Why do you care if people believe in God?

[Mr.Vicchio]

Quote by: Gorgo Why are you accusing him of this? He has said that he has never been banned before.

Oh stop it, I asked him if he was KSoD, because you finally gave a name to your "questions" grow up.

[Gorgo]

When I asked him question, you told me I was "accusing" him of something. I was just asking. When you ask it's different somehow. Stop playing your games and get on with the thread.

[Chris the Chees]

Quote by: Trent Very Christian this. You say: "My life is a nightmare, and yet i believe in God" Hhmmm. You say: "In fact, i'll bet that you haven't gone through anywhere near what i've gone through." What a bollocks statement! What are you, a God youself, to think you know anything about me. You say: "So you can f****** s*ut up" So, you don't believe in free speech? Is that because of a bible upbringing? You say: "go die". I say: "Time to live." Oh Yeah - so everyone working in the Red Cross is religious?....Right.

Alright, I know Indie personally, and heres my responce to your post: -

1. I can guarantee that he probably has been through a lot more than you. But if you care to disagree, please do tell me what great disaster has occured to you of late, and I will judge accordingly.

2.

What are you, a God youself, to think you know anything about me.

You write that, then you write the following: -

Is that because of a bible upbringing?

So, you accuse him of making assumptions about people, yet you do exactly that about two lines of text down.

3. Indie has only recently turned towards christianity, he was not brought up that way, there goes your assumption referenced in point 2.

4. Freedom of speach is a myth, and as the song goes feeds no children.

[Trent]

Quote by: Chris the Chees Alright, I know Indie personally, and heres my responce to your post: - 1. I can guarantee that he probably has been through a lot more than you. But if you care to disagree, please do tell me what great disaster has occured to you of late, and I will judge accordingly.

Why do you think you're in a position to do this?

My reply post to Indie was the FIRST time I addressed him directly - in response to this:

Quote by: IndieC My life is a nightmare, and yet i believe in God. In fact, i'll bet that you haven't gone through anywhere near what i've gone through. So you can f****** s*ut up, as you would say, or as i would say "go die".

Okay, I can hear someone's pain in this - someone who may be vulnerable...
but Indie's post to me was the first personal attack. I may not have as much to complain about as your friend, but I have suffered enough pain in my life to make me respond to aggression with defiance.

For the record, I get middle rate Disability Living Allowance for Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.

I also had a rough childhood, and I'm not just saying this now for convenience - luckily I still have the private posts between me and another member of Volconvo discussing the vulnerability of posting around such a personal issue - and they are from weeks ago.

Okay - I have a problem with God. When I was little, I prayed for him to come and rescue me and you know what? He never came. I wasn't rescued.

I apologise for any hurt I may have caused and you know what? I've learnt something valuable here: Our past just keeps on haunting us and disabling us and in the end takes away anything good you may have thought you'd found.

Who needs it?
Fuck it - I'm outta here.

[Mr.Vicchio]

I prayed for my mother to live, she died, I was 7 years old. I didn't understand, and still don't but God has a reason, and I trust him.

[Matrixxx]

Quote by: Trent Why do you think you're in a position to do this? My reply post to Indie was the FIRST time I addressed him directly - in response to this: Okay, I can hear someone's pain in this - someone who may be vulnerable... but Indie's post to me was the first personal attack. I may not have as much to complain about as your friend, but I have suffered enough pain in my life to make me respond to aggression with defiance. For the record, I get middle rate Disability Living Allowance for Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. I also had a rough childhood, and I'm not just saying this now for convenience - luckily I still have the private posts between me and another member of Volconvo discussing the vulnerability of posting around such a personal issue - and they are from weeks ago. Okay - I have a problem with God. When I was little, I prayed for him to come and rescue me and you know what? He never came. I wasn't rescued. I apologise for any hurt I may have caused and you know what? I've learnt something valuable here: Our past just keeps on haunting us and disabling us and in the end takes away anything good you may have thought you'd found. Who needs it? Fuck it - I'm outta here.

[Trent]

Nothing better to do?


