What could be WORSE than bush?

[dotcoma]

One thing they do not have to do is smuggle them into the US.

Then why is there ample evidence to suggest otherwise?

[PhanthomOps]

roxdog:

Evidence presented by whom??

[dotcoma]

Ex CIA, DEA, cops and Justice Department employees.

[PhanthomOps]

roxdog:

Private or documented?? Only asking - I don't know everything.

[dotcoma]

Most of it is pretty much in the open. The Iran-Contra hearings brought a lot of stuff to light but the Bush/Reagan admin had a lot of key witnesses thrown out because most of what they saw went down during the Carter admin. Cele Castillo and Mike Levine (DEA agents) are probably the most well known whistle blowers.

[PhanthomOps]

roxdog:

The Iran/Contra affair, to the best of my knowledge, did not involve smuggling weapons into the US.

[dotcoma]

No, the weapons went OUT to Central America and the Middle East while the drugs CAME IN to our inner cities.

[PhanthomOps]

roxdog:

QUOTE PhanthomOps:
"Smuggling weapons is difficult to stop, just like drugs."

QUOTE roxdog:
"Maybe the CIA should stop shipping them in then."

Okay, I guess there was a misunderstanding of what you really meant as opposed to what you posted. All settled.

However, in-as-much as Iran/Contra happened prior to Bush 43, how can he be held totally responsible??

[dotcoma]

I'm not holding GWB responsible, only the legacy he has inherited.

[PhanthomOps]

roxdog:

Gotcha :) :)

It is a terrible legacy at that. One thing I know, I would not want his job, even if every American would vote for me. I have all I can do to manage my personal affairs, let alone the whold country.

[PatrickHenry]

Originally posted by roxdog, I'm not holding GWB responsible, only the legacy he has inherited.

His own legacy is the Limburger cheese of American presidencies. Let's work and pray it ain't four more years.

The old Clintonista hack, Robert Reich, had a few choice words the a while back:
http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?sectio...&articleId=7507

The Last Word By Robert B. Reich American Prospect Thursday 01 April 2004 W.'s Second Term: If you think the first is bad ... Musings about a second Bush term typically assume another four years of the same right-wing policies we've had to date. But it'd likely be far worse. So far, the Bush administration has had to govern with the expectation of facing American voters again in 2004. But suppose George W. Bush wins a second term. The constraint of a re-election contest will be gone. Knowing that voters can no longer turn them out, and that this will be their last shot at remaking America, the radical conservatives will be unleashed. A friend who specializes in foreign policy and hobnobs with subcabinet officials in the Defense and State departments told me that the only thing that's stopped the Bushies from storming into Iran and North Korea is the upcoming election. If Bush is re-elected, "[Dick] Cheney and [Donald] Rumsfeld are out of the box," he said. "They'll take Bush's re-election as a mandate to wage the 'war on terror' everywhere and anywhere." The second term's defense team will be even harder line than the current one. Colin Powell will go. Condoleezza Rice will take over at the State Department. Rumsfeld will consolidate power as the president's national-security adviser. Paul Wolfowitz will run the Defense Department. Domestic policy will swing further right. A re-election would strengthen the White House's hand on issues that even many congressional Republicans have a hard time accepting, such as the assault on civil liberties. Bush will seek to push "Patriot II" through Congress, giving the Justice Department and the FBI powers to inspect mail, eavesdrop on phone conversations and e-mail, and examine personal medical records, insurance claims, and bank accounts. Right-wing evangelicals will solidify their control over the departments of Justice, Education, and Health and Human Services - curtailing abortions, putting federal funds into the hands of private religious groups, pushing prayer in the public schools, and promoting creationism. Economic policy, meanwhile, will be tilted even more brazenly toward the rich. Republican strategist Grover Norquist smugly predicts larger tax benefits for high earners in a second Bush administration. The goal will be to eliminate all taxes on capital gains, dividends, and other forms of unearned income and move toward a "flat tax." The plan will be for deficits to continue to balloon until Wall Street demands large spending cuts as a condition for holding down long-term interest rates. Homeowners, facing potential losses on their major nest eggs as mortgage rates move upward, might be persuaded to join the chorus. In consequence, Bush will slash all domestic spending outside of defense. He will also argue that Social Security cannot be maintained in its present form, and will push for legislation to transform it into private accounts. Meanwhile, the few shards of regulation still protecting the environment and the safety of American workers will be eliminated. Justice Sandra Day O'Connor will surely step down from the Supreme Court, possibly joined by at least one other jurist, opening the way for the White House to nominate a series of right-wing justices, a list that could easily include Charles Pickering Sr. and William Pryor Jr. After Chief Justice William Rehnquist resigns, Bush may well nominate Antonin Scalia for the top slot - opening the way for Scalia and Clarence Thomas to dominate the Court. Such a court will curtail abortion rights, whittle down the Fourth and Fifth amendments, end all affirmative action, and eliminate much of what's left of the barrier between church and state. Karl Rove and Tom DeLay, meanwhile, will have four more years to fulfill their goal of transforming American democracy into a one-party state. Congressional redistricting across the nation will make Texas' recent antics seem a model of democratic deliberation. Automated voting machines will be easily rigged, with no paper trails to document abuses. Changes in campaign-finance laws will permit larger "hard money" donations by corporate executives and federal contractors who have benefited by Republican policies. Finally, the Federal Communications Commission will allow three or four giant media empires - all tightly connected to the Republican Party - to consolidate their ownership over all television and radio broadcasting. Nothing is more dangerous to a republic than fanatics unconstrained by democratic politics. Yet in a second term of this administration, that's exactly what we'll have.

