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Zhavric · Jun 11, 2007, 02:50 pm

Getting a little tired of this:

For a handful of you, I can say "up" and be absolutely sure I'll hear "down" (or "up cannot be proven / up is unknown"). On the philosophy forum, this has gotten silly... where ZNF has actually dedicated an entire thread to attempting to save face for a contradiction of his I've pointed out. Have you guys seen this thread? Z has invented his own lexicon of armchair terminology. It's ridiculous and it's all because he can't bear to agree with me.

Why do you guys insist on reading a tone into everything I say? Please post a link to any thread in which I called someone one of the following:

stupid
an idiot
retarded
pea brained
moronic

It's time for volconvo to take a deep breath, loosen up and stop reading tones into everything I post.

improvident · Jun 11, 2007, 07:15 pm

I like the visual aid.. helped tremendously lol

brien · Jun 13, 2007, 11:52 am

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It's time for volconvo to take a deep breath, loosen up and stop reading tones into everything I post

Zharvic; Perhaps it is time to read your own words and apply them to yourself. This place isn't all that important and it makes no difference to anyone when the day is over. Relax Max......

It's time for volconvo(Zharvic) to take a deep breath, loosen up and stop reading tones into everything (I post) (posted).

Autolykos · Jun 13, 2007, 01:12 pm

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Zharvic; Perhaps it is time to read your own words and apply them to yourself. This place isn't all that important and it make no difference to anyone when the day is over. Relax Max......

It's time for volconvo(Zharvic) to take a deep breath, loosen up and stop reading tones into everything (I post) (posted).

That begs the following question: Does Zhavric think that this place is all-important and makes a difference to everyone when the day is over?

You seem to think that he does. I'm not so sure.

- Rob

brien · Jun 13, 2007, 01:55 pm

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That begs the following question: Does Zhavric think that this place is all-important and makes a difference to everyone when the day is over?

You seem to think that he does. I'm not so sure.

- Rob

It seems to me he does, but I don't knnow about the "all important" part.. But if he doesn't care somewhat, why would he post his concern in the first instance? Why bother? It must mean something to him when participates here.

Autolykos · Jun 13, 2007, 02:05 pm

Maybe he's just tired of people reading too much into his posts?

- Rob

ZNFYRH · Jun 13, 2007, 02:21 pm

Autolykos

I would be the first one to agree that the opinion of the majority doesn't mean it's correct.

But...

What if one person tells you that you have a habit in your posting style that is detrimental to conducive discussion, and you disagree with their opinion?

Do you assess your posting style for possible changes?

That depends on your goal here. But you probably won't, because it's just one.

What if five more people say the same thing? Then what if you receive multiple suspensions, infractions, and warnings for those aspects of your style? And what if that isn't just here, but in multiple forums across the Internet? What if your name is synonymous with a certain posting style on multiple forums?

Do you assess your posting style for possible changes?

It depends on your goal.

What you should probably ask yourself is:

After a year of multiple suspensions, infractions, and warnings, am I still accomplishing my goal?

If your goal is to learn, share information, convincing people you are right, whatever it might be, and you find yourself answering "no," then would you change your behavior?

If your goal is to say whatever you want, regardless of how it's perceived, and you are getting those suspensions, infractions, and warnings, then do you belong on a forum?

Zhavric · Jun 13, 2007, 02:22 pm

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Maybe he's just tired of people reading too much into his posts?

- Rob

You, sir, have earned three dancing Voltrons.

Maryjane · Jun 13, 2007, 03:44 pm

I admit, I haven't been here long enough to read all your posts, but you seem a bit exasperated in this one.

Was the Fart Button your doing? or does the site pick the little links under your thread?
I found humor in that, maybe you were just making a funny?

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Zhavric · Jun 14, 2007, 10:02 am

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Was the Fart Button your doing?

What on earth are you talking about?

CoffeeSaint · Jun 14, 2007, 11:33 am

I think, when I have the chance, I should give you a lesson on the difference between tone and explicit statements. You don't throw out explicit insults, Zhav. But your tone is most assuredly, shall we say, abrasive. Reading insults into your posts, considering that tone, is not really a stretch.