"Ridicule is the first and last argument of a fool"
Charles Simmons

"Ridicule is the tribute paid to the genius by the mediocrities."
Oscar Wilde

"When a man curls his lip, when he uses ridicule, when he grows angry, you have touched a raw nerve in domination"
Sheila Rowbotham

"Ridicule is the language of the devil"
Thomas Carlyle

"Nothing has more retarded the advancement of learning than the disposition of vulgar minds to ridicule and vilify what they cannot comprehend"
Samuel Johnson

"Ridicule is generally made use of to laugh men out of virtue and good sense, by attacking everything praiseworthy in human life."
Joseph Addison

"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence."
Frederick Douglas

I just consider myself fortunate that I'm not a moron or a coward like you Matrixxx.

[TheColdTruth]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio It is clear that it is okay to insult religious believers on Volconvo, jsut today I WE were insulted (I.E. if you believe in God, Jesus or the like) You are suffering a mental disorder. This is now acceptable on Volconvo, I say this because a Super Mod made the comment I walked into it by merely mentioning Jesus. I vote we remove religion from the forum title, since posting or mentioning Religion in a favoriable manner just means you open yourself up for insults. After all, you walked into it right?

Get over it. Do you honestly thing I'm not insulted constantly, being an atheist and an anarchist? I know that ad hominem insults only discredit my opponent in the arena that really matters: reason. Take this and keep on fighting, should your side be the righteous (or rational) one.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Quote by: TheColdTruth Get over it. Do you honestly thing I'm not insulted constantly, being an atheist and an anarchist? I know that ad hominem insults only discredit my opponent in the arena that really matters: reason. Take this and keep on fighting, should your side be the righteous (or rational) one.

Here on this site? or in Real Life?

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio It is clear that it is okay to insult religious believers on Volconvo, jsut today I WE were insulted (I.E. if you believe in God, Jesus or the like) You are suffering a mental disorder. This is now acceptable on Volconvo, I say this because a Super Mod made the comment I walked into it by merely mentioning Jesus.

I have one question for any and all that claim to be Christian... and I don't use it as an insult... it's really quite simple really...

Can you show me the passage in the bible where jesus says that it is ok to kill your brother and steal his goods because you think you deserve them more than he does?

I ask it of those that profess to be Christian and yet support the war on Iraq... It is not an insult...

That being said, if you have been insulted for stating you are religious, isn't it part of your teachings to turn the other cheek instead of whining about being insulted?

[SNPete]

Quote by: TheStripey1 I have one question for any and all that claim to be Christian... and I don't use it as an insult... it's really quite simple really... Can you show me the passage in the bible where jesus says that it is ok to kill your brother and steal his goods because you think you deserve them more than he does?

An odd question. The Bible teaches the opposite.

What is your point?

[SNPete]

Quote by: TheColdTruth Get over it. Do you honestly thing I'm not insulted constantly, being an atheist and an anarchist? I know that ad hominem insults only discredit my opponent in the arena that really matters: reason. Take this and keep on fighting, should your side be the righteous (or rational) one.

Friend, I as a Christian suffer the same treatment as you on this site. Could it be that it is not about beliefs, but rather the narrow minded a--holes who feel they need to insult others to feel good about themselves?

[SNPete]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio I prayed for my mother to live, she died, I was 7 years old. I didn't understand, and still don't but God has a reason, and I trust him.

Seriously, what you say is deep and thought provoking. Thank you.

[James]

Quote by: TheStripey1 I have one question for any and all that claim to be Christian... and I don't use it as an insult... it's really quite simple really... Can you show me the passage in the bible where jesus says that it is ok to kill your brother and steal his goods because you think you deserve them more than he does? I ask it of those that profess to be Christian and yet support the war on Iraq... It is not an insult... That being said, if you have been insulted for stating you are religious, isn't it part of your teachings to turn the other cheek instead of whining about being insulted?

You're arguing both sides of this?!
And you can say and do whatever you want because the Bible says to turn the other cheek and you know we will???

Quote by: SNPete An odd question. The Bible teaches the opposite. What is your point?

THAT IS THE POINT... good job...

Now what about the rest of you Christians... having trouble finding that passage?

Quote by: James You're arguing both sides of this?! And you can say and do whatever you want because the Bible says to turn the other cheek and you know we will???

