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CoffeeSaint · Nov 10, 2006, 11:40 am

Yeah, I know; there are too many of these, and they're thoroughly redundant. But they're fun, too. I admit getting a little thrill when Zinkovich was kind enough to proffer my name in LullabyChainer's thread; this way, we can share the love.

In alphabetical order (not best to worst), here are my choices:

Autolykos
The Bacon Guy
Bishop
Captain Chaos
Isherwood
lsbskins1
Osborn F. Enready
RickSp
Zinkovich
zynner

Much of this is based on what I see as the most useful qualities for a debater: the ability to write well and to explain one's thoughts completely; the ability to be either objective or subjective depending on the situation; the ability to thoroughly savage trolls and one-post-wonders. I also want to mention that the best one-on-one argument I've read was between Pale Rider and Technosoul in the Life Begins at Conception thread; excellent work on both sides, and an object lesson in how useless debate can be when people do not find common ground.

EDIT TO ADD: I'm changing this list, because I just realized I left off two of my very favorite posters: Bacon Guy and Captain Chaos. So off go Chris the Chees and MattW. Forgive me, Captain, Bacon; all I can say is I must not have had enough coffee this morning.

Apologist · Nov 10, 2006, 11:47 am

I think Patrick Henry should be on there. A few of your names I don't agree with as well.

Fonceai · Nov 10, 2006, 12:25 pm

I'd drop Osborn and RickSp from that list and add CoffeeSaint and brien.

Mainly because I consider a good debater as someone able to engage in intelligent discourse on any topic, not just troll the subjects where they can push their own particular ideology. I also think subjectivity has no place in formal spoken debate, as the winner is usually determined as the one who can present irrefutable objective reasoning. I tend to align that to online debate as well... since we have the ability to post links to proof, if we are debating but can't prove opinions with facts, then we lose. If we are just discussing, then subjectivity is fine.

But then again, I am nothing like this online persona, and I use this representation to refine debating points that I use in live debates against real people where you have to rely on objectivity and don't have sources to cite other than the ones you memorize to mention. I didn't think online debating would be much different, but the anonymity and ability to insult other people tends to be too enticing.

CoffeeSaint · Nov 10, 2006, 12:25 pm

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Quote by: Apologist

I think Patrick Henry should be on there. A few of your names I don't agree with as well.

Great; post your own top ten and put PH on there.

Apologist · Nov 10, 2006, 12:29 pm

hehe, no. takes to long to investigate.

iahag · Nov 10, 2006, 05:12 pm

Depends entirely on ones personal preference with regards to the methodology of ones thinking and what precisely makes a 'good' argument. That said, ignorance can be arbitrarily measured for everyone, and I stand guilty

.

The Bacon Guy · Nov 10, 2006, 05:49 pm

In no particular order:

Autolykos
Isherwood
Captain Chaos
G. Adams
Coffeesaint
Osborn F Enready
RickSP
Pale Rider
Tivodan
Bishop

Of course, all of the above pale in comparison to myself.

Nono · Nov 10, 2006, 05:53 pm

I don't think PaleRIder rates, if only owing to the lack of debate breadth. Has he posted on anything other than abortion in the past two years?

Lullaby Chainer · Nov 10, 2006, 06:15 pm

Quote:

Quote by: CoffeeSaint

Yeah, I know; there are too many of these, and they're thoroughly redundant. But they're fun, too. I admit getting a little thrill when Zinkovich was kind enough to proffer my name in LullabyChainer's thread; this way, we can share the love.

In alphabetical order (not best to worst), here are my choices:

Autolykos
The Bacon Guy
Bishop
Captain Chaos
Isherwood
lsbskins1
Osborn F. Enready
RickSp
Zinkovich
zynner

Much of this is based on what I see as the most useful qualities for a debater: the ability to write well and to explain one's thoughts completely; the ability to be either objective or subjective depending on the situation; the ability to thoroughly savage trolls and one-post-wonders. I also want to mention that the best one-on-one argument I've read was between Pale Rider and Technosoul in the Life Begins at Conception thread; excellent work on both sides, and an object lesson in how useless debate can be when people do not find common ground.

