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Old Feb 11, 2007, 09:37 pm   #21 (permalink) (top)
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A person who waves a flag that says "Dont tread on me" but has tire tracks all across his person, is pretty funny.


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Old Feb 12, 2007, 01:22 am   #22 (permalink) (top)
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A person who waves a flag that says "Dont tread on me" but has tire tracks all across his person, is pretty funny.
I doubt seriously that you are aware of the significance of the flag, vis a vis the War on Terror, as ignorance is most often the hallmark of the left.


Why do I not trust the left?

Could it be that familiarity has reared the distasteful expectation sired by past offense?

Only The Shadow knows...
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Old Feb 12, 2007, 01:26 am   #23 (permalink) (top)
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and calling someone like Osborn "from the left" is equally ignorant.


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Old Feb 12, 2007, 03:48 am   #24 (permalink) (top)
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If you object to lies, why do you support Bush's War?


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Old Feb 12, 2007, 09:26 am   #25 (permalink) (top)
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and calling someone like Osborn "from the left" is equally ignorant.

Actually Chris, as I look out the portside of MY vessel, quite a few of those here who profess to sail on an even keel may be seen to be puttering blindly along in a fog, ignoring any lighthouse warnings as they steer in counter-clockwise circles looking for the next rocky shore upon which to dash the hopes of their passengers.


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Why do I not trust the left?

Could it be that familiarity has reared the distasteful expectation sired by past offense?

Only The Shadow knows...
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Old Feb 12, 2007, 09:39 am   #26 (permalink) (top)
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If you object to lies, why do you support Bush's War?
Dilly has endorsed lying to the American people as good policy.
He mistakes blind militarism for patriotism, a mistake that Esek Hopkins and John Paul Jones, as well as other original flyers of the Navy Jack would never have made.


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Old Feb 12, 2007, 09:59 am   #27 (permalink) (top)
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Glad to see I am able to at least provide a little comic relief for y'all.....

Well, you certainly do deliver. ( Some of us feel this way anyhow. )


Besides, wasn't it you who self titled himself "redneck scum"?


Wait, you mean you weren't looking for a laugh?
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Old Feb 12, 2007, 11:30 am   #28 (permalink) (top)
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Besides, wasn't it you who self titled himself "redneck scum"?

Wait, you mean you weren't looking for a laugh?
Yep I did.......a laugh? Nawww, I was looking to confront ignorance, as is my wont.

What better way to challenge misguided preconceptions based in politically correct nonsense than to poke the ribs of ignorance, with labels charged with the power of the cattle prod that is purported bigotry?


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Could it be that familiarity has reared the distasteful expectation sired by past offense?

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Old Feb 12, 2007, 11:35 am   #29 (permalink) (top)
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Well, it appears that someone has identified my banner as a Navy Jack.......in fact, it is officially known as the First Navy Jack, and it has particular significance to the WoT.

Anyone know what that significance might be?

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Could it be that familiarity has reared the distasteful expectation sired by past offense?

Only The Shadow knows...
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Old Feb 12, 2007, 11:39 am   #30 (permalink) (top)
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I have to make sure I convey this thought deliberately and carefully.

I think the nobler intent should be in providing active members in the military with more appropriate levels of compensation.

The 20 year old that is dodging bullets for $1,600 a month should be getting more... the 3-Star General sitting in a sheltered bunker calling the shots should not be getting $15,000+ a month.

I make twice as much now as a civilian than I did as a Staff Sergeant in the Air Force with 6 years of service.

The lack of proportional compensation means that there are a lot of officers making lots of money, but not enough enlisted dodging bullets for shitty Wal-Mart wages.
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Old Feb 12, 2007, 12:31 pm   #31 (permalink) (top)
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Dilli, is there a reason why you are speaking in a manner reminiscent of V, except sans alliteration?



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Old Feb 12, 2007, 12:52 pm   #32 (permalink) (top)
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Arguably a valid point, fonceai......it seems to ignore that command comes with its own set of distasteful duties, however, in that they must live with the burden of seeing their men injured and dying, knowing that it was caused by their having to order them into harm's way......not to mention that they have to write the letters of condolence to the families.

Some would portray them as callous and uncaring of the misery they witness and sometimes must precipitate with action against the enemy,

As for me, I try to put myself in their place, knowing that I would not trade my own service as an enlisted man for theirs, in order to sit behind the lines, worrying at the outcome while listening to the screams of warfare on a radio........like the commander in Mogadishu, who requested armor from the UN, and was turned down repeatedly while his men suffered the attacks of literally thousands of Al-Qaeda trained jihadi scum.

True, it seems illogical on the surface, to pay leaders more than those who dodge enemy bullets, but is it not the case even in civilian enterprise?

Should the ditch digger laboring under a hot sun, be paid more than the owner of the construction company?

Should the bank teller recieve more compensation than the VP of the bank?

And the most apt analogy of all.......should the fireman racing into the burning building be paid more than the Chief; and the cop on the beat chasing gang members down dark alleys be paid more than the Commisioner?

Perhaps, but one would be hard pressed to find a case where this is accepted as normal practice.



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Could it be that familiarity has reared the distasteful expectation sired by past offense?

