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Mr.Vicchio · May 23, 2004, 07:09 pm

In a silly passage on Bush strategist Karl Rove, Franken writes on page 146 of Lies that Rove

"orchestrated the most complete takeover of Texas since Sam Houston routed Santa Anna at the Battle of San Jacinto. (Sam Houston was later killed at the Alamo by terrorists.)"

Oops. Sam Houston was not killed at the Alamo. Sam Houston died of pneumonia in 1863, some 27 years after the Alamo.1 This slip is particularly embarrassing considering the fact that the battle cry at San Jacinto was "Remember the Alamo!"2

Let’s hope none of those 14 Harvard researchers are history majors.

http://www.frankenlies.com/alamo.htm

Is Al Franken so determined to defend President Clinton’s record on terrorism that he has to make things up? What about those 14 Harvard researchers? On pages 109-110 of Lies, Franken writes,

"Ramzi Yousef, Abdul Hakim Murad, and Wali Khan Amin Shah are all currently behind bars ... They were involved in [further] plots to kill the Pope and blow up twelve U.S. jetliners simultaneously. But neither happened. ... Why? Because Clinton thwarted them. He thwarted them all."

The truth? The plot to kill the Pope was thwarted by Philippine officials in January 1995, less than one week before the pontiff’s arrival in Manila!1 Abdul Murad was captured after he and Yousef accidentally started a fire in their apartment while trying to mix explosives. Upon interrogation, Murad confessed to the plot to kill the Pope.2

Murad also confessed the details of a plan called Bojinka, the plot to blow up a dozen U.S. airliners.3

When Murad was handed over to the F.B.I. months later, the work (and heroics) had already been done ... by Philippine law enforcement!

The truth is that Bill Clinton had as much to do with thwarting these plots as much as, well, as much as Al Franken did.

How many Harvard researchers was that again?

http://www.frankenlies.com/frankenpope.htm

dotcoma · May 23, 2004, 07:11 pm

Wow, that was a waste of time...

Mr.Vicchio · May 23, 2004, 07:13 pm

What? Its funny stuff

dotcoma · May 23, 2004, 07:14 pm

It's trivial at best.

dotcoma · May 23, 2004, 07:19 pm

If you really want to raise an issue with Franken, I would attack his soft peddling of Gov. Bill Clinton and the racketeering and shady financial "deals" surrounding his tenure in Arkansas.

Mr.Vicchio · May 23, 2004, 08:02 pm

there are plenty of those, but as a Texan, that sam houston line is particularly funny.

PatrickHenry · May 24, 2004, 01:02 am

Mr.V are you misspelling the topic header again?

Mr.Vicchio · May 24, 2004, 05:37 am

PH is that all you can is make fun of my spehlling?

PatrickHenry · May 24, 2004, 05:53 am

The topic header? C'mon Mr.V, it makes our forum look retarded...I know its just typos and I'm tryin' to give ya' some grace. I take liberties with spelling, too, for effect. But we have to look at the header for days, while most individual posts are soon submerged... Please

**Pooeypants** · May 24, 2004, 06:01 am

Quote:

Originally posted by PatrickHenry,
The topic header? C'mon Mr.V, it makes our forum look retarded...I know its just typos and I'm tryin' to give ya' some grace. I take liberties with spelling, too, for effect. But we have to look at the header for days, while most individual posts are soon submerged... Please

It's corrected, now bitch about the topic or this goes where the sun don't shine.

PatrickHenry · May 24, 2004, 06:17 am

Funny thing about Project Bojinka...It points to the fact that the Islamic terrorists were planning to hijack multiple aircraft at one time and the US Gov knew it waaay back in 1995:
http://www.frankenlies.com/frankenpope.htm

Quote:

Murad also confessed the details of a plan called Bojinka, the plot to blow up a dozen U.S. airliners.

Sorta smoking gun for conspiracy, huh? Course, with only $40,000,000,000.00 to spend on intelligence per year, how could anybody in government even conjecture what the baddies might be up to? Probably all Clinton's fault...

May 24, 2004, 12:10 pm

Vic,

Some of the 'errors' read like humor. Was Franken lampooning current events and blind, dittohead devotion?

May 24, 2004, 07:59 pm

Franking is to the Socialist Left what Ann Coulter is to the NeoCon Right. Both are frothing at the mouth fanatics and while Colter has made a few errors in her research, Frankin has made many. He also tries to guise his vitriol (sp) as sarcasm but it only works when preaching to his chior.
MR V. I hope you checked his book out from the library and didn't waste any of your money on his drivel.

Scribbler1 · May 24, 2004, 09:22 pm

Quote:

Originally posted by dave654,
Franking is to the Socialist Left what Ann Coulter is to the NeoCon Right. Both are frothing at the mouth fanatics and while Colter has made a few errors in her research, Frankin has made many. He also tries to guise his vitriol (sp) as sarcasm but it only works when preaching to his chior.
MR V. I hope you checked his book out from the library and didn't waste any of your money on his drivel.