EDIT TO ADD: I'm changing this list, because I just realized I left off two of my very favorite posters: Bacon Guy and Captain Chaos. So off go Chris the Chees and MattW. Forgive me, Captain, Bacon; all I can say is I must not have had enough coffee this morning.

I think you made a minor typo. You spell my name L-u-l-l-a-b-y-c-h-a-i-n-e-r not i-s-h-e-r-w-o-o-d

It's not big deal, just figured I'd point it out before someone else did.

The Bacon Guy · Nov 10, 2006, 07:36 pm

Quote:

Quote by: Nono

I don't think PaleRIder rates, if only owing to the lack of debate breadth. Has he posted on anything other than abortion in the past two years?

Well, no. But 700+ posts on the one topic. You've got to respect dedication like that.

phoenix_fire · Nov 10, 2006, 08:18 pm

These threads are pointless. I will vehemently deny that I say this because I have made no one's list. That had nothing to do with it!

But seriously. Sooner or later, it's going to be men in thongs again.

The Bacon Guy · Nov 10, 2006, 09:26 pm

One can only hope...

Nono · Nov 11, 2006, 06:01 am

Quote:

Quote by: Bakin

You've got to respect dedication like that.

That's what Goebbels said, only he used the term "fanaticism".

Fonceai · Nov 11, 2006, 07:30 am

Men's thongs... 4 TEH W!NN@R!!

bishop · Nov 11, 2006, 08:32 am

most everyone's good.. it's probably easier to find the people who are the worst debaters..

sonart, scribbler, nono, zeebadee and brien are no mental slouches either...

namguy69 · Nov 11, 2006, 12:13 pm

Quote:

Quote by: phoenix_fire

These threads are pointless. I will vehemently deny that I say this because I have made no one's list. That had nothing to do with it!

But seriously. Sooner or later, it's going to be men in thongs again.

I agree with you 100%...

tinybear · Nov 11, 2006, 01:40 pm

I nominate tinybear.

**Chris the Chees** · Nov 11, 2006, 01:58 pm

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So off go Chris the Chees and MattW.

Ah well, I guess i'll just have to cry my self to sleep tonight.

I don't do nearly as much debating as i used to since I became a mod, I find you have to take something of a step back and not get to involved.

Well thats the excuse anyway.

tinybear · Nov 11, 2006, 02:29 pm

Debate Topic: Who has The Fairest Legs Of All?

OK, guys, DEBATE!!!

Fonceai · Nov 11, 2006, 02:48 pm

@Chris the Chees

On that I agree.

On the sites I mod I've had to give up posting, because I find it interferes with objectivity in modding.

Nov 10, 2006, 11:40 am	#1 (permalink) (top)
CoffeeSaint Moral Turnip Location: Oregon, US Posts: 2,283	Top Ten Volconvo Debaters Yeah, I know; there are too many of these, and they're thoroughly redundant. But they're fun, too. I admit getting a little thrill when Zinkovich was kind enough to proffer my name in LullabyChainer's thread; this way, we can share the love. In alphabetical order (not best to worst), here are my choices: Autolykos The Bacon Guy Bishop Captain Chaos Isherwood lsbskins1 Osborn F. Enready RickSp Zinkovich zynner Much of this is based on what I see as the most useful qualities for a debater: the ability to write well and to explain one's thoughts completely; the ability to be either objective or subjective depending on the situation; the ability to thoroughly savage trolls and one-post-wonders. I also want to mention that the best one-on-one argument I've read was between Pale Rider and Technosoul in the Life Begins at Conception thread; excellent work on both sides, and an object lesson in how useless debate can be when people do not find common ground. EDIT TO ADD: I'm changing this list, because I just realized I left off two of my very favorite posters: Bacon Guy and Captain Chaos. So off go Chris the Chees and MattW. Forgive me, Captain, Bacon; all I can say is I must not have had enough coffee this morning. "Would you like some pie, Dr. Stark?" "Science is my pie. Curiosity, my sweet tooth. Knowledge is my candy." Last edited by CoffeeSaint; Nov 10, 2006 at 01:42 pm.

