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saltinespike · Apr 9, 2007, 09:05 pm

Inspired by these forums.

A hardened warrior and philosopher of Rome, Matthias, named after the famous apostle, suddenly claims that God is evil. A claim of such epic proportions had never even been thought of before, and is sentenced to death by crucifixion. Waking up in Hell, he cuts a deal with the devil, promising that with Satan’s help, he could overthrow God and possibly bring about the Apocalypse. Join Matthias’ quest to kill God and see just how far people will go to stop him.

Before you send you send your hate mail, I'd like to say a few things.

1. This has nothing to do with my personal religion, for I am an atheist, and believe in neither God nor Satan.

2. Of course, this would be completely fictional and would not be implying on the original apostle himself.

3. Call the main character evil all you want, but it's just another viewpoint, as discussed in the "God is FAR more evil than Satan" topic (Philsophy and Religion).

4. This would also have a philosophical twist on things, explaining what the main character believes and what many others believe.

phoenix_fire · Apr 9, 2007, 09:59 pm

Hardened warriors usually don't make great philosophers. At best, they make frighteningly psychotic ones. Although that would seem to fit here. Mankind is so arrogant.

saltinespike · Apr 9, 2007, 10:37 pm

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Hardened warriors usually don't make great philosophers. At best, they make frighteningly psychotic ones. Although that would seem to fit here. Mankind is so arrogant.

Well, as you may have noticed, he doesn't really go with the flow of what you may call "normal philosophy" at that time.

CoffeeSaint · Apr 9, 2007, 10:58 pm

What could possibly make someone turn their ideas on their heads like that? Who "suddenly" decides that God is evil, having thought previously that god is good, and believes in god's evil so devoutly that they are willing to cut a deal with Lucifer and precipitate the Apocalypse? I can't imagine the trauma that would make someone do that, not realistically.

saltinespike · Apr 9, 2007, 11:12 pm

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What could possibly make someone turn their ideas on their heads like that? Who "suddenly" decides that God is evil, having thought previously that god is good...

Plenty of resons, but that depends on your point of view. I never said that he thought God was good. I think he questioned his beliefs and saw what happened in the past due to God (read the topic I mentioned before).

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...and believes in god's evil so devoutly that they are willing to cut a deal with Lucifer and precipitate the Apocalypse? I can't imagine the trauma that would make someone do that, not realistically.

The reason he would cut a deal could be for multiple reasons that I have not decided yet. Natural rebel, Lucifer tempting him with great rewards, possibly promising him to BE God? Remember, this is only a pitch, and I have not thought out every detail.

Milton Bradley · Apr 10, 2007, 03:06 pm

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What could possibly make someone turn their ideas on their heads like that? Who "suddenly" decides that God is evil, having thought previously that god is good, and believes in god's evil so devoutly that they are willing to cut a deal with Lucifer and precipitate the Apocalypse? I can't imagine the trauma that would make someone do that, not realistically.

When people come the realization that "if" God created everything, then He must have created evil, and Satan, and then let Satan rule the world.

Many people are forced into the "think He's evil camp", or the "think He has a twisted sense of humor" camp just from reading the bible, and interpreting it for themselves. Probably one or two steps from being agnogstic, or atheist, just give'em time.

phoenix_fire · Apr 11, 2007, 01:13 am

Story kinda reminds me of "Angel Sanctuary".

tman_ndsu08 · Apr 11, 2007, 01:42 pm

Shoot, I thought this was going to be a book about volconvo.

Apr 12, 2007, 10:11 am

Technically, the premise--which is intriguing and fraught with potential--lacks the basic fundamentals of sound narrative structure. I suggest you read "Story" by Robert McKee, "Poetics" by Aristotle, and "The Writer's Journey" by Christopher Vogler before you put key stroke to screen.

Or, go to novelist Barbara Kyle's web site and order her DVD-based course.

