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pam699 · Mar 15, 2007, 02:04 pm

it is claimed that mathematics and science are meaningless in that they entail or collaspe into self-contradiction and paradox. It is claimed that there are paradoxes at the heart of mathematics and science that make them meaningless. The mystry become that even though work and creats a pc or rockets to the moon they are logivally not true . So how can they create usaefull things when by the laws of logic they are false

This author argues
Epistemological meaninglessness is different to and undermines skepticism and nihlism and claims these views entail meaninglessness. Epistemological meaninglessness has its greatest advocate in the philosopher Colin Leslie Dean. According to Dean's version epistemological meaninglessness entials logically via the rules of logic that all our concepts, all morals all relgions, ideas of good , evil, notions of freedom, democracy all our categories, all our ideas, all theses, all antitheses all philosophies all epistemologies, all ethics, all ontologies, skepticism, nihlism, all metaphysics, even logic itself etc in other words all views, are meaningless, epistemologically- as they all logically entail meaninglessness ie self-contradiction and paradox.

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com...essthought.pdf Contentless Thought: Case Study in the Madhyamika demonstrations of the meaninglessness of all views].

The logic reduces all views to meaninglessness even mathematics and science

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com...h_science4.pdf The absurdities or meaninglessness of mathematics and science: paradoxes and contradiction in mathematics and science which makes them meaningless, mathematics and science are examples of mythical thought, case study of the meaninglessness of all views)

. What this meaninglessness means is a question that is dependent upon other views i.e. logic being an epistemic condition of truth or it not being an epistemic condition of truth.. In other words to draw a conclusion form the reduction to meaninglessness of a view/views one must assume some other epistemological ontological or metaphysical position or assumption. Now logic will also reduce these positions or assumptions to meaninglessness such that we in effect have nothing epistemologically to say at all in regard to what the reduction to meaninglessness of all views means ; since this meaning [stemming from a position or view about logic] will reduce to meaninglessness. Thus all we have is silence no more squabbling.]" Even meaninglessness entials meaninglesness logically. Logic when turned back on itself and investigates itself parodoxicaly entials meaninglessness or self-contradiction

(http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com...ntrismbook.pdf Aristotelian logic as an epistemic condition of truth, the grand narrative of western philosophy: logic-centrism, the limitations of Aristotelian logic, the end of Aristotelian logic, logic/essence and language lead to the meaningless of all views).

Epistemological meaninglessness goes beyound nihlism and skeptcism in claiming even these views ential meaninglessness. Epistemological meaninglessness paradoxically even claims that logically epistemological meaninglesness entials meaninglessness. Logic demonstrates that every thing including itself ential meaninglesssness or self-contradiction.

In Dean's version of epistemological meaninglessness Logic cannot prove or disprove anything all that it does is reduce all views to self-contradiction- including itself. What this meaninglessness means is a question that is dependent upon other views i.e. logic being an epistemic condition of truth or it not being an epistemic condition of truth.. In other words to draw a conclusion form the reduction to meaninglessness [ self-contradiction]of a view/views one must assume some other epistemological ontological or metaphysical position or assumption. Now logic will also reduce these positions or assumptions to meaninglessness such that we in effect have nothing epistemologically to say at all in regard to what the reduction to meaninglessness of all views means ; since this meaning [stemming from a position or view about logic] will reduce to meaninglessness. Thus all we have is silence no more squabbling

(http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com...alectic.pdfThe dialectic reductio ad absurdum argument: a method of philosophical argumentation or analysis demonstrating the meaninglessness of all views)

WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THESE CLAIMS

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com...h_science4.pdf

atheist · Mar 18, 2007, 05:41 am

we should all be existentialists. that would be kinda cool. sorry, i'm probably spamming.

