Why do you care if people believe in God?

[Lullaby Chainer]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio Lullaby, when you make your self a target in High school, you get nailed, write or wrong it's always been that way, has nothing to do with religion, because no Christian church I know of (maybe the idiots in the KKK, I'll grant you that) support violence towards people like you.

I'm talking about the Bible, dear.. :] You couldn't possibly miss that little part unless you didn't read any of my posts.

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio So your point is you made a stink, you are intentionally odd, and someone beat you up so instead of facing the reality that your actions and their ignorance lead to this, you blame religion. Not very bright.

Vic, I don't give a shit what they do to me, so don't lecture me. My point is that the BIBLE promotes intense intolerance to non-believers through the demonstrations of their death in the Bible along with the Bible flat-out saying atheists and any other non-Christian theist is a FOOL.

[Gods_Mercenary]

Saying that someone is a fool and providing historical examples of them dying is far different from saying "go out and ghetto stomp every non christian you see!"

[Lullaby Chainer]

Quote by: Gods_Mercenary They refused to get your brother's inhaler because they were apparently devoid of sense

No, I'm pretty sure they TOLD ME that my brother was giving in to the power of the lord. The BIBLE promotes these ideas. If they weren't deluded with these nonsensical notions, they wouldn't have thought that a supernatural force was overwhelming my brother.

Quote by: Gods_Mercenary What were your reasons in general, I've already adressed these reasons, and began the discussion we are currently solely about you.

And I've carefully explained to you, over and over again, why what you've said is invalid. Address it and stop focusing on my own life experiences.

[Jagged]

Quote by: Gods_Mercenary Hate is a terrible emotion, it defies reason and is the reason that men like hitler can be populists. I try to downplay any hate I may feel to a simple aversion, and never do it to a general group if I can help it.

So? That doesn't mean i don't have the right to hate.

[Gods_Mercenary]

I don't recall any invalidation of my assertions.

And Jag, obviously it doesn't take away your right, but I don't think that th OP was really reffering to legal rights.

[Lullaby Chainer]

Quote by: Gods_Mercenary Saying that someone is a fool and providing historical examples of them dying is far different from saying "go out and ghetto stomp every non christian you see!"

Here's where you just don't understand. I've never said, and others have tried to explain this fact to you, that the Bible says to go out and "stomp" non-believers. I'm going to try to tell you this once again, so please please listen. By saying atheists and non-Christians are FOOLS, and that we never do anything good is spawning hatred and intolerance towards non-Christians. They LIVE by this book and this book is telling them that we are fools, and that we never do anything good. Can't you understand how that is promoting intolerance and hatred? Please, drop the straw man argument.. I'm not saying the Bible tells people to bash non-Christians.. Why you continue to ignore me and continue to insist that I've said that is far beyond me.. but I'd greatly appreciate it if you'd stop. :]

[rez]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio More realistic? Well I have to bring smarter people then you into this... Einstein and God Would you call Einstein a Quack? A man whose intelligence is hampered by silly notions of a non-existent God?

Yes, because he fooled himself into thinking what this god did and did not do. Einstein was completely wrong when he said "God does not roll dice". Some could say because of this self-foolery he was unable to come to an understanding of quantum mechanics.

[Gods_Mercenary]

Quote by: Lullaby Chainer Here's where you just don't understand. I've never said, and others have tried to explain this fact to you, that the Bible says to go out and "stomp" non-believers. I'm going to try to tell you this once again, so please please listen. By saying atheists and non-Christians are FOOLS, and that we never do anything good is spawning hatred and intolerance towards non-Christians. They LIVE by this book and this book is telling them that we are fools, and that we never do anything good. Can't you understand how that is promoting intolerance and hatred? Please, drop the straw man argument.. I'm not saying the Bible tells people to bash non-Christians.. Why you continue to ignore me and continue to insist that I've said that is far beyond me.. but I'd greatly appreciate it if you'd stop. :]

So calling someone a fool is spreading intolerance and hate? And it's not the bible's fault that people follow it word for word, few books in the bible aactually claim that they are anything more than poetic reflections, or semi-historical writings. I believe that the people you dislike are fundementalists, most christians tend to be relatively apathetic towards their faith in everyday life, except for a token moral guidance here and there. Granted, I live in Catholic Massachuetts, talking about jesus outside of church is considered bad form.