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Old Feb 12, 2007, 01:00 pm   #33 (permalink) (top)
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Dilli, is there a reason why you are speaking in a manner reminiscent of V, except sans alliteration?
Sorry, I'm not familiar with anyone by the name "V".....as for my writing, I like to experiment with different styles.

Besides, it makes it harder for the pinheads of faux academia to pigeonhole me with their elitist crap, don'cha know?


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Could it be that familiarity has reared the distasteful expectation sired by past offense?

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Old Feb 12, 2007, 01:21 pm   #34 (permalink) (top)
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True, it seems illogical on the surface, to pay leaders more than those who dodge enemy bullets, but is it not the case even in civilian enterprise?

Should the ditch digger laboring under a hot sun, be paid more than the owner of the construction company?

Should the bank teller recieve more compensation than the VP of the bank?

And the most apt analogy of all.......should the fireman racing into the burning building be paid more than the Chief; and the cop on the beat chasing gang members down dark alleys be paid more than the Commisioner?
I would challenge you, then to compare the difference in salary between appropriately proportional job responsibilities.

The 3-stars are not the top of the food chain, not by any stretch of the imagination. High, no doubt, but not the highest. And they are still there in the desert, dealing with heat and sand and shit.

That's where the problem is.

Let's use cops as an example.

Average first-year cop pay is $35K
Average 20-year commissioner pay is $85K

So about 2.5x difference.

Your average soldier in Iraq, let's give him less than 2 years in, and a rank of E-3, makes $1,500 a month in salary, before other benefits (which are also scaled by rank).

Your 20 year, 3-star generals are making $11,900 a month.

My approximations earlier weren't far off.

That's 18x more.

Consider the following as well...

E-3's are supervised by an E-5 or E-6, supervised by an E-7, supervised by an E-8 or E-9. There are officers mixed in, but we're talking about the people who write your evaluations. An O-5 writes on an E-9, then O-6, then it gets sticky, because you get into the generals. Brig. Generals, O-7's, write on the O-6, and then up from there it could be anything. I know of O-7's who answer to O-10's. But it's conceivable that a 3-star writes on a 1-star (O-9 on O-7).

From the E-3 to the O-9, there are 7 steps. Seven.

I'm curious how many careers there are out there where someone 7 steps your superior makes 18 times more than you.

I don't even think that many steps exist in most places.
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Old Feb 12, 2007, 01:34 pm   #35 (permalink) (top)
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If you object to lies, why do you support Bush's War?
I would probably support Bush in ANY war against islamic jihadi scumbag murderers, whether he lied about WMD's or not. Consequently, his War on Terror has my full support, despite its misleading name.

Latest Investigation Concludes Bush Lied About Iraq War Intel!


Know what I mean, Vern? [/Jim Varney]


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Old Feb 12, 2007, 01:43 pm   #36 (permalink) (top)
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I would probably support Bush in ANY war against islamic jihadi scumbag murderers, whether he lied about WMD's or not. Consequently, his War on Terror has my full support, despite its misleading name.
And Volconvo, as a whole, shouts a resounding, "Oh no you DI'INT!!"

The link, though, is very valid.

It is, as I'm in danger of parroting too frequently, a matter of laziness and a declining sense of responsibility on behalf of those with the power to correct such oversights.
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Old Feb 12, 2007, 01:59 pm   #37 (permalink) (top)
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Sorry, I'm not familiar with anyone by the name "V".....as for my writing, I like to experiment with different styles.

Besides, it makes it harder for the pinheads of faux academia to pigeonhole me with their elitist crap, don'cha know?


As you were
V is the title character in "V for Vendetta". In a dystopic future Britain, the country is ruled with an iron fist by a "Big Brother" type demagogue whose rise to power was facilitated by a fear-mongering conspiracy that crippled the country and cause the citizens to see its ringleader as a savior. V was an unfortunate casualty of this mechanism: as a political prisoner, he was experimented on and horribly disfigured in a laboratory fire. Years later, he uses anarchy to try to reclaim his country. He speaks in very flowery language, littered with v alliteration.




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Old Feb 12, 2007, 02:01 pm   #38 (permalink) (top)
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Holy crap, phoenix!!

Nice summary.

Did you write that yourself?
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Old Feb 12, 2007, 02:19 pm   #39 (permalink) (top)
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in fact, it is officially known as the First Navy Jack, and it has particular significance to the WoT.

Anyone know what that significance might be?

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The Gadsden flag/Navy Jack was flown by a rag tag assortment of ships and boats which dared to sail against King George and the mightiest navy in the world. Back then, these privateers and early ships of the US Navy were considered little better than pirates, the terrorists of their day, by the Royal Navy.

Today, the Navy Jack is being flown on the masts of the mightest navy of the mightiest empire in the world. Regrettably, the bulk of its operations have absolutely nothing to do with fighting terrorism.

Today's King George can't be bothered with actually fighting terrorism. He prefers to invade or threaten to invade countries who never attacked us while at home systematically attacking the most sacred principles that those who first sailed under the Navy Jack so bravely fought for.

An interesting perversion of history.


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Old Feb 12, 2007, 02:23 pm   #40 (permalink) (top)
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No more Recommend button, apparently...

But I'll plus you for both the history and the irony.
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