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**Jack** · Nov 11, 2006, 04:27 pm

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Who has The Fairest Legs Of All?

This contest is rigged. The guys aren't showing theirs.

**Matt W** · Nov 11, 2006, 05:01 pm

I'm there with Chris....I do debate occasionally, but I admit I conciously step back from several threads.

Still, nice to be in the original line-up!

Lullaby Chainer · Nov 11, 2006, 05:24 pm

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Debate Topic: Who has The Fairest Legs Of All?

OK, guys, DEBATE!!!

Far left.

tinybear · Nov 12, 2006, 06:31 am

Debate, guys. I said debate. Not just making a choice.

kubedawg · Nov 12, 2006, 07:09 am

But what if we all agree?

tinybear · Nov 12, 2006, 12:51 pm

I suppose we can debate on why we all agree.

Jagged · Nov 12, 2006, 01:02 pm

It makes me sad that i havn't gotten myself known yet (attnhoino), but then again i probably cant name 10 members nevermind great debaters from memory at this point. So far i would think Isherwood is up there; he is the only one that has made an impression on me so far.

oops legs.

CoffeeSaint · Nov 12, 2006, 01:42 pm

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These threads are pointless. I will vehemently deny that I say this because I have made no one's list. That had nothing to do with it!

But seriously. Sooner or later, it's going to be men in thongs again.

Aren't 90% of the threads on this forum basically pointless? Especially for those of us who have been here for a while: are there any surprises left for you when it comes to debating the other long-term members? I mean, do you have anything else to say to Isherwood about religion?

I just think it's nice to compliment the other debaters. And damnit, I'm a nice guy, and people like me! If you want to make it onto someone's list, make a list of your own; they might reciprocate.

BTW: Matt, Chris -- your lack of debate time is exactly why you got bumped from my list. I love watching both of you go to town on someone, and if I made this a top fifteen or top twenty, I'd put you right back on.

I think we all need to look at this as inclusive, rather than exclusive; like I said, it's just a way to compliment each other, because it's nice to be complimented, and I don't think we do it enough.

As for the legs from Tinybear: all horrifying, because of who they're attached to. My wife has better legs than any of them.

**Jack** · Nov 12, 2006, 02:38 pm

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So far i would think Isherwood is up there; he is the only one that has made an impression on me so far.

Give it some time...it will wear off eventually.

Nono · Nov 12, 2006, 04:26 pm

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Debate, guys. I said debate. Not just making a choice.

OK, but first let's get one thing straight: Is it true that Dubbya has cleared Jenna's wetlands for unlimited corporate plowing?

phoenix_fire · Nov 13, 2006, 03:29 am

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Aren't 90% of the threads on this forum basically pointless? Especially for those of us who have been here for a while: are there any surprises left for you when it comes to debating the other long-term members? I mean, do you have anything else to say to Isherwood about religion?

I just think it's nice to compliment the other debaters. And damnit, I'm a nice guy, and people like me! If you want to make it onto someone's list, make a list of your own; they might reciprocate.

BTW: Matt, Chris -- your lack of debate time is exactly why you got bumped from my list. I love watching both of you go to town on someone, and if I made this a top fifteen or top twenty, I'd put you right back on.

I think we all need to look at this as inclusive, rather than exclusive; like I said, it's just a way to compliment each other, because it's nice to be complimented, and I don't think we do it enough.

As for the legs from Tinybear: all horrifying, because of who they're attached to. My wife has better legs than any of them.

I don't really debate Ish that much. I normally just go after the true fanatics and take pot shots at otherwise respectable debates. I don't have the time or attention span to get really involved in most threads for any length of time. Usually in the interim between bouts of posting, I find my argument has already been buried.

Clarence · Nov 13, 2006, 03:53 am

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Debate Topic: Who has The Fairest Legs Of All?

OK, guys, DEBATE!!!

I'm guessing the turqoise is the smart one?