If you don't like the response you're getting, then change your tone.

Kamehameha34 · Jun 14, 2007, 06:48 pm

Ditto, Coffee.

It's pretty easy to read a tone into this:

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ZNF has actually dedicated an entire thread to attempting to save face

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Z has invented his own lexicon of armchair terminology. It's ridiculous and it's all because he can't bear to agree with me.

...

There are still those who think shifting contexts poses a problem with proving things.

...

Wow. We need to simply start over.

You might not see a problem with the second two, but they seem to be worded specifically to snipe at those with other viewpoints. What you see as "Why don't you agree? I think I've made my point well" comes off as "Sheesh, you idiots still disagree with me."

**Matt W** · Jun 15, 2007, 03:02 pm

Add the sig links and you have somebody who comes across as ego personified.

ZNFYRH · Jun 15, 2007, 03:08 pm

Indeed.

I find it funny how someone complains about tone read into their posts when their signature is nothing but gloating.

Technosoul · Jun 15, 2007, 07:11 pm

Hot air needs a Fan.

Ha ha ha ha ha.

Well, we color Oprah purple, what's wrong with that?

I think I might check some of the past posts and make a list of the names I have been assigned.

Zhavric · Jun 18, 2007, 10:18 am

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ZNF has actually dedicated an entire thread to attempting to save face

...

Z has invented his own lexicon of armchair terminology. It's ridiculous and it's all because he can't bear to agree with me.

...

There are still those who think shifting contexts poses a problem with proving things.

...

Wow. We need to simply start over.

The problem with pointing to these as a "tone" is that A) they're all true and B) you're quote mining. You're not showing where ZNF contradicted himself and then tried to argue as though that wasn't problem. You're not showing wher ZNF actually did start inventing definitions that would never cut it in acadamia. You're not showing the five pages of Fangrim trying to figure out how context works.

The links in my sig are there to help people remember what's already been proven. They're not there for "ego". They're there because volconvo members have short memories and a tendency to argue things which have already been proven.

Kamehameha34 · Jun 18, 2007, 03:31 pm

I'm not going to debate you on this. You opened up a thread that lended yourself to examination, so I pulled some quotes of what comes across as a rude tone.

People aren't offering criticisms to spite you.

**Matt W** · Jun 18, 2007, 05:07 pm

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The links in my sig are there to help people remember what's already been proven. They're not there for "ego". They're there because volconvo members have short memories and a tendency to argue things which have already been proven.

It's all about perception. You don't come across well at all. You come across as arrogant. Repeatedly. It;s not just one or two people saying this, so perhaps you might want to think about it, hmm?

Zhavric · Jun 19, 2007, 03:59 pm

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It's all about perception. You don't come across well at all. You come across as arrogant. Repeatedly. It;s not just one or two people saying this,

No, it's a few people saying this here. I argue the same way on a variety of forums without issue... except here.

**Matt W** · Jun 19, 2007, 07:22 pm

No, it's lots. deal with it, and change your style according to the place. It really is that simple.

Jun 11, 2007, 02:50 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
Zhavric Made of pure win. Posts: 3,795	For all my fans Getting a little tired of this: For a handful of you, I can say "up" and be absolutely sure I'll hear "down" (or "up cannot be proven / up is unknown"). On the philosophy forum, this has gotten silly... where ZNF has actually dedicated an entire thread to attempting to save face for a contradiction of his I've pointed out. Have you guys seen this thread? Z has invented his own lexicon of armchair terminology. It's ridiculous and it's all because he can't bear to agree with me. Why do you guys insist on reading a tone into everything I say? Please post a link to any thread in which I called someone one of the following: stupid an idiot retarded pea brained moronic It's time for volconvo to take a deep breath, loosen up and stop reading tones into everything I post. Theists: supplying volconvo with lose since 2004.