Regards
S.

phoenix_fire · Apr 12, 2007, 12:21 pm

I'm telling you. It's ABD.

gw120 · Apr 14, 2007, 12:17 am

Good book, I'd read it. You should make Satan the good guy though, make him like the victim of terrible propaganda brought upon by god to make Satan seem evil, when god himself was actually evil. Then make a crazy ass twist, like, it turns out Matthias is the reincarnation of Jesus, who was actually Satan's son.

phoenix_fire · Apr 14, 2007, 02:14 am

Yes...and how about he and Hitler reminisce over a nice tea with the Dalai Lama, Rin Tin Tin, and Matt Groening. :rolleyes:

saltinespike · Apr 14, 2007, 02:30 am

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Good book, I'd read it. You should make Satan the good guy though, make him like the victim of terrible propaganda brought upon by god to make Satan seem evil, when god himself was actually evil. Then make a crazy ass twist, like, it turns out Matthias is the reincarnation of Jesus, who was actually Satan's son.

Eh. You are going a bit overboard. If I were to work on it, I already know what is going to happen.

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At the end, Matthias kills God, but refuses his position as God, for all "righteousness" has left him. Before Satan reaches him to kill him (his ultimate goal was to use Matthias to become God), Matthias kills himself, for he cannot uphold the position of God. If I could possibly write a book off of this, I would make a sequal, and the next book would be a war worse than the Apocolypse.

Everyone would would be murdering for God's place. That is the only thing I have figured out. Don't wanna plan too far ahead.

End of Possible Spoilers

Some people like the idea. Some people don't. I wrote less than a page so far, to test out my story-telling skills. I will post what I have so far if enough people want to see it.

phoenix_fire · Apr 14, 2007, 12:00 pm

Y'know...He has this habit of coming back.

saltinespike · Apr 14, 2007, 03:04 pm

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Y'know...He has this habit of coming back.

Huh?

phoenix_fire · Apr 14, 2007, 05:32 pm

saltinespike · Apr 14, 2007, 05:58 pm

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God.

Possibly in your religion and what you believe. Just because you believe it, that doesn't make it right.

phoenix_fire · Apr 14, 2007, 06:48 pm

If you don't believe it at all, then why should you nitpick over a single aspect like that?

saltinespike · Apr 14, 2007, 07:43 pm

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If you don't believe it at all, then why should you nitpick over a single aspect like that?

Because I like to think from every point of view. I like to think "what would I believe if I were a Christian or if I did believe in a God. It isn't nitpicking either.

By the way, how does God have a habit of coming back when he never left?

phoenix_fire · Apr 15, 2007, 12:21 am

I was referring to Jesus. I don't hold the view that He is exactly the same as the Father, but I could not resist.

Apr 9, 2007, 09:05 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
saltinespike 20-20 Atheist Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 466	Pitch for a book? Inspired by these forums. A hardened warrior and philosopher of Rome, Matthias, named after the famous apostle, suddenly claims that God is evil. A claim of such epic proportions had never even been thought of before, and is sentenced to death by crucifixion. Waking up in Hell, he cuts a deal with the devil, promising that with Satan’s help, he could overthrow God and possibly bring about the Apocalypse. Join Matthias’ quest to kill God and see just how far people will go to stop him. Before you send you send your hate mail, I'd like to say a few things. 1. This has nothing to do with my personal religion, for I am an atheist, and believe in neither God nor Satan. 2. Of course, this would be completely fictional and would not be implying on the original apostle himself. 3. Call the main character evil all you want, but it's just another viewpoint, as discussed in the "God is FAR more evil than Satan" topic (Philsophy and Religion). 4. This would also have a philosophical twist on things, explaining what the main character believes and what many others believe. Last edited by saltinespike; Apr 9, 2007 at 10:50 pm.

Apr 9, 2007, 09:59 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
phoenix_fire Paladin Location: Narnia Posts: 4,277	Hardened warriors usually don't make great philosophers. At best, they make frighteningly psychotic ones. Although that would seem to fit here. Mankind is so arrogant. Place me like a seal over your heart, like a seal on your arm; for love is as strong as death, its jealousy unyielding as the grave. It burns like blazing fire, like a mighty flame. -- Song 8:6

Apr 9, 2007, 10:58 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
CoffeeSaint Moral Turnip Location: Oregon, US Posts: 2,283	What could possibly make someone turn their ideas on their heads like that? Who "suddenly" decides that God is evil, having thought previously that god is good, and believes in god's evil so devoutly that they are willing to cut a deal with Lucifer and precipitate the Apocalypse? I can't imagine the trauma that would make someone do that, not realistically. "Would you like some pie, Dr. Stark?" "Science is my pie. Curiosity, my sweet tooth. Knowledge is my candy."

