China is preparing for war with NORTH KOREA!

[Nathan Struth]

you should look into this...you don't get sources...

[phoenix_fire]

Even the Chinese would probably think that a stupid idea. Unless of course the NK government isn't enforcing the border any more. Which wouldn't seem to fit the pattern. Sinking ships like that usually like to go down with all hands.

But I'm too sleepy to go on a scavenger hunt for you.

[Osborn F Enready]

Reality check.....

China is preparing for war, with the world.

[notworthabean]

eh oz I dunno. I think that too, hence our bases to grab up the oil in the ME and our air bases in central asia, but a friend of mine whos a big china buff is sure they just want to secure "old china (korea/taiwan) and then just sit there like they did last time they were poweful. I disagree,but he makes a good argument.

[Technosoul]

If China goes to war with the world where will Walmart and other stores get all their things to sell to us Americans? Good greef our capitalistic system would crumble like a dropped tea cup.

[phoenix_fire]

Well, you would think that China would be somewhat uncomfortable having Il as a neighbor, but apparently they look the other way because he keeps the North Koreans from immigrating into China. The last thing they need is more people.

[Nathan Struth]

YEAH? YOU LIKE THAT? WELL MAYBE YOU SHOULD THINK MORE! MORE! WATCH OUT FOR JESUS HE's IN CHINA!

[Nono]

Nice bit of rant there, Nathan.

China is into regional hegemony, no kidding. But probably only the Taiwanese really have much to worry about. I doubt the Chinese will risk their growing prosperity by picking a fight with a nut like Kim.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready Reality check..... China is preparing for war, with the world.

Where is the benefit? They economically rely on the world to purchased their cheap, slave manufactured products.

[GHook93]

Quote by: notworthabean eh oz I dunno. I think that too, hence our bases to grab up the oil in the ME and our air bases in central asia, but a friend of mine whos a big china buff is sure they just want to secure "old china (korea/taiwan) and then just sit there like they did last time they were poweful. I disagree,but he makes a good argument.

True, but China also has a strong desire to slap Japan across the face for WW II! Not saying they are going to do this though.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Nathan Struth you should look into this...you don't get sources...

If China wanted to fight NK, what is stopping them?
US, lol NO!
Russia, doubtfully!
Japan, China only wishes, so they could fight them also.
Islamic fundamentalist, Nope.
South Korea, Nope, they would probably try to create an alliance.
NK, nope China could probably woop them in under a week?

[Gods_Mercenary]

It would create a massive problem for the neighbors to the south, and a huge humanitarian situation. It has to involve the U.S., as they and The SK's control the other border. The North Koreans would be destroyed, but it really wouldn't benefit the Chinese much. Then there's an issue of who gets NK, China won't increase their polularity by seeming to be conquerors, and I doubt they'd give it to the South Koreans, then there's the issue of whether it becomes Chinese style communism (capitalism controled by the party) or a democracy, which I can't see in a place like NK.

[Osborn F Enready]

Ghook said: Where is the benefit? They economically rely on the world to purchased their cheap, slave manufactured products.

What was the East India Company? (Answer in the form of a question)
British East India Company - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Same concept about what China has to gain..... except in global dominance and dependence, through attrition and forced colonization, of the biggest, richest empires in the world, being forced to communism.

Ghook said: True, but China also has a strong desire to slap Japan across the face for WW II! Not saying they are going to do this though.

Who knows what they would do if a extended war takes place utilizing forces from all major allied nations in the middle east, it may just provoke a strike that unstabilizes the world order of national powers, and leave the door wide open for a large sweep across two or three fronts in Chinas favor.

Very doubtful, at least to think it would happen within a year or so, but surely not our of the question if the middle east conflict continues.

China is a sleeping giant with a growing hunger and a nationalist history. Nothing would suprise me.

[Milton Bradley]

Eh, I din't think China wants to take on the world, but I would certainly not doubt that they would team up with somebody to topple the US hegemony.


Nobody could deny that we provolked any action they might take against us.

[Gods_Mercenary]

China benefits from U.S. markets and somewhat friendly, if icy relationship. any war with the U.S. is not to their benefit. Not to mention that the U.S., while lacking in conventional numbers, has probably an equal military,on the whole, and all of NATO would be obligated to join them if attacked.

