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**Pooeypants** · Jun 10, 2004, 03:39 pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr.Vicchio,
I have no problem, this thread just makes a point IMHO. A mod moved my posts, made it out as some sort of slam on me, not laying out the context of the posts, no defense for me, insultingly titled... hey, if you want to show your bias, what better way then by trying to embarress a member fo the forums then what you did?

Like I said, report to Sean, complaining here won't do any good. Oh and why do you believe that there should defence for the insulting posts you made? You should be old enough to be able to control yourself and act maturely. Or isn't that the case?

tusaki · Jun 10, 2004, 03:41 pm

Well, Mr. Vic is overreacting. But why not discuss things here? this is like saying: "If you've got issues with me, I don't want to talk about it, tell it to the boss"

**Pooeypants** · Jun 10, 2004, 03:45 pm

There's not much to say, I've pulled away other people's non compliant posts into butterface, called them banter etc, no one else seems to mind. And considering that Mr Vicc's were the most offensive amongst them so far, I've got nothing further to say.

Gorgo · Jun 10, 2004, 03:56 pm

If Reagan had any idea what his administration was doing, which I doubt, he was a terrorist of the first order - see Ed Herman's "Ther Real Terror Network." If he didn't know what was going on, which seems to be the case, then he was just a nice 'B' movie actor, who acted sort of well all the way up to the time his unfortunate illness overtook him. I wouldn't wish that on anyone, but I wouldn't wish what happened to thousands of people in Central America because of his administration on anyone either.

Had someone posted a "HITLER R.I.P. WE LOVE YOU ADOLF" thread, I don't think V would think that it was a appropriate to remain silent about his crimes. Adolf is certainly more of a criminal than Ronnie, but again, if Ronnie knew what was going on, the difference was only a matter of degree.

tusaki · Jun 10, 2004, 03:59 pm

I do not think you can or should compare hitler to any president, no matter what your reasoning is.

Gorgo · Jun 10, 2004, 04:35 pm

Why?

Quote:

Originally posted by tusaki,
I do not think you can or should compare hitler to any president, no matter what your reasoning is.

tusaki · Jun 10, 2004, 04:47 pm

The non-rhetorical non-emotional reason is that it is a rhetorical/emotional comparison which, in an argument, will never hold ground and you will not reach the people who you try to convince, only the people who have reason to accept that notion in the first place. Therefore, besides the fact that I really find it inappropriate to compare whatever hitler did to anything anyone else did, it is not a wise choice to use him as a basis for any comparison, no matter how right you think you are in using him.

Gorgo · Jun 10, 2004, 05:47 pm

The only comparison was favorable. The point was not to compare, but to show that 'V' had a limit as to what he would consider a respect the dead thread. He would not respect the dead in that thread.

tusaki · Jun 10, 2004, 06:35 pm

Yes, but only if it was about someone like Hitler, you cannot compare Reagan with Hitler, so it does not show he would not respect the dead. A more fair comparison would be with, say, Bill Clinton.

Gorgo · Jun 10, 2004, 07:06 pm

Well, when you wish to make a point, you use Clinton.

Autophage · Jun 13, 2004, 12:30 am

I don't feel Reagan was a bad leader, just not the one I'd've voted for. I disagree (only 16 now, so his presidency would not have affected me too much) with most of his policies... but I've heard he was a good person. The kind of guy who I'd be friends with, but not in a million years vote for.

Scribbler1 · Jun 13, 2004, 01:19 am

While I can certainly see the point in Mr. V's anger, I have to put my three cents in. While it is very nice to have a respectful tribute to someone you hold in high regard, I agree this may have not been the right place to do it. Politics is a very volatile topic with a LOT of people (remember how the cliche goes, "never discuss politics or religion in a bar") and Mr. V, or anyone else for that matter should have realized that no matter who you pick to pay respect to, there ARE people who will jump in with both feet. Either that, or it was a setup all along and the result was expected. People DO play games like this to start crap up, you know.
Or it was an error in judgement to put the thread on a political forum in the first place, in which case I would advise Mr. V to just relax and move on. It's not like he was the only one here to use poor judgement, is it?