**Matt W** · Mar 19, 2007, 08:35 am

If anyone is spamming it is pam. This is a duplicate thread to one in P&R, and will thus be closed. :rolleyes:

Mar 15, 2007, 02:04 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
pam699 BANNED Posts: 583	meaninglessness of science and mathematics it is claimed that mathematics and science are meaningless in that they entail or collaspe into self-contradiction and paradox. It is claimed that there are paradoxes at the heart of mathematics and science that make them meaningless. The mystry become that even though work and creats a pc or rockets to the moon they are logivally not true . So how can they create usaefull things when by the laws of logic they are false This author argues Epistemological meaninglessness is different to and undermines skepticism and nihlism and claims these views entail meaninglessness. Epistemological meaninglessness has its greatest advocate in the philosopher Colin Leslie Dean. According to Dean's version epistemological meaninglessness entials logically via the rules of logic that all our concepts, all morals all relgions, ideas of good , evil, notions of freedom, democracy all our categories, all our ideas, all theses, all antitheses all philosophies all epistemologies, all ethics, all ontologies, skepticism, nihlism, all metaphysics, even logic itself etc in other words all views, are meaningless, epistemologically- as they all logically entail meaninglessness ie self-contradiction and paradox. http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com...essthought.pdf Contentless Thought: Case Study in the Madhyamika demonstrations of the meaninglessness of all views]. The logic reduces all views to meaninglessness even mathematics and science http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com...h_science4.pdf The absurdities or meaninglessness of mathematics and science: paradoxes and contradiction in mathematics and science which makes them meaningless, mathematics and science are examples of mythical thought, case study of the meaninglessness of all views) . What this meaninglessness means is a question that is dependent upon other views i.e. logic being an epistemic condition of truth or it not being an epistemic condition of truth.. In other words to draw a conclusion form the reduction to meaninglessness of a view/views one must assume some other epistemological ontological or metaphysical position or assumption. Now logic will also reduce these positions or assumptions to meaninglessness such that we in effect have nothing epistemologically to say at all in regard to what the reduction to meaninglessness of all views means ; since this meaning [stemming from a position or view about logic] will reduce to meaninglessness. Thus all we have is silence no more squabbling.]" Even meaninglessness entials meaninglesness logically. Logic when turned back on itself and investigates itself parodoxicaly entials meaninglessness or self-contradiction (http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com...ntrismbook.pdf Aristotelian logic as an epistemic condition of truth, the grand narrative of western philosophy: logic-centrism, the limitations of Aristotelian logic, the end of Aristotelian logic, logic/essence and language lead to the meaningless of all views). Epistemological meaninglessness goes beyound nihlism and skeptcism in claiming even these views ential meaninglessness. Epistemological meaninglessness paradoxically even claims that logically epistemological meaninglesness entials meaninglessness. Logic demonstrates that every thing including itself ential meaninglesssness or self-contradiction. In Dean's version of epistemological meaninglessness Logic cannot prove or disprove anything all that it does is reduce all views to self-contradiction- including itself. What this meaninglessness means is a question that is dependent upon other views i.e. logic being an epistemic condition of truth or it not being an epistemic condition of truth.. In other words to draw a conclusion form the reduction to meaninglessness [ self-contradiction]of a view/views one must assume some other epistemological ontological or metaphysical position or assumption. Now logic will also reduce these positions or assumptions to meaninglessness such that we in effect have nothing epistemologically to say at all in regard to what the reduction to meaninglessness of all views means ; since this meaning [stemming from a position or view about logic] will reduce to meaninglessness. Thus all we have is silence no more squabbling (http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com...alectic.pdfThe dialectic reductio ad absurdum argument: a method of philosophical argumentation or analysis demonstrating the meaninglessness of all views) WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THESE CLAIMS http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com...h_science4.pdf

Mar 18, 2007, 05:41 am	#2 (permalink) (top)
atheist life junkie Location: CA Posts: 142	we should all be existentialists. that would be kinda cool. sorry, i'm probably spamming. Sin is salvation. Without "sin" there wouldn't be a concept for "purity" and without a concept of "purity" one wouldn't be able to enter "heaven."

Mar 19, 2007, 08:35 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
Matt W Moderator Location: Reading, UK. Posts: 7,191	If anyone is spamming it is pam. This is a duplicate thread to one in P&R, and will thus be closed. :rolleyes: I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. -George Best, on being asked what he did with his footballing fortunes.