Laura has great legs. George can't be all bad.

lsbskins1 · Nov 14, 2006, 12:24 pm

My list:

1)Sonart
2)Autolykos
3)Fonceai (even though he can be circular, he raises good points and demands more than rhetoric)
4)Capt. Chaos
5)RickSP
6)Osborn F Enready (even though he loves his guns, he hasn't shot me yet)
7)bishop
8)MattW
9)CoffeeSaint
10)Milton Bradley

My list has some I mostly agree with, some I never agree with, and one or two I rarely engage. For me what matters is the ability to stucture your own points that can be supported with historical facts or studies or links. I have no respect for people who bait and name call. No respect for people who cut and paste other peoples thoughts and add a smarmy line at the end. None of these people do that. And they have all made me work and think. Kudos for that. I love it!

Autolykos · Nov 14, 2006, 12:28 pm

Wow. I'm surprised I even made your Top 10, let alone Number 2. Of course, we all know why you put Sonart as Number 1... *cough* fellow liberal *cough*...

- Rob

lsbskins1 · Nov 14, 2006, 12:46 pm

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Wow. I'm surprised I even made your Top 10, let alone Number 2. Of course, we all know why you put Sonart as Number 1... *cough* fellow liberal *cough*...

- Rob

Be nice. Sonart is number 1 because he strikes me a super rational and I have never seen him reduce anything to a personal attack. You are number 2 because you are capable of supporting something I completly disagree with without (for the most part) being irrational or nasty. I do respect the idea of divirsity of opinion. I just prefer that those who see things differently not insist they are the only ones gifted with rational thought. Love ya, really. You make my days interesting.

brien · Nov 14, 2006, 01:03 pm

Reminds me of a high school popularity contest.

dreamer · Nov 14, 2006, 01:10 pm

Bishop
Sonart
Autolykos
Osborn F.Enready
G.Adams
Poenix Fire
Coffee Saint
Rcne
Isherwood
Rick Sp
In no order they are all good ,But if i had to pick one it would be Bishop.

Fonceai · Nov 14, 2006, 02:07 pm

Single-minded dedication to an ideal is truly admirable.

But when someone does not have the ability to acknowledge and adapt to point counter to their own is when I feel a person fails as a debater.

In debate, the winner is not the one who builds the biggest and best wall and smashes the other person's wall to pieces.

The winner is the one who sees the strength of their opponent's wall and then finds the small cracks in it, works through it, and finds their way to the other side.

If the opponent can only think to SMASH SMASH SMASH <images of the Incredible Hulk> while their wall is being slowly eroded, they are only that much worse.

The next level down are the ones who present their wall in an argument where their wall has no place. They just plop it right down and hope for someone to start trying to erode or smash it, instead of finding a way to include their wall in the debate.

Then, the bottom level of opponent, is the one that doesn't even try to smash your wall or erode it. They insult you for building an ugly wall or direct comments at you in a way that has nothing to do with your wall.

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So here's the next spin on this topic... what are your own personal debating flaws? If you don't think you belong on your own best list... if you wouldn't vote for yourself, then what are your flaws?

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I know that mine is that I never present a wall. I find the flaws in other's walls and try to make them see those flaws so they can make their wall better. But people don't like being told their work is faulty, so instead they criticize me and my wall... even though they don't know what it is.

To correct my flaw, instead of trying to point out the flaws so that someone can refine and correct, I should just present my wall to them and then erode theirs and say "eff them if they can't make a good wall".

lsbskins1 · Nov 14, 2006, 02:09 pm

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Reminds me of a high school popularity contest.

Well, I know I only voted for the football players and cheerleaders. They are all so cute, and everyone knows that they will run the major corporations, take all the important positions in government and lead the scientific community to wonderous advances. Tight butts and winning smiles ARE the markers of ability, after all.

Fonceai · Nov 14, 2006, 02:13 pm

Should I post pictures of my butt and smile in the self-pics thread?

Nov 11, 2006, 05:01 pm	#22 (permalink) (top)
Matt W Moderator Location: Reading, UK. Posts: 7,191	I'm there with Chris....I do debate occasionally, but I admit I conciously step back from several threads. Still, nice to be in the original line-up! I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. -George Best, on being asked what he did with his footballing fortunes.

Nov 12, 2006, 07:09 am	#25 (permalink) (top)
kubedawg Magma Posts: 1,040	But what if we all agree? "You can only see as far as you think." Economic Left/Right: -1.75 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.90 Addiction is only the failure of one's will power.