[tman_ndsu08]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio take out religion and life is great! Right??

Evil things would still be done by evil men.



At least without religion, good men are no longer enabled to do evil things.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Quote by: tman_ndsu08 Evil things would still be done by evil men. At least without religion, good men are no longer enabled to do evil things.

Yes, the USSR, NK and China are all perfect examples of No religion enabling great happy people!

[Mr.Vicchio]

Quote by: Lullaby Chainer I'm talking about the Bible, dear.. :] You couldn't possibly miss that little part unless you didn't read any of my posts. Vic, I don't give a shit what they do to me, so don't lecture me. My point is that the BIBLE promotes intense intolerance to non-believers through the demonstrations of their death in the Bible along with the Bible flat-out saying atheists and any other non-Christian theist is a FOOL.

Actually no it doesn't, that's where your ignorance is most glaring. Hate the sin, love sinner. That's the Bible man, that's Jesus. Anything else is straying from the message, do people stray and get all high and mighty and think they are enabled to be complete asshats? YEP! Is it pathetic? YEP! Does that mena because some people use the Bible to be shits that the Bible is a book of hate?

Only to the ignorant.

Hateing Gays because of a few lines in the bible is ignorant.

Disagreeing with the Gay lifestyle does not equal hate. I know for some of you folks it does, but that just shows arrogance on your part. And dear Lullaby, being ignorant of the Bible because you don't like that isn't right.

[Jack]

Disagreeing with the Gay lifestyle does not equal hate. I know for some of you folks it does, but that just shows arrogance on your part.

Yet when I say the same thing about religion, I get disagreement. Why is that?

[Yasa]

Quote by: rez Yes, because he fooled himself into thinking what this god did and did not do. Einstein was completely wrong when he said "God does not roll dice". Some could say because of this self-foolery he was unable to come to an understanding of quantum mechanics.

Don't forget prime numbers.

[fushigi]

Quote by: Lullaby Chainer Yes.. the Bible says infidels are fools. The Bible promotes intolerance to homosexuals and says that we must kill those who work on Sunday. The bible is just an overall nasty book that people are ACTUALLY following.

Personally, I think society promotes intolerance to homosexuals, not the bible. Just like some Muslim societies are overwhelmingly anti-Jew and others aren't. The bible is used to justify a great many things, including tolerance and love for one's enemies. It just depends on which parts the believer emphasizes.

Not all Christians are intolerant homophobes. Just the ones raised to hate gays. Your point about the bible arguing to kill anyone who works on Sunday is an excellent point. Legislation means nothing without enforcement.

Quote by: Lullaby First off, I don't see why my personal experiences should be argued, I was justifying my reason to question and even aggressively criticize religion.

First, let me say that I sympathize with your feelings completely. When I lived in Detroit and New Orleans, I was frequently the victim of racism from blacks, which psychologically pushed me towards hating them in return. It was only through substance of mind that I was able to resolve my hatred and realize that people cannot be judged by the groups they're pigeonholed into.

Don't you see the fallacy of your logic? So, some Christians lunkheads beat you up. That doesn't mean all Christians beat up all atheists, and it certainly doesn't extend to other religions. You're too smart not to see that!

It's the old "That bird is blue, therefore all birds are blue" logic failure.

[Lullaby Chainer]

Quote by: Gods_Mercenary So calling someone a fool is spreading intolerance and hate?

Yes. But more specifically, you've ignore that the Bible also says that Atheist can do no good and are corrupt.

Quote by: Gods_Mercenary And it's not the bible's fault that people follow it word for word, few books in the bible aactually claim that they are anything more than poetic reflections, or semi-historical writings.

Religion spawns an attitude that is accepting of beliefs without questions. Such an attitude enables a reader to accept anything in the Bible.

Quote by: Gods_Mercenary I believe that the people you dislike are fundementalists

Yes. There will be fewer fundamentalists the more we criticize religion.

[Lullaby Chainer]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio Actually no it doesn't, that's where your ignorance is most glaring.

Psalm 14

14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio Hate the sin, love sinner. That's the Bible man, that's Jesus.

Some of it. Now your cherry-picking the good parts and ignoring the bad parts.

