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[dilligras]

Quote by: RickSp Dilly given the number of time that you have called me traitor or worse, your self-serving whining is pretty silly. Why bother?

Hell, boy, ah'd compare ad hominem counts with you any damned day of the week and twice on Sunday! [/Slim Pickens]

And what's worse than a traitor, stabbing his own country's defenders in the back by repeating enemy propaganda where both the soldier and the enemy can view it?

I submit, with all due respect, that there is no worse appellation in time of conflict with those who would murder us all, for the simple crime of being different.

If you commit that which is clearly defined in plain english, have you not gained for yourself the name, irrespective of my making note of it?

To clarify, if you had said the things privately, instead of in such an internationally available forum as this, the definition would obviously have not applied.

If you have a problem with the definition of treason, you have two remedies.......change the definition or change your behavior and delete the offending posts.

PM me with them if you insist that I be belabored with that which I find offensive.....at least no one could accuse you of disregarding your obligations as a citizen.


"I can show you how to make a bomb out of a roll of toilet paper and a stick of dynamite." [/Dale Dribble]



As you were.

[RickSp]

So there you go insulting me, calling me a traitor and worse, while complaining that I insult you. You are piece of work, dilly. A real piece of work.

Rest assured that "work" isn't actually the word I had in mind.

[dilligras]

Quote by: RickSp So there you go insulting me, calling me a traitor and worse, while complaining that I insult you. You are piece of work, dilly. A real piece of work. Rest assured that "work" isn't actually the word I had in mind.

So the elephant in the room of your treasonous comments is to be ignored? I'd say you're in dubious company with that proposal, since it appears to be one shared by most of our (formerly) MSM.

How nice for you. :rolleyes:

As for the schoolyard name-calling, you merely reinforce the prejudice based in past experience that greets the arrival of each new notice of your having squatted to produce some additional offal for our consideration.


As you were.

[RickSp]

Dilly you obviously lack the wits to understand that I find being called a traitor, even by self described red-neck scum, to be deeply offensive. I happen to love my country even if I do not share your blind militarism or your contempt for our Constitution and basic freedoms. Most of what you call traitorous, I consider to be the minimum required for patriotism.

Then again, far better souls than I have been called traitors by the far better souls than you. As Patrick Henry, said , 'If this be treason, lets make the most of fit."

[dilligras]

Dilly you obviously lack the wits to understand that I find being called a traitor, even by self described red-neck scum, to be deeply offensive.

Waaal pardner, I can certainly see how one might get that impression -- especially one without the sentience attributable to a pissant in a hog wallow.

I submit that you mistake my not giving a rat's ass for ignorance......it's not that I don't understand your taking offense, but rather that I just don't care one way or the other, n'est pas?

As I said previously, you have two remedies to the quandry, neither of which includes chastising me for having the audacity to point to the obvious truth.

Have you changed the definition of treason?

Have you retracted your offending words that qualified you for the label and determined not to repeat them in a venue where they may again qualify you as traitor?

If you can answer either question in the affirmative, I will concede that your displeasure is justified..........until then, if the shoe fits, we can't aquit.

I happen to love my country even if I do not share your blind militarism or your contempt for our Constitution and basic freedoms. Most of what you call traitorous, I consider to be the minimum required for patriotism.

Sorry, no pass. You can't really believe that any will be convinced of your admiration for the country and its ideals, while you simultaneously parrot enemy propaganda in a venue available to our troops and that very same despicable enemy.

Then again, far better souls than I have been called traitors by the far better souls than you. As Patrick Henry, said , 'If this be treason, lets make the most of fit."

Oh please.......spare us the self-serving comparison's to our valiant forefathers.

Truth be told, you would be better compared to the likes of Benedict Arnold, were it not for the fact that he actually knew something about military matters, whereas you only pontificate endlessly with tired, worn out lefty talking point banalities, squealing with faux outrage whenever someone dares to mention the likely damaging effects of your ill-considered bloviations.



As you were.

[RickSp]

You know dill, your hayseed verbosity isn't even worth the trouble to read.

And your continued insults say far more about you buckeroo than they do about me.

[Gods_Mercenary]

What does he say that's spouted by our enemies, like bush lied or was extremely incompetant in his claim of WMDs in Iraq? Oh, wait, that's the CIA.

How about another forefather quote? "those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve niether freedom nor security."
Ben Franklin

Since you blatantly denied the validity of one of our nation's most important amendments earlier in this thread, it would seem to be you, Dilli, who is the traitor.

[dilligras]

Quote by: Gods_Mercenary How about another forefather quote? "those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve niether freedom nor security." Ben Franklin

I'll see your quote and raise you:

"Who desires peace should prepare for war" Flavius Vegetus Renatus

"To be prepared for war is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace." George Washington

"I have never advocated war except as a means of peace" Ulysses S. Grant

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse."
John Stuart Mill

And these from the heroes of the lefties:
"War cannot be divorced from politics for a single moment." Mao

"The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic." Joseph Stalin

Since you blatantly denied the validity of one of our nation's most important amendments earlier in this thread, it would seem to be you, Dilli, who is the traitor.

Two inanities in one thread.....bravo, GM.

First, you label me traitor by claiming that I, "blatantly denied the validity.." of a Constitutional Amendment -- ignoring that this alleged offense is in no way mentioned anywhere in the Constitutionally provided definition of treason.

