Paranormal experiences

[improvident]

Thank you rez.. for proving.. that you are.. in fact.. a close minded fool... If you would have read everything i said.. thought about it.. and been open to... get this.. NEW ideas.. then maybe you would have precieved all this a little differently..

1st off.. ghosts.. as i said.. are energy.. of a former human.. or whatever they might be...as i explained with the law of conservation of energy..when someone is alive.. you see only their skin.. their face.. hair.. ect.. their outside appearance.. nothing more... are you saying that is all people are? I sure hope not... therefor when dead.. you are nothing but energy.. unable to be seen by someone alive.. but what is one thing we can see when focused and in moderate to large quantities? Energy.. in order to observe this.. one needs an open mind.. and a little bit of luck.. or good timing.. wichever you belive in...prediction.. is almost impossible.. hence why this has never been proven FACT or FALSE

Im not even going to go into detail on the EMF bit.. for i think i already stated it above.. see also Conservation of energy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thirdly there Mr Criticality had you looked a bit closer perhaps you would have seen the ' ' around the word feed.. meaning this is not an accurate term.. but one used to help convey a message.. no ghosts are not hungry.. thats a stupid concept.. and i feel deeply upset that you would accuse me of actually thinking such a thing.. Becasuse.. as i satted above ghosts have no outward appearance to any live person.. they go about communication and manifestation in different ways.. but their energy alone is not strong enough to accomplish this.. so they use Electromagnectic fields.. wich is the energry around us at all times.. to pull more energy to themselfs

And again.. no.. i didnt say that the other 10% of orbs and what not in photos are ghosts goblins demons ect.. they are simply unexplained.. belive it or not.. there are many things in this world we DONT know about.. ponder that one eh?

[improvident]

Quote by: ldmaniac Sorry if I'm getting off track with this but all of my paranormal experiences have come using the Ouija board. For those of you who dont know what that is this picture should remind you... Anyone else had an experience using one of these?

ouija boards are... weird.. very.. i used to play with them quite a bit.. but ended up quitting.. and it would take some convincing for me to do it again... I have seen the hang peice stand on end with 3 peoples fingers one it.. standing on the pointed end.. not the long one... ive also seen the peice come off of the board and move along the table it was one... last time i played with one i actually talked to someone named katie said she was 683 years old was from hell and had been following me in particular aound for the past 13 years.. that was when it stood on end.. i dont know what to even begin chalking ouja boards up to.. stuff weirds me out anymore...

PS.. sorry for double post lol

[Jimmy the Pro]

Quote by: improvident Thank you rez.. for proving.. that you are.. in fact.. a close minded fool... If you would have read everything i said.. thought about it.. and been open to... get this.. NEW ideas.. then maybe you would have precieved all this a little differently..

Please be considerate of other members on here. Rez has been posting for quite a bit of time on here and the posts rez makes have been far from being "close minded". Understand that there are ways to say that people are wrong without calling them "close minded fools"

Also, this is the rolleyes button :rolleyes:. Use it if you want to talk about a no brainer. It may go over better than brute sarcasm.

These are not personal attacks against you newcomer, these are just things to think about so that in the future others might not chastize you throughly.

Take that as you may.

[improvident]

My apologies... sarcasm... is how i conduct life

[Jimmy the Pro]

I'm not trying to strike you down, I'm just giving you some ideas so people dont strike you down later. I mean no harm to you.

[rez]

Quote by: improvident Thank you rez.. for proving.. that you are.. in fact.. a close minded fool...

So I guess your openmindedness, in this case, some how explains you are not making stuff up?

If you would have read everything i said.. thought about it.. and been open to... get this.. NEW ideas.. then maybe you would have precieved all this a little differently..

I am open to new ideas, but when most of your ideas are based solely on imagination it makes me wonder if you even thought about your belief in your magical world.

1st off.. ghosts.. as i said.. are energy.. of a former human.. or whatever they might be...

If you want to be taken seriously, you need to define your claims more clearly.

as i explained with the law of conservation of energy..when someone is alive.. you see only their skin.. their face.. hair.. ect.. their outside appearance.. nothing more... are you saying that is all people are?

People are composed of cells too...

I sure hope not... therefor when dead.. you are nothing but energy.. unable to be seen by someone alive..

Your personal hopes and fears have nothing to do with reality.

prediction.. is almost impossible.. hence why this has never been proven FACT or FALSE

Which is why its not even a hypothesis. It is just a claim with a lot of hot air to back it up.

