Why do you care if people believe in God?

[Mr.Vicchio]

You did insult people Gorgo, You insulted me and every other religious believer.

If everytime someone mentioned athiesim and we called it a mental disorder or slipped in snide comments about the people that practice such, that would be insulting and wrong.

Oh, I wasn't shocked to see this move here, most of the mods seem to have no clue or agree with insulting others, a few a clue and realize the issusse... so there is still hope.

[Pooeypants]

I don't recall anyone being cautioned for their attack on atheism, unless it happened to be filled with coarse slang, or irrational/illogical.

[Mia]

When do you recall there BEING an attack on athiesm, ouside of the religion and philosophy section? You don't have to caution something that doesn't occur. Regular insults on those who believe in God are overlooked almost completely.

***Gorgo, is calling homosexuality a mental disorder an insult in your mind and/or to most gays?

[Pooeypants]

Quote by: Mia When do you recall there BEING an attack on athiesm, ouside of the religion and philosophy section? You don't have to caution something that doesn't occur. Regular insults on those who believe in God are overlooked almost completely.

So we can't "attack" people based on their political allegience outside of Politics section either then?

[Mr.Vicchio]

So it's okay to insult religious belivers and their beliefs then?

Thanks for clearing that up Pooey, as usual you are most helpful.

[Mia]

Quote by: Pooeypants So we can't "attack" people based on their political allegience outside of Politics section either then?

Sigh...you are missing the point, on purpose, I believe. I only put in the clause 'outside of the religion & philosphy thread' because I don't frequent it and so I wouldn't know if attacks on atheism occur there. I did not say whether it was OK anywhere.

What I do know is that attacks on belief if God are attacked everywhere. Care to answer this complaint, or do you just want to banter?

Quote by: Mia When do you recall there BEING an attack on athiesm...?

Care to answer this question as well? You inferred that attacks on atheism go uncautioned and therefore there is no bias with regard to the reverse.

[asterix404]

You bet your ass it is... when something is taken so far out of conext it must be insulted and the people belittered becasue they are stupid. I mock religion, I find it an archaic thing and I bealve the crhistian chruchs are totally fubard on their views of how people should be brought up in a civil scoiety. I mean look at you and your views on gay people... shall I even bring up teh mential disorder postings and how you look down upon them as living a "life style", and look at me with my socilist backgroud however I have never gone so far as to say I am always right which your religion does all the time. Mine questions everything, yours states fact... mind may bend, yours will fight to the death on something they know to be wrong. Your religion is supsose to be mocked... mine always is.

[Runa216]

What about the regular insults from those who beleive in god to another god? Far too many religions believers hate the other religions because they're wrong. so what's the difference?

I believe one thing, you beleive another, let's leave it at that. I don't think anyone was trying to insult, you just seem to be one of the over-sensitive people that overreact to everything.

and trust me mr V, I see more insults coming from you than anyone else. so in reality, I don't think you're being fair.

Runa

[Chris the Chees]

Quote by: Mia When do you recall there BEING an attack on athiesm, ouside of the religion and philosophy section? You don't have to caution something that doesn't occur. Regular insults on those who believe in God are overlooked almost completely. ***Gorgo, is calling homosexuality a mental disorder an insult in your mind and/or to most gays?

Well that simply isn't true. I have come down on athiests plenty when I think they have broken the rules. Just as I come down on thiests when they break the rules. Maybe if the theists ceased breaking the rules there would be no bias (as you wrongly think their is), as there would be no comparrison to be made.

[rcne]

OK you bunch of nuts: here is the breakdown of belief systems around the world. As you can see Christian is 33 per cent. That means that 66 per cent do not believe in Jesus. So what.

I happen to believe in the divine. Which does include JC as the son of God on Earth, but it doesn't preclude Muslin, Hindu or any Native Culture's God structure from having a path to God either.

Is it a mental disorder - everything is a mental disorder. We are all basically insane and we only fool ourselves when we believe we are not.

If you feel the need to boot me from the private forum Mr V fine, if the mods want to boot me fine.

Life is just not that serious.

Facts are facts, not all, well 2 out of 3 will not agree with you, live with it. Does it matter to me - not one iota, you can remove every reference of God from my life and I will not vary.

http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

Major Religions of the World
Ranked by Number of Adherents
(Sizes shown are approximate estimates, and are here mainly for the purpose of ordering the groups, not providing a definitive number. This list is sociological/statistical in perspective.)
Christianity: 2.1 billion

Islam: 1.3 billion

Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion

Hinduism: 900 million

Chinese traditional religion: 394 million

Buddhism: 376 million

primal-indigenous: 300 million

African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million

Sikhism: 23 million

Juche: 19 million

Spiritism: 15 million

Judaism: 14 million

Baha'i: 7 million

Jainism: 4.2 million

Shinto: 4 million

Cao Dai: 4 million

Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million

Tenrikyo: 2 million

Neo-Paganism: 1 million

Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand

Rastafarianism: 600 thousand

Scientology: 500 thousand


Introduction
The adherent counts presented in the list above are current estimates of the number of people who have at least a minimal level of self-identification as adherents of the religion. Levels of participation vary within all groups. These numbers tend toward the high end of reasonable worldwide estimates. Valid arguments can be made for different figures, but if the same criteria are used for all groups, the relative order should be the same. Further details and sources are available below and in the Adherents.com main database.
A major source for these estimates is the detailed country-by-country analysis done by David B. Barrett's religious statistics organization, whose data are published in the Encyclopedia Britannica (including annual updates and yearbooks) and also in the World Christian Encyclopedia (the latest edition of which - published in 2001 - has been consulted). Hundreds of additional sources providing more thorough and detailed research about individual religious groups have also been consulted.

