Praxius and Captain Chaos, on peak experiences and metaphysics

[Captain Chaos]

Quote by: Praxis Granted I forget most of what was shown to me, since it was a lot of info, but knowing the general concept of what was out there to come, past all the bad and good, I know I'll see it all again and I'm at peace with myself.

What you experienced is known as a peak experience.

Would you mind relating to me what you learned of the structure and purpose of reality during your experience?

[Praxius]

You're missing a "U" in my name, lol.

Well relating to my "Telepathy" moment I explained in a previous thread, prior to that experience what I seen was the following:

(Granted, I am not a big physics and chemistry knowledged guy, but I have some background and I use it to understand what is presented to me.)

When under the influence of LSD, some people talk about the things they see as jumping out at them, or seeing animals, or bugs, etc. I never seen those things.

What I do see is everything around me has life. It's constantly moving, all the while it's not. For example when you look at a picture on the wall, it's not hopping up and down and talking to you, it's just sitting there like wet paint being rolled around the wall...... the tress in the picture are moving in the wind, the water on the beach is flowing to the shore, the clouds are moving in the sky.... it's like a calm summer view.

If you look at a plain wall, you see the bumps and groves in the grain moving a bit and you can see the shadows of the light altering around as you move and it moves.

Now..... why and how does all of this move when you are on LSD, while it doesn't when you are sober? Well when you are on LSD, your pupils open very wide to allow in a lot of information into the brain and your eyes refocus a bit out of the norm.

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Now to what I have experienced in this journey I went on starts here:

As I sat and pondered about why this occurs while on LSD, I looked at my arm. I looked at the hairs, the skin, the freckles, etc..... I notices it's not just my eyes playing tricks on me.... I'm focusing down to the motion of the atoms and cells of every object and watching the life move in each thing in existence.

Everything in the universe, for the most part, is made up of Atoms. Rocks, humans, the earth, clouds, everything. Everything.... even rocks are alive to some certain degree, because they are made up of atoms. When energy is displaced from its original location, it must go somewhere else.

Meanwhile, back at looking at my arm.... I started to look at the movements in the skin, I focused in a certain location and delved into the section of atoms...... think of looking at this, as a biological representation of Neo seeing the code in the Matrix.... not so vibrant and distinct, but similar.

I then thought to myself..... "What is beyond an atom? what makes up an atom??"

And then I went on a little journey..... my mind started to visualize zooming further into the atoms, down to one atom, then through the atom, beyond it's outer structure and then I was in space.... or what looked like space..... I seen a trail of colorful streams of what are now blurs of existence.... what came, what is now, what is to come...... all the many possibilities of what is to come...... and then I pulled out of the streams and I was back into space, zooming by planets, suns, stars, back to planets, and then the planets began to become more familiar to the ones we have around us...... then I saw mars, then earth, then Canada, then Nova Scotia, then right where I live, right back to where I was sitting with my arm to my face........

I then realized that everything is connected in almost every way, in the most simplistic manner. The black space that contains our stars and universe, is the inside section of one atom. What energizes an atom is the universe and us. What keeps the universe and us continuing to exist is the atom.



Link to original image:
http://universe-review.ca/I02-21-multiverse2.jpg

I remember talk about the Multiverse on a few learning channels and how some scientist claim that there are other universes that are layered on top of the one we currently are in. (See above)

I don't know if the above stats similar things as what I am talking about, but the layout of the diagram is similar to what I learned a while back. As they show each of these universes, they are shaped and close together, much like a collective of atoms that make up matter in our existence.

I'll stop there, and let people pick apart what I said so far..... There's a lot too it.... and as I said, I kinda burnt my brain when it all hit me in a span of 30 seconds.

[Praxius]

Adding:

Now what does all this mean and what is the purpose of existence? In another thread I explained what I thought of all of this:

Afterlife
^ See link.

In the above link, I believe the afterlife lies in between the atom's existence and our own as we know it. For further explanation, see above link

(The answer to existence is so simple and easy to understand, words are too complicated to express it.)