Second, if the freedom were as sacrosanct as you propose, it would be impossible to apply that definition of treason to any speech designed to "aid and comfort" our enemies, Clearly, a ridiculous proposition on the face of it.

Your interpretations would allow any American to go to any enemy -- even in a time of war -- and tell them anything, including troop strengths and movements, mission objectives, weapons being researched, who our undercover spies are, etc, etc, ad nauseum.

So, unless you can tell me how to penalize the speech of traitors without infringing their first amendment "rights", I think you should examine this next quote with an eye toward discerning which of the three is most applicable to this obvious dearth of reason in your arguments.

"He that cannot reason is a fool, he that will not is a bigot. He that dare not is a slave." Andrew Carnegie



As you were.

[dilligras]

Quote by: RickSp You know dill, your hayseed verbosity isn't even worth the trouble to read.

As with all your other insults, I can only agree.......and then wonder why you keep following me around, begging for another thrashing.......are you trying to redefine masochism?

And your continued insults say far more about you buckeroo than they do about me.

Buckaroo??? Gee, I love that kinda' talk.......as for my insults, my goal in each case is to craft a response that best mirrors the level of antagonism and vulgarity displayed by my counterpart, with a little humor and aloofness to spice things up a bit.

The occasional apparent faux pas serves as an effective catalyst as well, wouldn't you agree?

Your feedback is greatly appreciated, in that it gives me some indication as to my sucess in the endeavor.


As you were.

[dilligras]

President Bush is a liberal twit.

[ZNFYRH]

I would normally apologize for interrupting, but the two of you seem to have degenerated into bickering and insulting each other.

The thread started to slip in the posts numbering around the 60's, and Osborn stepped out, but the two of you have really detracted from constructive discussion.

Do you think either of you could see your way to just dropping it? All it takes is one of you to make that choice.

[RickSp]

Quote by: dilligras As with all your other insults, I can only agree.......and then wonder why you keep following me around, begging for another thrashing.......are you trying to redefine masochism?

You amuse me. You are a bad joke that just keeps spouting. Your effluent flows and gurgles like a cracked sewer pipe on a sunny day. The stupid militarism and contempt for this country's values are softened just slightly by your phony hayseed ramblings. Every village needs just one like you, buckeroo.

But OK, that is enough time wasted with this thread. Gurgle on.

[Matt W]

Rick, enough. Give it up and move on. :rolleyes:

[ZNFYRH]

To hopefully revitalize the thread, what would be some more effective ways to communicate with politicians in a way that gets more than just a carbon-copy response?

[dilligras]

Quote by: ZNFYRH To hopefully revitalize the thread, what would be some more effective ways to communicate with politicians in a way that gets more than just a carbon-copy response?

Good post......thank you.

I think it was actually Rick who best addressed your question of effectiveness, when he mentioned that numbers count, and why.

Ignore the canned responses as the time-saving constructs they are........concentrate on the wording of your next letter........and write, write like the wind!!!


Carry on.

[ZNFYRH]

Weren't you the one who wrote the letter in the first place?

I've never had a problem communicating with politicians when I felt it necessary.

I think that perhaps the problem with your letter was that you were too verbose. I have found that a simple statement of what I don't like, followed not with a proposed solution but asking about the politicians perspective (with unique questions to avoid carbon-copies) has always done more than just get a response, but open a dialog.

[dilligras]

Quote by: ZNFYRH I would normally apologize for interrupting, but the two of you seem to have degenerated into bickering and insulting each other. The thread started to slip in the posts numbering around the 60's, and Osborn stepped out, but the two of you have really detracted from constructive discussion. Do you think either of you could see your way to just dropping it? All it takes is one of you to make that choice.

I had already made that choice, in the post just previous to yours........did you not see it?

Quote by: dilligras President Bush is a liberal twit.

Now that we have ascertained that your complaint was unnecessary, would you like to comment on my statement?


In either case, carry on.

[RickSp]

Quote by: Matt W Rick, enough. Give it up and move on. :rolleyes:

What was unclear about:

Quote by: RickSp But OK, that is enough time wasted with this thread.

Seemed clear enough to me.

[dilligras]

Quote by: ZNFYRH Weren't you the one who wrote the letter in the first place?

Yes....and your point is....?

I've never had a problem communicating with politicians when I felt it necessary.

<takes note, while wondering why this vital info is not included in ZNFYRH's profile>

I think that perhaps the problem with your letter was that you were too verbose. I have found that a simple statement of what I don't like, followed not with a proposed solution but asking about the politicians perspective (with unique questions to avoid carbon-copies) has always done more than just get a response, but open a dialog.

And what was it about my letter that gave you the impression that I was attempting to start a dialogue?

What about it gave you the impression that it was anything other than an attempt to express my outrage at the wanton treasons of our media and the politically correct rules of engagement encumbering our troops?

Perhaps I do not entertain any desire to boost my resume' with a list of politicians I have engaged in personal dialogue, for the entirely questionable purposes of my own promotion as one worthy of a minute of their valuable time, n'est pas?

It's spelled, "boat", sailor, not boast. And we're all, as they say, in it together


As you were.

[ZNFYRH]

Filtering out the unnecessary segments of your post leaves me with the following question unanswered.

If you weren't expecting anything to be done about it, why did you even bother?

The most direct way to make my point is to say that you effectively wasted the time of someone in that politician's office who could have spent it on an issue that someone cared about.

You gave the impression in your letter that you wanted a wrong to be righted. If that wasn't the case, why waste your, their, and our time?