Take a breath and jump back in, Mr. V. I welcome the opportunity to debate with you further, as I think you are one of the few Conservatives here dignified enough to argue intelligently. Wrong, of course, but intelligently! :)

Jun 10, 2004, 03:41 pm	#22 (permalink) (top)
tusaki Playful Location: Groningen, the Netherlands Posts: 805	Well, Mr. Vic is overreacting. But why not discuss things here? this is like saying: "If you've got issues with me, I don't want to talk about it, tell it to the boss" Hope & Dream

Jun 10, 2004, 03:45 pm	#23 (permalink) (top)
Pooeypants Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,609	There's not much to say, I've pulled away other people's non compliant posts into butterface, called them banter etc, no one else seems to mind. And considering that Mr Vicc's were the most offensive amongst them so far, I've got nothing further to say. War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before

Jun 10, 2004, 03:59 pm	#25 (permalink) (top)
tusaki Playful Location: Groningen, the Netherlands Posts: 805	I do not think you can or should compare hitler to any president, no matter what your reasoning is. Hope & Dream

Jun 10, 2004, 04:47 pm	#27 (permalink) (top)
tusaki Playful Location: Groningen, the Netherlands Posts: 805	The non-rhetorical non-emotional reason is that it is a rhetorical/emotional comparison which, in an argument, will never hold ground and you will not reach the people who you try to convince, only the people who have reason to accept that notion in the first place. Therefore, besides the fact that I really find it inappropriate to compare whatever hitler did to anything anyone else did, it is not a wise choice to use him as a basis for any comparison, no matter how right you think you are in using him. Hope & Dream

Jun 10, 2004, 06:35 pm	#29 (permalink) (top)
tusaki Playful Location: Groningen, the Netherlands Posts: 805	Yes, but only if it was about someone like Hitler, you cannot compare Reagan with Hitler, so it does not show he would not respect the dead. A more fair comparison would be with, say, Bill Clinton. Hope & Dream

Jun 10, 2004, 03:56 pm	#24 (permalink) (top)
Gorgo BANNED-Warned multiple times about instigating. User then reported topics multiple times to mess with staff. Posts: 4,412	If Reagan had any idea what his administration was doing, which I doubt, he was a terrorist of the first order - see Ed Herman's "Ther Real Terror Network." If he didn't know what was going on, which seems to be the case, then he was just a nice 'B' movie actor, who acted sort of well all the way up to the time his unfortunate illness overtook him. I wouldn't wish that on anyone, but I wouldn't wish what happened to thousands of people in Central America because of his administration on anyone either. Had someone posted a "HITLER R.I.P. WE LOVE YOU ADOLF" thread, I don't think V would think that it was a appropriate to remain silent about his crimes. Adolf is certainly more of a criminal than Ronnie, but again, if Ronnie knew what was going on, the difference was only a matter of degree.

Jun 10, 2004, 05:47 pm	#28 (permalink) (top)
Gorgo BANNED-Warned multiple times about instigating. User then reported topics multiple times to mess with staff. Posts: 4,412	The only comparison was favorable. The point was not to compare, but to show that 'V' had a limit as to what he would consider a respect the dead thread. He would not respect the dead in that thread.

Jun 10, 2004, 07:06 pm	#30 (permalink) (top)
Gorgo BANNED-Warned multiple times about instigating. User then reported topics multiple times to mess with staff. Posts: 4,412	Well, when you wish to make a point, you use Clinton.

Jun 13, 2004, 12:30 am	#31 (permalink) (top)
Autophage Molten Ash Location: Washington, DC-ish Posts: 103	I don't feel Reagan was a bad leader, just not the one I'd've voted for. I disagree (only 16 now, so his presidency would not have affected me too much) with most of his policies... but I've heard he was a good person. The kind of guy who I'd be friends with, but not in a million years vote for.

Jun 13, 2004, 01:19 am	#32 (permalink) (top)
Scribbler1 Skeptical Patriot Posts: 7,832	While I can certainly see the point in Mr. V's anger, I have to put my three cents in. While it is very nice to have a respectful tribute to someone you hold in high regard, I agree this may have not been the right place to do it. Politics is a very volatile topic with a LOT of people (remember how the cliche goes, "never discuss politics or religion in a bar") and Mr. V, or anyone else for that matter should have realized that no matter who you pick to pay respect to, there ARE people who will jump in with both feet. Either that, or it was a setup all along and the result was expected. People DO play games like this to start crap up, you know. Or it was an error in judgement to put the thread on a political forum in the first place, in which case I would advise Mr. V to just relax and move on. It's not like he was the only one here to use poor judgement, is it? Take a breath and jump back in, Mr. V. I welcome the opportunity to debate with you further, as I think you are one of the few Conservatives here dignified enough to argue intelligently. Wrong, of course, but intelligently! :) Not a day goes by that I don't see something that reinforces my belief that people are idiots.