[Captain Chaos]

It sounds like it was an awesome experience.

By what mechanism was this information being conveyed to you, during your experience?

[Praxius]

More-so a visual media. I could still hear and feel everything around me as it was, but my vision kinda took over what I was seeing and just kinda displayed it for me to see.

I just kinda thought "What does this look like form the inside" and then it seemed like my eyes just did the work for me and explained it all, and then some. Weither or not it's all right or wrong, I don't know, but I understood it at the time and it was quite the epiphany.... everything was crystal clear for a moment of my life.

It was like opening up a gamer's guide that had all the level's secrets and cheats.

But I'm always someone with a very open and accepting mind for any possibilities, but during this journey, I can't say that I saw any particular God, or extra terrestrial being behind it all.... there was no presence of one solid character.... it was like looking from a plane, down and through a busy highway of everything in the universe doing what everything does. It felt as though this collective of everything existing is what made everything work and flow..... everything working all as one, was the one whole being...... the whole of existence.

It's still kinda all a blur.....

[Captain Chaos]

But...

If this vision was brought to you by an external source. What was the source of that information, and what physical mechanism did it use to bring it to you?

[Praxius]

I am not sure if I understand your question. You mean how did my brain connect to these new concepts that were shown to me?

Um.... I wouldn't say it was an external source, I think it had something to do with my altered pupils and the amount of information that they were taking in. My eyes just decided to focus a certain way, whereby my brain interpreted what my eyes were displaying.

Either an LSD hallucination was the cause in some way, or the LSD actually altered my eye's normal abilities of translating light and energy.

However, the telepathy incidences, occurred at different times of my life, with different frames of mind at each time, so those were not affected by LSD.

As it goes for external..... the only thing was the LSD that I ingested into my system. I looked at my own skin, used my own eyes, and the visions came from my skin...... in other words, in order to understand the universe around us, one must look within.

[Captain Chaos]

Quote by: Praxius I am not sure if I understand your question. You mean how did my brain connect to these new concepts that were shown to me? Um.... I wouldn't say it was an external source, I think it had something to do with my altered pupils and the amount of information that they were taking in. My eyes just decided to focus a certain way, whereby my brain interpreted what my eyes were displaying. Either an LSD hallucination was the cause in some way, or the LSD actually altered my eye's normal abilities of translating light and energy. However, the telepathy incidences, occurred at different times of my life, with different frames of mind at each time, so those were not affected by LSD. As it goes for external..... the only thing was the LSD that I ingested into my system. I looked at my own skin, used my own eyes, and the visions came from my skin...... in other words, in order to understand the universe around us, one must look within.

So yours was an experience in which you accessed knowledge that you already contain?

If this is so, then it still requires a soul or some sort of supernatural information. Certainly, what you learned is nothing we are taught as a baby.

As for the telepathy experience - surely this must require some sort of external connection to the other person? Any ideas on the mechanism by which information was transferred between people?

[Praxius]

Quote by: Captain Chaos So yours was an experience in which you accessed knowledge that you already contain? If this is so, then it still requires a soul or some sort of supernatural information. Certainly, what you learned is nothing we are taught as a baby.

I am not sure on that one.... the things I am explaining that were shown to me, were things I didn't know anything about, nor thought of, until I decided to look up what I saw and try to see if other's had similar experiences.

There were things that I understood that were explained to me in the past, in school, etc.... but how it was all put together and the tings that were shown to me that filled in the gaps was something new, and it made me look at the whole universe in a totally different way.

As for the telepathy experience - surely this must require some sort of external connection to the other person? Any ideas on the mechanism by which information was transferred between people?

All we did was talk..... it was the way in which we talked.... undevided attention, not changing the subject to somethng else, step by step understanding until we noticed that there was something more happening besides just talking......

Once the connection occured, whatever way it connected, you'd watch the person you were talking to start to say soemthing..... after the second or third sentance, you'd start to feel and hear a small faint voice in the back of your head.... their voice.... it was like a 5 second echo of what they were about to say.