Nov 14, 2006, 12:24 pm	#33 (permalink) (top)
lsbskins1 Redskins Rule Location: South-Western Virginia Posts: 2,557	My list: 1)Sonart 2)Autolykos 3)Fonceai (even though he can be circular, he raises good points and demands more than rhetoric) 4)Capt. Chaos 5)RickSP 6)Osborn F Enready (even though he loves his guns, he hasn't shot me yet) 7)bishop 8)MattW 9)CoffeeSaint 10)Milton Bradley My list has some I mostly agree with, some I never agree with, and one or two I rarely engage. For me what matters is the ability to stucture your own points that can be supported with historical facts or studies or links. I have no respect for people who bait and name call. No respect for people who cut and paste other peoples thoughts and add a smarmy line at the end. None of these people do that. And they have all made me work and think. Kudos for that. I love it! All I see when I look down, something jumpin' on the ground, Scratchin' dirt, cluckin' in the barnyard - Tell me, could that be you? John Kay

Nov 14, 2006, 12:28 pm	#34 (permalink) (top)
Autolykos Logical Phallussy Location: In your internets. Posts: 2,991	Wow. I'm surprised I even made your Top 10, let alone Number 2. Of course, we all know why you put Sonart as Number 1... cough fellow liberal cough... - Rob "I'd rather be free and alive!" -- Ron Paul Religion isn't the greatest threat to mankind -- authoritarianism is. The Anarcheion Zeitgeist

Nov 14, 2006, 01:03 pm	#36 (permalink) (top)
brien Iceberg Location: Connecticut Posts: 5,703	Reminds me of a high school popularity contest. Brien the Iceberg If you tell the truth you don't have to remember anything. M.T. Last edited by brien; Nov 14, 2006 at 02:19 pm.

Nov 12, 2006, 06:31 am	#24 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 7,327	Debate, guys. I said debate. Not just making a choice.

Nov 12, 2006, 12:51 pm	#26 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 7,327	I suppose we can debate on why we all agree.

Nov 12, 2006, 01:02 pm	#27 (permalink) (top)
Jagged 99 Red Balloons Location: Washington DC Posts: 274	It makes me sad that i havn't gotten myself known yet (attnhoino), but then again i probably cant name 10 members nevermind great debaters from memory at this point. So far i would think Isherwood is up there; he is the only one that has made an impression on me so far. oops legs.

Nov 14, 2006, 01:10 pm	#37 (permalink) (top)
dreamer Igneous Magma Posts: 683	Bishop Sonart Autolykos Osborn F.Enready G.Adams Poenix Fire Coffee Saint Rcne Isherwood Rick Sp In no order they are all good ,But if i had to pick one it would be Bishop.

Nov 14, 2006, 02:07 pm	#38 (permalink) (top)
Fonceai BANNED Location: New York Posts: 4,217	Single-minded dedication to an ideal is truly admirable. But when someone does not have the ability to acknowledge and adapt to point counter to their own is when I feel a person fails as a debater. In debate, the winner is not the one who builds the biggest and best wall and smashes the other person's wall to pieces. The winner is the one who sees the strength of their opponent's wall and then finds the small cracks in it, works through it, and finds their way to the other side. If the opponent can only think to SMASH SMASH SMASH <images of the Incredible Hulk> while their wall is being slowly eroded, they are only that much worse. The next level down are the ones who present their wall in an argument where their wall has no place. They just plop it right down and hope for someone to start trying to erode or smash it, instead of finding a way to include their wall in the debate. Then, the bottom level of opponent, is the one that doesn't even try to smash your wall or erode it. They insult you for building an ugly wall or direct comments at you in a way that has nothing to do with your wall. --- So here's the next spin on this topic... what are your own personal debating flaws? If you don't think you belong on your own best list... if you wouldn't vote for yourself, then what are your flaws? --- I know that mine is that I never present a wall. I find the flaws in other's walls and try to make them see those flaws so they can make their wall better. But people don't like being told their work is faulty, so instead they criticize me and my wall... even though they don't know what it is. To correct my flaw, instead of trying to point out the flaws so that someone can refine and correct, I should just present my wall to them and then erode theirs and say "eff them if they can't make a good wall".

Nov 14, 2006, 02:13 pm	#40 (permalink) (top)
Fonceai BANNED Location: New York Posts: 4,217	Should I post pictures of my butt and smile in the self-pics thread?