I'm not wasting my money on the book, but I am surprised at the outrage shown by the right when they do their fair share of bashing too.

I agree about your comparison of Ann Coulter and Franken. Not so oddly enough, the two of them are making the staged debate rounds like G. Gordon Liddy and Timothy Leary. These road shows are for entertainment only, just like "professional" wrestling and they tend to make me lose any possibnle faith in their credibility.

May 24, 2004, 09:55 pm

Yep I agree. I have little to no respect for either of them. They're, now both more concerned with capitalizing on their popularity and animosity, in public, than the rightness of their respective positions.

May 23, 2004, 07:09 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,031	In a silly passage on Bush strategist Karl Rove, Franken writes on page 146 of Lies that Rove "orchestrated the most complete takeover of Texas since Sam Houston routed Santa Anna at the Battle of San Jacinto. (Sam Houston was later killed at the Alamo by terrorists.)" Oops. Sam Houston was not killed at the Alamo. Sam Houston died of pneumonia in 1863, some 27 years after the Alamo.1 This slip is particularly embarrassing considering the fact that the battle cry at San Jacinto was "Remember the Alamo!"2 Let’s hope none of those 14 Harvard researchers are history majors. http://www.frankenlies.com/alamo.htm Is Al Franken so determined to defend President Clinton’s record on terrorism that he has to make things up? What about those 14 Harvard researchers? On pages 109-110 of Lies, Franken writes, "Ramzi Yousef, Abdul Hakim Murad, and Wali Khan Amin Shah are all currently behind bars ... They were involved in [further] plots to kill the Pope and blow up twelve U.S. jetliners simultaneously. But neither happened. ... Why? Because Clinton thwarted them. He thwarted them all." The truth? The plot to kill the Pope was thwarted by Philippine officials in January 1995, less than one week before the pontiff’s arrival in Manila!1 Abdul Murad was captured after he and Yousef accidentally started a fire in their apartment while trying to mix explosives. Upon interrogation, Murad confessed to the plot to kill the Pope.2 Murad also confessed the details of a plan called Bojinka, the plot to blow up a dozen U.S. airliners.3 When Murad was handed over to the F.B.I. months later, the work (and heroics) had already been done ... by Philippine law enforcement! The truth is that Bill Clinton had as much to do with thwarting these plots as much as, well, as much as Al Franken did. How many Harvard researchers was that again? http://www.frankenlies.com/frankenpope.htm Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

May 23, 2004, 07:13 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,031	What? Its funny stuff Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

May 23, 2004, 08:02 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,031	there are plenty of those, but as a Texan, that sam houston line is particularly funny. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

May 24, 2004, 01:02 am	#7 (permalink) (top)
PatrickHenry 9/11: Inside Job Location: Hawai'i, Big Island Posts: 10,435	Mr.V are you misspelling the topic header again? "Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams

May 24, 2004, 05:37 am	#8 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,031	PH is that all you can is make fun of my spehlling? Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

May 23, 2004, 07:11 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	Wow, that was a waste of time...

May 23, 2004, 07:14 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	It's trivial at best.

May 23, 2004, 07:19 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	If you really want to raise an issue with Franken, I would attack his soft peddling of Gov. Bill Clinton and the racketeering and shady financial "deals" surrounding his tenure in Arkansas.

May 24, 2004, 05:53 am	#9 (permalink) (top)
PatrickHenry 9/11: Inside Job Location: Hawai'i, Big Island Posts: 10,435	The topic header? C'mon Mr.V, it makes our forum look retarded...I know its just typos and I'm tryin' to give ya' some grace. I take liberties with spelling, too, for effect. But we have to look at the header for days, while most individual posts are soon submerged... Please "Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams

May 24, 2004, 12:10 pm	#12 (permalink) (top)
StoneWT Guest Posts: n/a	Vic, Some of the 'errors' read like humor. Was Franken lampooning current events and blind, dittohead devotion?

May 24, 2004, 07:59 pm	#13 (permalink) (top)
dave654 Guest Posts: n/a	Franking is to the Socialist Left what Ann Coulter is to the NeoCon Right. Both are frothing at the mouth fanatics and while Colter has made a few errors in her research, Frankin has made many. He also tries to guise his vitriol (sp) as sarcasm but it only works when preaching to his chior. MR V. I hope you checked his book out from the library and didn't waste any of your money on his drivel.

May 24, 2004, 09:55 pm	#15 (permalink) (top)
dave654 Guest Posts: n/a	Yep I agree. I have little to no respect for either of them. They're, now both more concerned with capitalizing on their popularity and animosity, in public, than the rightness of their respective positions.