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio Anything else is straying from the message

That's your interpretation. Not every reader of the Bible thinks like you.

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio Does that mena because some people use the Bible to be shits that the Bible is a book of hate? Only to the ignorant.

The problem is, we're handing the ignorant a gun.. these "ignorant" Christians who's interpretation is different than yours are living by words of hatred. I wish to criticize the Bible, to remove these delusions of hatred.

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio Hateing Gays because of a few lines in the bible is ignorant.

I believe hating anything because a book tells you to is ignorant. That's besides the point. I have a right to criticize religion because many people accept the hateful parts in the Bible.

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio Disagreeing with the Gay lifestyle does not equal hate.

Unquestioningly disagreeing with homosexuality in the context of a fiery Bible spawns hate. Especially when homosexuality is viewed as abominable.

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio I know for some of you folks it does, but that just shows arrogance on your part.

Yes, how arrogant of me. I wish to aid in the decay of people who unquestioningly hate because of what is written in a book.

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio And dear Lullaby, being ignorant of the Bible because you don't like that isn't right.

Please look at the top of the post. You claimed I was ignorant for thinking that the bible says such things.. yet I quote them. Who is ignorant?

[Lullaby Chainer]

Quote by: fushigi Personally, I think society promotes intolerance to homosexuals, not the bible. Just like some Muslim societies are overwhelmingly anti-Jew and others aren't. The bible is used to justify a great many things, including tolerance and love for one's enemies. It just depends on which parts the believer emphasizes.

That's precisely the problem. We have people living by this book. This book doesn't tell you what parts to ignore. I wish to minimize the number of intolerant hatreds by criticizing the Bible. That's my right.

Quote by: Fushigi First, let me say that I sympathize with your feelings completely. When I lived in Detroit and New Orleans, I was frequently the victim of racism from blacks, which psychologically pushed me towards hating them in return. It was only through substance of mind that I was able to resolve my hatred and realize that people cannot be judged by the groups they're pigeonholed into.

I don't hate all Christians, and I never said I did. That's your assumption.

I hate what religion does to people, and I feel it deep knowing that religion took my brother. That's why I mentioned it along with general reasons. I have a personal reason to criticize the Bible (my brother) and many general reasons that often are reflective of my own personal experiences.

Quote by: Fushigi Don't you see the fallacy of your logic? So, some Christians lunkheads beat you up. That doesn't mean all Christians beat up all atheists, and it certainly doesn't extend to other religions. You're too smart not to see that!

Yes, I would see the fallacy of that logic but it isn't mine. You've assumed that of me. I have never said such a thing.

[fushigi]

Quote by: Lullaby Chainer That's precisely the problem. We have people living by this book. This book doesn't tell you what parts to ignore. I wish to minimize the number of intolerant hatreds by criticizing the Bible. That's my right.

But again, you assume absent the book or the religion, society would somehow improve, or be more tolerant, don't you? I say intolerance needs no religion to spread. Soviet Russians and atheist Nazis were intolerant of Jews. Chinese were intolerant of foreigners at least from 1949-78.

Quote by: Lullaby I don't hate all Christians, and I never said I did. That's your assumption.

But you do hate their religion, which is the foundation of their belief. That's like me saying "I don't hate scientists, I just hate the scientific method." It still shows that you're biased against, and intolerant towards, scientists.

[Lullaby Chainer]

Quote by: fushigi But again, you assume absent the book or the religion, society would somehow improve, or be more tolerant, don't you? I say intolerance needs no religion to spread. Soviet Russians and atheist Nazis were intolerant of Jews. Chinese were intolerant of foreigners at least from 1949-78.

It's a start, yes. Methods of hatred cannot be dealt with all at once.

Quote by: fushigi But you do hate their religion

I can't/don't hate a concept alone. I hate what religion does to people.

Quote by: fushigi That's like me saying "I don't hate scientists, I just hate the scientific method." It still shows that you're biased against, and intolerant towards, scientists.

I disagree.. you don't have to hate scientists to hate the scientific method. I hate cake, but I don't hate bakers.

I hate what religion does to people, but I don't hate Christians.

[fushigi]

Quote by: Lullaby Chainer I hate what religion does to people, but I don't hate Christians.

And you wouldn't say that you're intolerant towards Christians or their views?