[PhanthomOps]

PatrickHenry:

Don't tell me you believe everything you read. :( :(

[Osborn F Enready]

Silly Patrick, trying to believe facts and stuff again. Don't you know fashion and sidestepping is the name of the game????

WTF is the world coming too....

[PhanthomOps]

Osborn F Enready:

Boy do you come right to the point. :)

i think bush was the worst candidate for president considering 9/11. he goofed it up big time. we could have prevented it but he was on vacation. we could have kept our favor with the world, but bush had to go for iraq without reason and insult the world. his tax program was no great shakes either and he's an irritating stupid man.

kerry would be a better president because he is flexible, he listens. kerry will be the uniter bush promised to be.

gore would probably not have been as severe as bush and he would have at least looked out for the economy some. bush did nothing positive and he made several situations worse.

patrick: in 1999 i would not have believed you, but i do based on bush's actions during this term. it is critical that we beat bush. i had recently decided to stay in america to finish my degree even if bush is reelected, but these kinds of offenses are untenable. that vision is no america i would willingly be a part of. it would be clear that bush had deliberately raped liberty and hijacked america.

[dotcoma]

Originally posted by PhanthomOps, roxdog: Gotcha :) :) It is a terrible legacy at that. One thing I know, I would not want his job, even if every American would vote for me. I have all I can do to manage my personal affairs, let alone the whold country.

I don't mean some distant legacy. I mean he's still surrounded by some of these criminals. Many of whom are most likely close friends of his father and so on. The boy needs to realize how and why he's in there and come clean with the American people. Enough secrets. We're probably fucked anyway so why not hold a giant press conference and pull a Trafficante in front of the American people? Otherwise his soul is on it's way to hell in my opinion (the same for Clinton and his bunch, they all work for the same people anyway).

[PhanthomOps]

Bob_Dobbs:
Quote: "i think bush was the worst candidate for president considering 9/11. he goofed it up big time. we could have prevented it but he was on vacation. we could have kept our favor with the world, but bush had to go for iraq without reason and insult the world. his tax program was no great shakes either and he's an irritating stupid man."

We possibly could have prevented 9/11, except for the fact that the FBI & CIA were forbidden to talk with each other. President Bush had nothing to do with that.

Check UN Resolution 1441 - The UN were too scared to impose the "consequences" clause - Oh, well the UN is so so good, Opps, the "Oil for Food" program, what was that again???

Quote: "kerry would be a better president because he is flexible, he listens. kerry will be the uniter bush promised to be."

What fantasy comic book are you reading??? He sure as hell is more flexible, just watch how he does the fence jump - he puts a pack of monkeys swinging through the trees to shame big time.

Real big uniter - upon his return from Vietnam not only did he disgrace his uniform, he disgraced his country as well. Real hero, where are those ribbons?? Did they find them yet???


roxdog:
You are right in many ways, not all, but most. One way to give President Bush a piece of our mind, is for the citizens to send letters, emails, etc. on a constant basis. Also, to the members of Congress. If enough people deluge these politicians, they are going to have to listen or be voted out of office in favor of a candidate who will.

[Osborn F Enready]

I would prefer to send him a large caliber projectile hurling at about 2300fps, however, I have sent several letters to the President, his entire administration, all the congress and senators, all of my local and national news stations. Oddly enough, the only response I got was a chain letter saying thanks. How special! What a role I can play in government!!

Wake up, you are not realizing what sits before you here Phantom.

[dotcoma]

FBI & CIA were forbidden to talk with each other

That is the biggest crock ever. The CIA and FBI work in tandem with each other. The CIA provocateurs and implements; the FBI covers it's tracks

[Osborn F Enready]

When dealing with people who REFUSE to accept facts, it is almost pointless to use them and try to reach that level Rox.

Most people who argue about the purity of the three letter agencies either don't know, or have never investigated their history, so unless they are willing to read, and you are willing to teach history, it is almost on the verge of pointless...

UGH!