[RickSp]

Quote by: GHook93 Where is the benefit? They economically rely on the world to purchased their cheap, slave manufactured products.

Are you demonstrating your biases or your ignorance here? Or perhaps both?

Chinese wages are rising and there are shortages of labor. Does your comment about "slave manufacturing" reflect your biases or your ignorance here? Or perhaps both?

Labor Shortage in China May Lead to Trade Shift

Persistent labor shortages at hundreds of Chinese factories have led experts to conclude that the economy is undergoing a profound change that will ripple through the global market for manufactured goods. The shortage of workers is pushing up wages and swelling the ranks of the country's middle class, and it could make Chinese-made products less of a bargain worldwide. International manufacturers are already talking about moving factories to lower-cost countries like Vietnam.

Nathan, why bother posting claims when you have no sources to back it up?

[bishop]

his lack of sources is why this thread was dumped to misc.

Quote by: article The shortage of workers is pushing up wages and swelling the ranks of the country's middle class, and it could make Chinese-made products less of a bargain worldwide. International manufacturers are already talking about moving factories to lower-cost countries like Vietnam.

that could be a vindication of clinton's trade strategy, where agreements were signed with vietnam whereby they would agree to ILO standards in exchange for improved access to our market. in general, the clinton administration supported widening the current account deficit and looked for ways to impose labor standards into bilateral trade deals. in the case of vietnam and thailand, that's exactly what they did. at the time, it looked as if the strategy would fail because china dominated textiles and could undercut vietnamese/taiwanese wages. now, these exporters are being propped up.

U.S. signs generous textile treaty with Vietnam


it chinese labor costs rise noticeably higher than in neighboring countries, i wouldn't be surprised if the multinationals packed up and moved their plants elsewhere. there's nothing special about china at all - aside from their poorly paid serfs.

"The China Price"

Can China dominate everything? Of course not. America remains the world's biggest manufacturer, producing 75% of what it consumes, though that's down from 90% in the mid-'90s. Industries requiring huge R&D budgets and capital investment, such as aerospace, pharmaceuticals, and cars, still have strong bases in the U.S. "I don't see China becoming a major car exporter in the foreseeable future," says GM China (GM ) Chairman Philip F. Murtaugh. "There is no economic rationale." Murtaugh cites high production costs and quality issues at Chinese car plants, as well as just-in-time delivery needs in the West, as impediments.

[RickSp]

As one who was very nearly drafted to fight in Vietnam I find it a pleasing irony that when I bought my kids rolling book-bags from that fine American company LL Bean, I found that the bags were manufactured in the Republic of Vietnam.

Better to trade than to bomb.

Quote by: bishop it chinese labor costs rise noticeably higher than in neighboring countries, i wouldn't be surprised if the multinationals packed up and moved their plants elsewhere. there's nothing special about china at all - aside from their poorly paid serfs.

Somehow I don't think these workers should be thought of as "serfs". The rise of manufacturing wages has been strong and the growth of the Chinese middle class has been nothing short of staggering.

Dissecting China's 'middle class'

Based on an annual growth of one percentage point, the "middle class" people in China is expected to make up for 40 per cent of the total population in 2020, the academy report said.

The growth of the middle class and the burgeoning of trade makes the prospects of China starting wars seem far less likely.

[Scribbler1]

Quote by: Nathan Struth you should look into this...you don't get sources...

Why should we look into this? If you think this a possibility then you must have read or seen something you can post yourself, just to get the ball rolling.


Are you writing a report and need the services of the "Volconvo Institute" think tank, or what?

Let's talk money.

[bishop]

i say "serfs" because of the huge disparity in the wages they earn, vs. workers in other countries..


as far as china starting wars go, i have never bought into that nonsense.. china has centuries of history to show that it is not an imperial power.. the country built up a war to defend its empire, rather than go outward to quash the rebels and expand its empire.. i can't find any historical evidence to justify the jingoistic assumption that china's going to wage war against the free world. like other countries, china is wary of the fact that the u.s. is so significantly ahead of the world in terms of military capability. when we rolled over iraq in the early 90's, china took notice and immediately began to try and shrink the gap.