Then to test this, I just blurted out the sentace he/she was going to say and they would reply "Exactly..... that's exactly what I was about to say!" and then before we knew it, in about 15 mins of talking, we didn't really need to talk much to understand what we were trying to get accross.

[Praxius]

Weither something external, some terrestrial being showed me the way, or it was just my own brain tapping into something it instictivly knew how to, I am not sure.

Both the experience i had of the journey and the experience I had with telepathy, it felt like something that came second nature to my brain..... kinda like learning how to float in water, before you learn to swim. It's something you can do, you just need to learn how to.

I feel that in time, this will be a common thing we will learn how to do. (ie: evolution of the mind)

[Captain Chaos]

So...

The telepathy experience could have been accomplished with excellent mental modeling of the other person's thought processess, rather than a true direct connection to their brain?



Hmm... have you experimented with other entheogens, like ayahuasca or ketamine?

[Praxius]

[quote=Captain Chaos;318156]So...

The telepathy experience could have been accomplished with excellent mental modeling of the other person's thought processess, rather than a true direct connection to their brain?[quote]

In a nut shell yeah. As mentioned before, I've done this while sober as well (After doing it the first time on LSD)

I have a strong belief that this can be accomplished by anybody so long as you set your mind straight on what you are doing. I feel that our brains are capable ofactivating a certain part of the mind that helps with recieving additional signals we are not normally used to considdering exist.

The only downfall I have encountered in the 3-4 times I have made this work, is that it's quite difficult to make it stop until you goto sleep. Prior to going to sleep, you kinda start to lose a bit of your judgement because I found it difficult to differentiate from my thoughts and other's..... and the other issue, was the mild headache that followed the next day..... which I considdered physical proof that what happened the night prior, did indeed happen (Along with confirmation from those I spoke with.)

Hmm... have you experimented with other entheogens, like ayahuasca or ketamine?

No, the only other things I have tried in my life is Mrijuana/Hash/Oil, LSD, Shrooms, and E..... the shrooms was a very rare occasion, and didn't seem to have the same strong impact on my perception as LSD did. Shrooms was more of a social, good time, ha ha, thing.... with a mild ammount of LSD similarities, while LSD, was the same thing, but on the other side of the spectrum of effects..... much more involving, more visual, in depth thinking, further then shrooms, etc.

And as mentioned before, a few of the people whom I got this "Telepathy" to work on, never tried anything more then alcohol and marijuana.

I've talked in depth with a few people on other forums, whom have a wiccan background, and other's without that background, whom all speak of an "Awakening" that humanity will be coming into, within the next decade (Give or take) and feel that our minds will begin to be able to do more then they can now..... this could be one of those steps.

[Captain Chaos]

I have had quite a number of weird shit experiences.

I asked you all of the questions because I am always hunting for methods to induce such experiences in a way that could be testable.

[Praxius]

Quote by: Captain Chaos I have had quite a number of weird shit experiences. I asked you all of the questions because I am always hunting for methods to induce such experiences in a way that could be testable.

Well if I had a chance to sit down with you one on one, and give me 15 mins, I bet I could make this work.... and it'd just unfold for you in a way you'd go "OMG.... it's so simple it's complicated!"

The thing is, words nessicarily can not describe what in detail you need to do. It's never the same words, but the train of thought and how you get there..... I can say it out right and normal face to face, but on a computer, it's difficult.

Much like hypnotism... it's not hypnotism, but the methods are similar.

[Captain Chaos]

Where do you live?

[Praxius]

Halifax Region of Nova Scotia, Canada

[Cadre]

Reading this was a pleasure.

[Captain Chaos]

I can tell you guys how to induce an out of body experience, if you wish.

I am not convinced this method produces anything more than an unusual sort of dream, but it is interesting.

[Cadre]

I'd be interested in hearing.

[Praxius]

Yeah I'm always up for a journey, so long as I end up coming back from it, lol.