[Madeline]

I played with a ouija before when I was younger and my life went downhill from there. I had a car accident, my family fell apart, relationships fell apart, lost a job, and the list can go on an on.:( I think they are conduits for demonic spirits to enter into our world. It's when I gave my heart over to God did my life change for the better. :)

Love,
Madeline

[improvident]

Didnt most great discoveries in science start out as crazy 'magical' claims backed by hot air? Imagination is reality.. anything you can think up.. can be materialized... you think 500 years ago people thought we would be flying in the air like birds.. with ease? no.. all that was crazy magical pish posh.. what about now?

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you tell me?

[Praxius]

Quote by: rez I see that you are willing to mix the supernatural with the natural. Why does energy need to be seen or recognized? How did you observe, predict, and test this idea. or did you even do that?

How about you first explain what Supernatural means..... here, I'll go one step further:

The supernatural (Latin: super- "above" + nature) pertains to entities, forces or phenomena which are regarded by some as beyond nature, in that they cannot be explained from the notions and laws of the everyday world. Religious miracles are typical of such “supernatural” manifestations, as are spells and curses, divination, the notion that there is an afterlife for the dead, and innumerable others. Supernatural themes are often associated with magical and occult ideas.

Just because you can not explain something, does not mean that it does not exist. You, yourself even said:

Why does energy need to be seen or recognized?

So if you can not see it or reconize it, does it still exist? Apparently it does. Nobody ever would have figured out that UV Rays from the sun exist..... until the technology came about to do so......

Why would energy need to be seen? Energy doesn't...... if it did, that would be the first sign of conciousness now wouldn't it? If Energy has conciousness, but had no physical form..... what would you call it?

.....in that they cannot be explained from the notions and laws of the everyday world.

Everyday is current day..... sometime in the future, you may be able to detect what everyone is talking about.

Just because someone can not prove something, doesn't mean it didn't happen or existed..... you yourself have probably had a few experiences in your everyday life that you know happened, but have no way of proving it to those who were not there to witness it.

No, any reasonable person without any personal agendas can see that it is a useful tool to spot energy. It is your personal superstion to associate this energy with ghosts.

And what is the definition of a Ghost? What would cause a concentration of energy to accumulate in one paticular area? What would you call this? A ball of energy? Then what would be the purpose of this ball of energy? Unknown?? Of course.... but since you can not properly explain it.... would you yourself just ignore it and claim it never existed?

There is a drastic energy boost. Why do ghosts need to feed off extra energy? Are the ghosts hungry? Obviously, you are making this up.

Obviously you are not understanding..... a lot of people explain things very differently from one another, but the main message has always been the same.

How do humans survive? They eat and drink food and water which the body converts into energy for us to function properly.

Reptiles are cold blooded and rely on UV Rays from the sun to heat them up..... their bodies convert the UV Rays into energy it can use.

Plants use water and UV rays to live as well.

Even if he was making this up (Why would someone bother to in the first place?) how can you prove him wrong? You can't.

and the other 10% can be assumed that they are ghost, goblins, demons whatever little fairy tale you can think of...right..:rolleyes:

Why not? I suppose you still think the Earth is flat and the Sun revolves around the Earth too? :rolleyes:

The argument can always go back and forth much like a religious debate......keeping a closed mind to anything that can not be perfectly explained will lead to a boring life.

[rez]

Quote by: Praxius Just because you can not explain something, does not mean that it does not exist.

So if you can not see it or reconize it, does it still exist?

like String Theory for example, right? They can not directly or indirectly observe a string, but they atleast have some math to back them up.

Apparently it does. Nobody ever would have figured out that UV Rays from the sun exist..... until the technology came about to do so......

Luckily people saw the sun though, and started studying it.

Why would energy need to be seen? Energy doesn't...... if it did, that would be the first sign of conciousness now wouldn't it? If Energy has conciousness, but had no physical form..... what would you call it?

You are the one defending the person who made the claim that energy can have consciousness. I know I need my physical brain to have consciousness.

Everyday is current day..... sometime in the future, you may be able to detect what everyone is talking about.

The Paranormal is at the stage where it is pure speculation and imagination. How many years has it been at this stage so far? You guys are at a disadvantage because you have no supporting evidence. And like improvident said "prediction.. is almost impossible" so how are you ever going to make a discovery to show me how my closedmindedness was wrong in this situation?

Just because someone can not prove something, doesn't mean it didn't happen or existed..... you yourself have probably had a few experiences in your everyday life that you know happened, but have no way of proving it to those who were not there to witness it.

And I wouldn't want to put people in the position to decide if I was just making stuff up or not. It is about because honest with yourself.

And what is the definition of a Ghost?

alot of supernatural thinkers ahve various definitions, some conflict and others not.