Nov 10, 2006, 11:47 am	#2 (permalink) (top)
Apologist God Bless Posts: 166	I think Patrick Henry should be on there. A few of your names I don't agree with as well. "If, instead of a gem, or even a flower, we should cast the gift of a loving thought into the heart of a friend, that would be giving as the angels give." George MacDonald

Nov 10, 2006, 12:29 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
Apologist God Bless Posts: 166	hehe, no. takes to long to investigate. "If, instead of a gem, or even a flower, we should cast the gift of a loving thought into the heart of a friend, that would be giving as the angels give." George MacDonald

Nov 10, 2006, 05:12 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
iahag Skeptic of Skeptics Location: Bristol/Plymouth Posts: 219	Depends entirely on ones personal preference with regards to the methodology of ones thinking and what precisely makes a 'good' argument. That said, ignorance can be arbitrarily measured for everyone, and I stand guilty . The more painless an exercise, the more likely you are of doing it. The more painful an exercise, the more likely you are of learning from it.

Nov 10, 2006, 05:53 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
Nono Throbbing Member Location: Old Europe Posts: 7,161	I don't think PaleRIder rates, if only owing to the lack of debate breadth. Has he posted on anything other than abortion in the past two years? "I wish I was as cocksure of anything as Tom Macaulay is of everything." -- Viscount Melbourne

Nov 10, 2006, 12:25 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
Fonceai BANNED Location: New York Posts: 4,217	I'd drop Osborn and RickSp from that list and add CoffeeSaint and brien. Mainly because I consider a good debater as someone able to engage in intelligent discourse on any topic, not just troll the subjects where they can push their own particular ideology. I also think subjectivity has no place in formal spoken debate, as the winner is usually determined as the one who can present irrefutable objective reasoning. I tend to align that to online debate as well... since we have the ability to post links to proof, if we are debating but can't prove opinions with facts, then we lose. If we are just discussing, then subjectivity is fine. But then again, I am nothing like this online persona, and I use this representation to refine debating points that I use in live debates against real people where you have to rely on objectivity and don't have sources to cite other than the ones you memorize to mention. I didn't think online debating would be much different, but the anonymity and ability to insult other people tends to be too enticing.

Nov 10, 2006, 05:49 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
The Bacon Guy Away Location: Scotland, Central Lowlands Posts: 3,192	In no particular order: Autolykos Isherwood Captain Chaos G. Adams Coffeesaint Osborn F Enready RickSP Pale Rider Tivodan Bishop Of course, all of the above pale in comparison to myself.

Nov 10, 2006, 08:18 pm	#11 (permalink) (top)
phoenix_fire Paladin Location: Narnia Posts: 4,277	These threads are pointless. I will vehemently deny that I say this because I have made no one's list. That had nothing to do with it! But seriously. Sooner or later, it's going to be men in thongs again. Place me like a seal over your heart, like a seal on your arm; for love is as strong as death, its jealousy unyielding as the grave. It burns like blazing fire, like a mighty flame. -- Song 8:6

Nov 10, 2006, 09:26 pm	#12 (permalink) (top)
The Bacon Guy Away Location: Scotland, Central Lowlands Posts: 3,192	One can only hope...

Nov 11, 2006, 07:30 am	#14 (permalink) (top)
Fonceai BANNED Location: New York Posts: 4,217	Men's thongs... 4 TEH W!NN@R!!

Nov 11, 2006, 08:32 am	#15 (permalink) (top)
bishop moderat-e/o-r Location: boston Posts: 11,184	most everyone's good.. it's probably easier to find the people who are the worst debaters.. sonart, scribbler, nono, zeebadee and brien are no mental slouches either... hope for america... http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Nov 11, 2006, 01:40 pm	#17 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,111	I nominate tinybear.

Nov 11, 2006, 02:29 pm	#19 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,111	Debate Topic: Who has The Fairest Legs Of All? OK, guys, DEBATE!!!

Nov 11, 2006, 02:48 pm	#20 (permalink) (top)
Fonceai BANNED Location: New York Posts: 4,217	@Chris the Chees On that I agree. On the sites I mod I've had to give up posting, because I find it interferes with objectivity in modding.