Vegetarians don't eat fish

[ibm]

Vegetarians are fake people. They are pretentious. They are the group of people I usually like the least.

There is no reason whatsoever other than a medical one to be a vegetarian.

[christibe]

Tivodan, in a fight between me and a chicken, I am going to win. In a fight between me and person, the result is unknown. Anyway, there is no argument here because this all started with me stating the funniest thing I have heard in my experience of talking about my own eating habits.

Thanks, Ibm. I think you might be basing that opinion on a select group of people, though, and using your experience to define an entire group of people. I agree that many vegetarians are pretentious... and usually they call themselves vegan, that new-word to make them extra-special vegetarians. (I was joking here, as well, because not all vegans are pretentious.)

[tivodan1116]

Quote by: christibe Tivodan, in a fight between me and a chicken, I am going to win. In a fight between me and person, the result is unknown.

1) That doesn't mean chickens are defenseless. In a fight between rabbits and anything, the anything generally wins, but rabbits have evolved the ability to have many offspring in a short period and thus the species continues. Some defenses work for the individual, some work for the species.

2) Who would win in a fight between you and a bull? You and an alligator? You and a shark? Obviously sometimes the person wins, since we have eaten those animals. But sometimes the animal wins, too.

3) Speaking of predators, who would win in a fight between a shark and the aforementioned fish of this thread? The shark, of course. Does that mean the fish is defenseless? Does that mean that we should prevent sharks from eating fish because the fish cannot defend itself? No, it means the shark has adapted mechanisms that make it a superior predator and able to survive catching its prey. How is it any different when humans, a top predator, use the mechanisms we have developed to catch our prey? Merely because our #1 evolutionary mechanism that has made us superior is our intelligence does not make us any different than any other animal.

4) You mistakenly equate "defense" with "fight". Who would win in a fight between me and a whitetail deer if I get to use the benefits of human intelligence (i.e. a gun)? Me, undoubtedly. However, in order to have that fight, I have to overcome the deer's significant defensive mechanisms of camouflage, speed and stealth. And while you could beat that chicken in a fight, you have to catch it first. As someone whose family used to raise chickens - that's no fun.

[christibe]

Quote by: tivodan1116 1) That doesn't mean chickens are defenseless. In a fight between rabbits and anything, the anything generally wins, but rabbits have evolved the ability to have many offspring in a short period and thus the species continues. Some defenses work for the individual, some work for the species. 2) Who would win in a fight between you and a bull? You and an alligator? You and a shark? Obviously sometimes the person wins, since we have eaten those animals. But sometimes the animal wins, too. 3) Speaking of predators, who would win in a fight between a shark and the aforementioned fish of this thread? The shark, of course. Does that mean the fish is defenseless? Does that mean that we should prevent sharks from eating fish because the fish cannot defend itself? No, it means the shark has adapted mechanisms that make it a superior predator and able to survive catching its prey. How is it any different when humans, a top predator, use the mechanisms we have developed to catch our prey? Merely because our #1 evolutionary mechanism that has made us superior is our intelligence does not make us any different than any other animal. 4) You mistakenly equate "defense" with "fight". Who would win in a fight between me and a whitetail deer if I get to use the benefits of human intelligence (i.e. a gun)? Me, undoubtedly. However, in order to have that fight, I have to overcome the deer's significant defensive mechanisms of camouflage, speed and stealth. And while you could beat that chicken in a fight, you have to catch it first. As someone whose family used to raise chickens - that's no fun.

hehe Tivodan. Next time I am in that conversation, I will change my reasoning for being able to eat humans due to the fact that a human is my exact match in a fight, as opposed to a chicken or an alligator.

And I never said that vegetarianism is right. It's just right for me. So my prey is just different than yours.

[Muckraker]

Quote by: christibe hehe Tivodan. Next time I am in that conversation, I will change my reasoning for being able to eat humans due to the fact that a human is my exact match in a fight, as opposed to a chicken or an alligator. And I never said that vegetarianism is right. It's just right for me. So my prey is just different than yours.

It's a moot point anyhow as only the tiniest, most miniscule fraction of human predators participate in the death of their prey to any extent other than digging around in their sticky drink holders for exact change in the McDonald's drive-through.

The fight between you and your equally matched human would consist of you paying someone a fiver-and-change a pound to breed, ship, house, ship, slaughter, ship, package, ship, ship, ship, and display the unidentifiably ground up bits'n'pieces in styrofoam and taut cellophane wrapping with a "Buy One Get One with your Preferred Card" sticker adhered over the nutritional information.

The only battle wounds incurred would be when the human meat package becomes wedged between your golf clubs and a gallon of skim milk in the trunk, putter puncturing the plastic-wrapped seal so that your new khaki capris become the unsuspecting victim of CSI low velocity spatter when you are loading up your 40 cubic foot, stainless steel, Sears Mega Deluxe-Lux Cubed-Chipped-and-Crushed-Ice-Dispensing monument to the gods of refrigeration with all the similarly hard-won spoils of the day's battle at the local Safeway.

[christibe]

Amen to that, Muckraker. :) Thank GOD Safeway has Starbucks now.... hehe

So, I wonder if one, there would be a commodities market for human meat, and what the term for it would be, pig = pork, chicken/turkey = poultry, cow = beef...
And three, I wonder if humans would become production units in factory farms. Or, if they would be 'farm-raised, cage-free'?


But yeah, even if I did consider eating animals again, I would probably not only because of how we grow the animals, all animal-cruelty aside... when you eat this stuff, all you are eating are antibiotics and saturated fat (Tivodan- I know my statement is not factually accurate- I was only making an illustration with words to portray the crowded and unsterile living conditions of the world's modern farms which supply over 95% or so of the world's meat/dairy)....

[tivodan1116]

Quote by: christibe Amen to that, Muckraker. :) Thank GOD Safeway has Starbucks now.... hehe

So you won't eat meat but you love Starbucks? Interesting considering the ethics of the corporation.

So, I wonder if one, there would be a commodities market for human meat, and what the term for it would be, pig = pork, chicken/turkey = poultry, cow = beef... And three, I wonder if humans would become production units in factory farms. Or, if they would be 'farm-raised, cage-free'?

Hey, we finally found a use for all those illegal immigrants!!!




















To work on the farms! What did you think I meant???? Geez..

But yeah, even if I did consider eating animals again, I would probably not only because of how we grow the animals, all animal-cruelty aside... when you eat this stuff, all you are eating are antibiotics and saturated fat (Tivodan- I know my statement is not factually accurate- I was only making an illustration with words to portray the crowded and unsterile living conditions of the world's modern farms which supply over 95% or so of the world's meat/dairy)....

Well your illustration is grossly inaccurate, so what's the point?

[christibe]

lol Tivodan. Why didn't you pretend to think that Muckraker was supporting the mass-production of animals for meat and such with the mondo-refrigerators and golf clubs and styrofoam?


Don't many immigrants already work on farms and things?


anywayz, I (heart) u, Tivodan. :)