This listing is not a comprehensive list of all religions, only the "major" ones (as defined below). There are distinct religions other than the ones listed above. But this list accounts for the religions of over 98% of the world's population. Below are listed some religions which are not in this listing (Mandeans, PL Kyodan, Ch'ondogyo, Vodoun, New Age, Seicho-No-Ie, Falun Dafa/Falun Gong, Taoism, Roma), along with explanations for why they do not qualify as "major world religions" on this list.

This world religions listing is derived from the statistics data in the Adherents.com database. The list was created by the same people who collected and organized this database, in consultation with university professors of comparative religions and scholars from different religions. We invite additional input. The Adherents.com collection of religious adherent statistics now has over 43,000 adherent statistic citations, for over 4,300 different faith groups, covering all countries of the world. This is not an absolutely exhaustive compilation of all such data, but it is by far the largest compilation available on the Internet. Various academic researchers and religious representatives regularly share documented adherent statistics with Adherents.com so that their information can be available in a centralized database.

Statistics and geography citations for religions not on this list, as well as subgroups within these religions (such as Catholics, Protestants, Karaites, Wiccans, Shiites, etc.) can be found in the main Adherents.com database.

[Pooeypants]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio So it's okay to insult religious belivers and their beliefs then? Thanks for clearing that up Pooey, as usual you are most helpful.

If I were to say to a Muslim, "At least I don't believe in an invisible sky fairy".
Is that the same as saying, "You towel headdressing shit bag are all delusional for believing in the retarded entity called Allah LMFAO"?

Obviously the latter statement is completely unacceptable, but do you see the former as actually enough to warrant a warning?

[Mr.Vicchio]

Aboslutely.

But then, I understand that religion is something people take as part of themselves, and having someone free to make insults that add nothing to the debate other then to piss others off is piss poor moderating.

[Pooeypants]

Your reporting has been seen to many moderators, none of them so far has issued a warning pertaining to Gorgo's comment. So maybe we're just poor moderators, it's all subjective. If you don't like this place then why do you persist? What enjoyment is it that you get out of here then?

[Gorgo]

Again, Vicchio claims to be a believer, even follows criminals like Bush who claim to be doing god's will, but I think we've established that Vicchio is a false prophet:

A thought, a ramble, Life is one of two things

http://groups.msn.com/AtheistVSGod/yourwebpage1.msnw

[Cephus]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio But then, I understand that religion is something people take as part of themselves, and having someone free to make insults that add nothing to the debate other then to piss others off is piss poor moderating.

Who cares? People believe in all sorts of really ridiculous things from UFOs to God. Just because they think it's important doesn't make it any less superstitious nonsense.

Unfortunately, a lot of them seem to think that just because they feel religion is important, even if it is completely indefensible, that it trumps everything else. It doesn't.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Of course it doesn't Cephus, but then, may I point out, what you said is not an insult, just your opinion.

There's a line, some see it, somecross it, some refuse to acknowledge there is a line.

[Runa216]

there is no distiguishable line. the line is different to different people. I don't cross my line, but I may cross yours. I just don't know where your line is, so I can't not cross it.

Runa

[Starboy]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio Disagreeing on religion I am fine with, Gorgo, and have never siad otherwise. But you know as well as everyone else, that if someone says: "I would love my children just the same but I would urge them to seek Jesus" And your response is: "I wouldn't inflict that little mental disorder on anyone" Your only intention is to INSULT. Such a comment doesn't add to the discussion nor does it bring anyhting other then hate to a thread. You cannot make a reasonable claim otherwise.

It is only an insult because you take it to be an insult. Teaching your kids about the offer you can't refuse as if it were some sort of loving and beneficial thing could only be possible from a person that did suffer from a mental disorder. Until Christians do over their religion they should not be very vocal about it nor consider it to be a paragon of anything. It does have some lofty goals but it also contains some of the most despicable teachings as well. Until you all ditch the bible and create a document that only reflects what you consider to be worthwhile within your religion then expect to be called on your religion. Do not forget, when Hitler was in power everyone had a good job, the trains ran on time and Germany thrived, then there was the bad side. As good as the good side was it is not good if the bad side sucks. The Christian bad side is among the worst there is. If I were a Christian I would tell no one about it. I would be far too ashamed.

Starboy

[Runa216]

yeah, in this world, as horrible as it is, the only way to make a working society is to be hard on a lot of people. of all the people and theories I know, the only way to keep a utopian society is to do some cruel things to a lot of people. I don't agree, but I do admit, the end result would be desirable.

Runa

[Osborn F Enready]

One mans insult is another mans poetry.

Thats the price of free speech Vic, remember what that is?