Apr 11, 2007, 01:13 am	#7 (permalink) (top)
phoenix_fire Paladin Location: Narnia Posts: 4,277	Story kinda reminds me of "Angel Sanctuary". Place me like a seal over your heart, like a seal on your arm; for love is as strong as death, its jealousy unyielding as the grave. It burns like blazing fire, like a mighty flame. -- Song 8:6

Apr 12, 2007, 12:21 pm	#10 (permalink) (top)
phoenix_fire Paladin Location: Narnia Posts: 4,277	I'm telling you. It's ABD. Place me like a seal over your heart, like a seal on your arm; for love is as strong as death, its jealousy unyielding as the grave. It burns like blazing fire, like a mighty flame. -- Song 8:6

Apr 11, 2007, 01:42 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
tman_ndsu08 BANNED Posts: 5,021	Shoot, I thought this was going to be a book about volconvo.

Apr 12, 2007, 10:11 am	#9 (permalink) (top)
sdbest Guest Posts: n/a	Technically, the premise--which is intriguing and fraught with potential--lacks the basic fundamentals of sound narrative structure. I suggest you read "Story" by Robert McKee, "Poetics" by Aristotle, and "The Writer's Journey" by Christopher Vogler before you put key stroke to screen. Or, go to novelist Barbara Kyle's web site and order her DVD-based course. Regards S.

Apr 14, 2007, 12:17 am	#11 (permalink) (top)
gw120 Stabbed By Satan Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 247	Good book, I'd read it. You should make Satan the good guy though, make him like the victim of terrible propaganda brought upon by god to make Satan seem evil, when god himself was actually evil. Then make a crazy ass twist, like, it turns out Matthias is the reincarnation of Jesus, who was actually Satan's son. Economic Left/Right: -9.25 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.79 Reality is fantasy; Facts are perception.

Apr 14, 2007, 02:14 am	#12 (permalink) (top)
phoenix_fire Paladin Location: Narnia Posts: 4,277	Yes...and how about he and Hitler reminisce over a nice tea with the Dalai Lama, Rin Tin Tin, and Matt Groening. :rolleyes: Place me like a seal over your heart, like a seal on your arm; for love is as strong as death, its jealousy unyielding as the grave. It burns like blazing fire, like a mighty flame. -- Song 8:6

Apr 14, 2007, 12:00 pm	#14 (permalink) (top)
phoenix_fire Paladin Location: Narnia Posts: 4,277	Y'know...He has this habit of coming back. Place me like a seal over your heart, like a seal on your arm; for love is as strong as death, its jealousy unyielding as the grave. It burns like blazing fire, like a mighty flame. -- Song 8:6

Apr 14, 2007, 05:32 pm	#16 (permalink) (top)
phoenix_fire Paladin Location: Narnia Posts: 4,277	God. Place me like a seal over your heart, like a seal on your arm; for love is as strong as death, its jealousy unyielding as the grave. It burns like blazing fire, like a mighty flame. -- Song 8:6

Apr 14, 2007, 06:48 pm	#18 (permalink) (top)
phoenix_fire Paladin Location: Narnia Posts: 4,277	If you don't believe it at all, then why should you nitpick over a single aspect like that? Place me like a seal over your heart, like a seal on your arm; for love is as strong as death, its jealousy unyielding as the grave. It burns like blazing fire, like a mighty flame. -- Song 8:6

Apr 15, 2007, 12:21 am	#20 (permalink) (top)
phoenix_fire Paladin Location: Narnia Posts: 4,277	I was referring to Jesus. I don't hold the view that He is exactly the same as the Father, but I could not resist. Place me like a seal over your heart, like a seal on your arm; for love is as strong as death, its jealousy unyielding as the grave. It burns like blazing fire, like a mighty flame. -- Song 8:6