest physically. Big Difference.

For in fact most African Americans can out jump those KKK guys in any basketball game - do to being more physically healthy.

The "same race" choice in my poll is not the "healthy" choice in my poll.

And I do not advoate that any organization should force people to mate so that we can reproduce the master race.

For better or worse people should be free to marry anyone they want who is willing to share that agreement.

This poll is to test if people acturally believe evolution enough to conform to that selective process that would insure healthy generations for the good of the future "human speicies" now that we "know the facts" about the processes of evolution.

According to the Republicans the cost of health care is due to the fact we do not prevent illnesses by not loosing weight, etc. If we have a tax payed health care system then people who marry people who are prone to be fat due to their genetic history (family tree) then the rest of us healthy taxpayers would be paying more taxes due to the unreasonable way we pick our marrage mates. And that attack on our economy might be viewed as an act of domestic terrorism if the Surgen Gerneral so determines. hee hee... yeah... bad to the bone.

[gallo]

Quote by: Technosoul A possible contradiction in your remarks. If the concepts of using evolution theory for social activities is not a factor at all, then how could you play the Hitler card ( or his "Master Race" political theories )?

I didn't. I was responding to your remarks. You expressed Hitler's philosophy, not me. I was just pointing it out.

Quote by: Technosoul The term 'genetically correct' is a new term that I just coined. And I did so in a sentence and therefore it is now a term, and hereafter.

But what does it mean and why should it not be subject to laughter? Even more important, it smacks of Hitler and his misunderstanding of evolutionary theory. As far as the theory of evolutionary biology is concerned, there is no "correct" mutation.

Quote by: Technosoul In understanding the processes of random selection we can seek to inact [sic] "controlled selection" via genetic manipulation and by pairing the best people of the herd.

Then your aren't talking about random selection, are you? Selection isn't random. Wouldn't it be nice if you actually learned what you were talking about before you spoke?

Quote by: Technosoul Although Drawin [sic] did not advocate this in his theory he paved the way for the socicalized [sic] oganization [sic] of the gene pool to get the best results.

I have no idea of what that means. Do you?

Quote by: Technosoul And many people are no longer trusting their own choice making abilities anymore, due to the number of break-ups that people must suffer thorugh [sic] based on personal picks, and so they are turning too those "perfect match makers" dating services to find a mate. And using their scientific methods for finding Mrs or Mr Right.

Are you so stupid as to believe that you are actually talking about the theory of evolution?
[quote=Technosoul;408270]But not the majority of people. None the less the trends for being genetically correct is on the rise.[quote]A stupid term based on nothing more than idiocy.

Quote by: Technosoul In come cases it is about the potential to "genetically correct" those genes that pass on family medial [sic] the next generation.

Did you mean "medical"?

Quote by: Technosoul I might be a little ahead of my time with this post but enough knowledge is out there for people to comprehend the idea I imparted

Not by a long shot are you ahead of your time. You are an ignorant anachronism.

Quote by: Technosoul - and enough knowledge to make it a concerned factor for mating and reproductive purposes.

Not by a long shot. So you are proposing that you should be the judge of who should be allowed to marry? So you are offering to pay for the very expensive genetic testing for what you propose?

Quote by: Technosoul In fact I knew these two gay females who wanted to raise a baby and so the one who wanted to be the mom was seeking to find the male donor who had the most healthy and strongest genes for their untraditional [b][sic][/b[ family.

How is that relevant to the topic?

Quote by: Technosoul Now the Theroy [b][sic][b] of Evolution is a little different then [sic] everything that is happening in the fields of biology relative to genetics,

As an evolutionary biologist who has studied genetics, I can assure you that it is not.

Quote by: Technosoul ...but they are strongly linked together under a larger heading - in my opinon [sic].

But, of course, your opinion is uninformed. They are linked under the larger heading of biology. It is impossible to discuss evolutionary biology without an understanding of genetics.

Quote by: Technosoul And Darwin should be given the credit to getting the ball rolling.

Don't be stupid. Darwin never knew about genetics. Exactly what "ball" did he get rolling? In fact, since you offer opinions about what Darwin did and said, please specify 5 theories of evolution that Darwin proposed. Please relate them to genetics.

Quote by: Technosoul The point of the questionaire [sic] is to show that most people have other reasons for mating or marrage [sic] and for giving advice on how to pick the right mate.

How is this relevant to evolutionary theory?

Quote by: Technosoul And those reasons do not normally place having healthy children as being the most important factor inspite [sic] of the fact that we now have enough knowledge and methods for scientific testing to use for that process of determination.

Well, that's certainly true. I think that mutual attraction is more important than considerations about genetic compatibility.

Quote by: Technosoul Parents would look at other social factors instead such as educaton [sic], wealth (good job with potential), or personality compatabilties[sic], and religions want people to marry someone of the same faith. etc.

How is that relevant to evolution?

Quote by: Technosoul Little respect for the science that can eliminate random poor selections.

Please tell us about this science. Please define "poor selection."

Quote by: Technosoul But that trend is slowly changing.

How?

[Technosoul]

[quote=gallo;412238]I didn't. I was responding to your remarks. You expressed Hitler's philosophy, not me. I was just pointing it out.
But what does it mean and why should it not be subject to laughter? Even more important, it smacks of Hitler and his misunderstanding of evolutionary theory. As far as the theory of evolutionary biology is concerned, there is no "correct" mutation.
Then your aren't talking about random selection, are you? Selection isn't random. Wouldn't it be nice if you actually learned what you were talking about before you spoke?
I have no idea of what that means. Do you?
Are you so stupid as to believe that you are actually talking about the theory of evolution?
[quote=Technosoul;408270]But not the majority of people. None the less the trends for being genetically correct is on the rise.

A stupid term based on nothing more than idiocy. Did you mean "medical"? Not by a long shot are you ahead of your time. You are an ignorant anachronism. Not by a long shot. So you are proposing that you should be the judge of who should be allowed to marry? So you are offering to pay for the very expensive genetic testing for what you propose? How is that relevant to the topic? As an evolutionary biologist who has studied genetics, I can assure you that it is not. But, of course, your opinion is uninformed. They are linked under the larger heading of biology. It is impossible to discuss evolutionary biology without an understanding of genetics. Don't be stupid. Darwin never knew about genetics. Exactly what "ball" did he get rolling? In fact, since you offer opinions about what Darwin did and said, please specify 5 theories of evolution that Darwin proposed. Please relate them to genetics. How is this relevant to evolutionary theory? Well, that's certainly true. I think that mutual attraction is more important than considerations about genetic compatibility. How is that relevant to evolution? Please tell us about this science. Please define "poor selection." How?

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[phoenix_fire]

Tech, these groups assumed that the race that they exalted DID have superior genetics. They believed that marrying into other races tainted the superior lineage of their race. You should look up Social Darwinism. It is very fascinating and was very widespread for a while.