Jun 11, 2007, 07:15 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
improvident Igneous Magma Location: Tennessee Posts: 213	I like the visual aid.. helped tremendously lol You Can't Understand A User's Mind But Try, With Your Books And Degrees If You Let Yourself Go And Open Your Mind I'll Bet You'd Be Doing Like Me And It Ain't So Bad -Alice in Chains : Junkhead

Jun 13, 2007, 02:05 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
Autolykos Logical Phallussy Location: In your internets. Posts: 2,991	Maybe he's just tired of people reading too much into his posts? - Rob "I'd rather be free and alive!" -- Ron Paul Religion isn't the greatest threat to mankind -- authoritarianism is. The Anarcheion Zeitgeist

Jun 13, 2007, 03:44 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
Maryjane Amused Location: Mid Atlantic Posts: 1,282	I admit, I haven't been here long enough to read all your posts, but you seem a bit exasperated in this one. Was the Fart Button your doing? or does the site pick the little links under your thread? I found humor in that, maybe you were just making a funny? Starware Jokes Toolbar That you may retain your self-respect, it is better to displease the people by doing what you know is right, than to temporarily please them by doing what you know is wrong. W. J. H. Boetcker

Jun 14, 2007, 11:33 am	#11 (permalink) (top)
CoffeeSaint Moral Turnip Location: Oregon, US Posts: 2,283	I think, when I have the chance, I should give you a lesson on the difference between tone and explicit statements. You don't throw out explicit insults, Zhav. But your tone is most assuredly, shall we say, abrasive. Reading insults into your posts, considering that tone, is not really a stretch. If you don't like the response you're getting, then change your tone. "Would you like some pie, Dr. Stark?" "Science is my pie. Curiosity, my sweet tooth. Knowledge is my candy."

Jun 13, 2007, 02:21 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
ZNFYRH Volcanic Erupter Posts: 4,375	Autolykos I would be the first one to agree that the opinion of the majority doesn't mean it's correct. But... What if one person tells you that you have a habit in your posting style that is detrimental to conducive discussion, and you disagree with their opinion? Do you assess your posting style for possible changes? That depends on your goal here. But you probably won't, because it's just one. What if five more people say the same thing? Then what if you receive multiple suspensions, infractions, and warnings for those aspects of your style? And what if that isn't just here, but in multiple forums across the Internet? What if your name is synonymous with a certain posting style on multiple forums? Do you assess your posting style for possible changes? It depends on your goal. What you should probably ask yourself is: After a year of multiple suspensions, infractions, and warnings, am I still accomplishing my goal? If your goal is to learn, share information, convincing people you are right, whatever it might be, and you find yourself answering "no," then would you change your behavior? If your goal is to say whatever you want, regardless of how it's perceived, and you are getting those suspensions, infractions, and warnings, then do you belong on a forum?

Jun 15, 2007, 03:02 pm	#13 (permalink) (top)
Matt W Moderator Location: Reading, UK. Posts: 7,191	Add the sig links and you have somebody who comes across as ego personified. I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. -George Best, on being asked what he did with his footballing fortunes.

Jun 15, 2007, 03:08 pm	#14 (permalink) (top)
ZNFYRH Volcanic Erupter Posts: 4,375	Indeed. I find it funny how someone complains about tone read into their posts when their signature is nothing but gloating.

Jun 15, 2007, 07:11 pm	#15 (permalink) (top)
Technosoul Volcanic Erupter Posts: 8,936	Hot air needs a Fan. Ha ha ha ha ha. Well, we color Oprah purple, what's wrong with that? I think I might check some of the past posts and make a list of the names I have been assigned.

Jun 18, 2007, 03:31 pm	#17 (permalink) (top)
Kamehameha34 The dingos! Posts: 4,548	I'm not going to debate you on this. You opened up a thread that lended yourself to examination, so I pulled some quotes of what comes across as a rude tone. People aren't offering criticisms to spite you.

Jun 19, 2007, 07:22 pm	#20 (permalink) (top)
Matt W Moderator Location: Reading, UK. Posts: 7,191	No, it's lots. deal with it, and change your style according to the place. It really is that simple. I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. -George Best, on being asked what he did with his footballing fortunes.