What would cause a concentration of energy to accumulate in one paticular area?

unicorns having anal sex.

What would you call this? A ball of energy?

Quite honestly, I do not know what I would call two unicorns having anal sex. I will have to get back to you on that.

Then what would be the purpose of this ball of energy?

but since you can not properly explain it.... would you yourself just ignore it and claim it never existed?

I would investigate the explanations that are more consistent with reality.

The argument can always go back and forth much like a religious debate......keeping a closed mind to anything that can not be perfectly explained will lead to a boring life.

Until I become comfortable with known things like gravity and quantum physics will I have the audacity to make undiscovered claims.

[rez]

Quote by: improvident Didnt most great discoveries in science start out as crazy 'magical' claims backed by hot air? Imagination is reality.. anything you can think up.. can be materialized... you think 500 years ago people thought we would be flying in the air like birds.. with ease? no.. all that was crazy magical pish posh.. what about now? Airline Tickets and Airline Reservations from American Airlines | AA.com you tell me?

How was flying in the air like birds magical pish posh? Humans saw that it was possible by viewing nature and then replicated the process.

[rez]

Quote by: Madeline I played with a ouija before when I was younger and my life went downhill from there. I had a car accident, my family fell apart, relationships fell apart, lost a job, and the list can go on an on.:( I think they are conduits for demonic spirits to enter into our world. It's when I gave my heart over to God did my life change for the better. :) Love, Madeline

As you can see here gentlemen, this is a prime example of holding a double standard.

If you guys want to put science on the same grounds as magic I am all for it. I know for a fact that science will win all the time.

[improvident]

but only because science... has no intuition

[rez]

Quote by: improvident but only because science... has no intuition

What does that have to do with the fact that science has been discovering new things for 400 years now? The concept of ghosts have been claimed to exist for thousands of years and no scientists were able to deduce anything that could yield results.

If you think you have something to offer to the science realm that can make the field better, then publish your work so it can be peer reviewed.

edit to add: OMG, my post count has three 3's in it!! UHGHHAA BOOGGGAA!!!

[improvident]

Allow me to re word myself... in science.. there is only true.. and false.. a black and white.. if you will

But not everything falls under that.. there are some unknown.. and some grey..

How was flying in the air like birds magical pish posh? Humans saw that it was possible by viewing nature and then replicated the process

Because the way we finally ended up doing it (airplanes) isnt really replicating nature.. i dont know about you.. but ive never seen a jet propelled bird that never flaps its wings... they took nature.. applied what they knew.. and then added IMAGINATIONand viola

[Praxius]

Quote by: rez What does that have to do with the fact that science has been discovering new things for 400 years now? The concept of ghosts have been claimed to exist for thousands of years and no scientists were able to deduce anything that could yield results.

Where do you suppose the concept of Dragons came about? Our ancestors found dinosaur bones and the sort much bigger than any other animals they found at the time and thus, Dragons came to be..... they didn't really exist, but what they were identified and still existed..... it was just identified inaccuratly....... just because you can not prove something without a shadow of a doubt, doesn't mean you still can not give it some kind of identification, even if it is inacurate..... it will then make people in the future want to make it accurate.

If you think you have something to offer to the science realm that can make the field better, then publish your work so it can be peer reviewed.

He he..... yes.... science is the be all end all of explinations...... Science is always right..... wanna know why? Because Science is always an adapting/evolving practice. Science has been completely wrong about many things in the past.... but once they are found to be wrong, they are changed to be correct, therefore always seeming perfect. You're perception of what science really is, is a bit backwards..... but common.

In other words, if a religion thought up something that was true, science would come along, see that it's actually true, and claim it is "Scientifically True/Possible" Therefore, science is right...... even though the religion in question got it right first.

Science is only a category of things that are known to be true by the majority of the population which were gathered from many many various beliefs and experiments by many different people from around the world.

Science can not explain what science can not understand. Science is always evolving as our intelligence and technology evolve...... It's the imagination that fills in the gaps between the logic...... you remember imagination right? We all used to have it when we were kids and eventually got it beaten out of our heads as we merged into society over the years.

Science can not explain our existance, our conciousness, our imagintation... it can only explain partially.... because we're not to that point yet...... same as the concept of ghosts, aliens, and all that other stuff you find hard to believe.

[rez]

Quote by: improvident Because the way we finally ended up doing it (airplanes) isnt really replicating nature.. i dont know about you.. but ive never seen a jet propelled bird that never flaps its wings... they took nature.. applied what they knew.. and then added IMAGINATIONand viola

No, they took other observered phenomena and applied it. Imagination is used in this process, but remember, you do not win the nobel prize for just imagination my friend.