Both sides? Hardly... The question is asked of all who profess one thing and do another and the other a mild cuffing to a whiner... catch the diff?

and obtw, I don't turn the other cheek... TheStripey1's the name and peace tiger's my game...

flexes claws...

[Agent007]

To provide a shelter from such insults is the main purpose of my private group "The Theologists." Please join it if you are truly searching for an asylum and a place of meaningful religious discussions. Thank you.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Seriously. The anti-religion threads around here are chock full of smug anti-religious zealots out to prove how right they are.

WHO CARES what someone else believes in.

Oh I know, the old cop out: "I care when they force their religion on me!"

Yeah okay, heads up people, first off, unless you are forced to attend their church, you aren't being forced to do ANYTHING.

Secondly, religious minded people that have a moral guidance they find in their religion, doesn't mean they are "forcing their religious beliefs on you". What religiously minded people do is voice their opinions through their elected representatives and laws are passed. Don't like it? Consider this, what you want to do, change the world to fit your view point, is NO DIFFERENT then what they are doing.

YOU are hoping to force others to accept YOUR way America (or where ever you are) to live according to your beliefs.

So suck it up and realize that your actions would be NO DIFFERENT then what is all ready the case, so what makes you so right? Why should others change for you?

Because you are "Right" and they are religious fools believing in a fairy tale? At least their "Fairy Tale" is a set of morals and codes that we can all understand, what are your beliefs based on, aside personal opinion?

Think about that.

[Zinkovich]

WHO CARES what someone else believes in. Oh I know, the old cop out: "I care when they force their religion on me!" Yeah okay, heads up people, first off, unless you are forced to attend their church, you aren't being forced to do ANYTHING.

It's what I am forced not to be able to do equally that upsets me. "Who cares if I want equal financial rights as a homosexual?"- obviously most of your brethren do. :rolleyes:

I don't care what somebody else believes in, but will express my beliefs when given a forum to do so. Asking me to be silent in a place or a situation designed for me to speak because you personally feel its somehow repressing or rebelling and demonizing your beliefs and cultural viewpoint is irrational.

Secondly, religious minded people that have a moral guidance they find in their religion, doesn't mean they are "forcing their religious beliefs on you". What religiously minded people do is voice their opinions through their elected representatives and laws are passed. Don't like it? Consider this, what you want to do, change the world to fit your view point, is NO DIFFERENT then what they are doing.

I do not want to change the world to fit my viewpoint, I want it to change in a way that tolerates my lifestyle. In a world that in which I believe cultural and moral truths are subjective except when contingent on certain objective potentials for humanity as a whole, I see no reason for repression nor reformation beyond what is needed- power? Fuck power. It's not anywhere near as good as freedom and comfort afforded a citizen not thrown into times of strife or domestic difficulties due to the decision of some guy signing a piece of paper hundreds of miles away just because he happens to accept a set of different cosmological premises than my own.

YOU are hoping to force others to accept YOUR way America (or where ever you are) to live according to your beliefs.

We are the ones doing so?

Follow the source motivation of most of those in political power doing the repressing in this nation as of this moment, and you will find religion in some form or another.

Meanwhile, atheists such as myself(as in, not all, before anyone nitpicks ) do not mean to restrict anyone's rights nor their freedoms, because they are not absolutists.

So suck it up and realize that your actions would be NO DIFFERENT then what is all ready the case, so what makes you so right? Why should others change for you?

Our beliefs are different. Whereas I do not deny my instinctual nature and introspect keeping it in mind, many allow themselves to rationalise thier instinctual drive to imperialise, to exclude, and to hoard resource merely through thier denial of thier own instinctual basis for thier actions by hiding behind religion and/or spiritualism.

Others do not have any duty to change for me if they do not wish, but I think it would be best if we begin working towards world peace instead of pointing fingers and getting overly concerned with territorial issues concerning America itself("We are a nation under God!").

Because you are "Right" and they are religious fools believing in a fairy tale? At least their "Fairy Tale" is a set of morals and codes that we can all understand, what are your beliefs based on, aside personal opinion?

Education, reason, objectivity, and fact. I do not pretend to know something as cosmologically true to feel a sense of morals nor community, because I already have both.

Think about that.

I did. Do I get a prize? :)