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BlackVelvet · Apr 29, 2004, 11:51 pm

And not this Christian. And I know a lot of others who used to be die hard republicans who aren't voting for him. Pat Robertson has lost his hold on many Christians, and never had a hold on many more of us.

Don't believe everthing you hear or read.

Apr 30, 2004, 01:35 am

goerge bush has been the worst scourge to america since the oil crisis, i believe. maybe since ww2. economics, foreign relations, international treaties, corruption, security, constitutional rights, george bush has given us crises in every field.

how did we elect this fuck in the first place? why didn't the gop screen their calls much much better?

bishop · Apr 30, 2004, 02:06 am

because mccain lost the primaries...

we were left with two jackoffs as the frontrunners. one one the popular vote, the other the electoral.

Suburbanite · Apr 30, 2004, 04:29 am

So now this discussion has turned away from Republican bashing into xenophobia and anti-Semitism? What are you guys becoming?
I am tempted to remove this topic, but I am compelled to hear everyone come out with it first.

Jet · Apr 30, 2004, 04:34 am

Well, it's not really anti-Semitism... I'd say it's just anti-religiousness. Judaism is a religion. Draw your own conclusions.

Suburbanite · Apr 30, 2004, 04:36 am

I did. It is anti-Semitism. That was my conclusion.

Just to add, I can't say I didn't just lose a lot of respect for some people.

Jet · Apr 30, 2004, 04:46 am

The fundies, the nationalists, and the poor, Cadre, are the support base of the extremists. Do you think Al Qaida could operate if the Pashtos didn't support them, at least passively? Do you think Sharon could oppress the Palestinians if he didn't have popular support?

Mia · Apr 30, 2004, 05:23 am

Quote:

Originally posted by Suburbanite,
I did. It is anti-Semitism. That was my conclusion.

Just to add, I can't say I didn't just lose a lot of respect for some people.

I don't see it, Sub. It's anti-Semetic to say Jews aren't any better than anyone else?

I don't know about other people, but that is what I meant. The human nature to do or not do certain things does not depend on religious affiliation.

All peoples have killed and conqured for all the same motives.

PatrickHenry · Apr 30, 2004, 01:02 pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Suburbanite,
It is anti-Semitism. That was my conclusion.

From: http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary

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Main Entry: an·ti-Sem·i·tism
Pronunciation: "an-ti-'se-m&-"ti-z&m, "an-"tI-
Function: noun
: hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group

Anything hostile or discriminatory in what I said? If so, you had better police all the anti-christian threads and anti-Islamic threads on volconvo.

I just meant to say that adherents of all religions get it wrong all the time. Killing your enemies is wrong. God says "Overcome evil with good." Romans 12:21

Impenitent · Apr 30, 2004, 01:46 pm

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Originally posted by PatrickHenry,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PatrickHenry,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Suburbanite,
It is anti-Semitism. That was my conclusion.

From: http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary

Quote:

Main Entry: an·ti-Sem·i·tism
Pronunciation: "an-ti-'se-m&-"ti-z&m, "an-"tI-
Function: noun
: hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group

Anything hostile or discriminatory in what I said? If so, you had better police all the anti-christian threads and anti-Islamic threads on volconvo.

I just meant to say that adherents of all religions get it wrong all the time. Killing your enemies is wrong. God says "Overcome evil with good." Romans 12:21[/b][/quote]

then go be a human shield

Suburbanite · Apr 30, 2004, 02:15 pm

I couldn't imagine saying something more hostile than that Jews are genocidal. Not you PH, what you said wasn't offensive, what Mia said was extremely anti-Semitic. I did enjoy how you just pick and choose some dictionary definition of the word that has to be some kind of fallacy, but don’t be so defensive. To say Jews are going to be genocidal murderers Mia, and in another thread be upset that someone said rag-head shows me where your prejudices lie.

Mia · Apr 30, 2004, 04:46 pm

I didn't say Jews were genocidal murderers and I don't think that. If someone used a derogative term toward Jews I would say the same thing.

Would you please quote whatever comment you think I menat this in?

I have nothing against Jews. I can be mad at Israel without being mad at Jews, can't I? I hate Arab terrorists more but obviously have no prejudice against Arab people.

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Apr 30, 2004, 06:53 pm

i think the state of israel keeps detrimental policy about the palestinian territories and the arab world and arab nationals and foreigners in general, but that is state matter, not a religious one. i support the seperation of chruch and state completely.

Mia · Apr 30, 2004, 11:01 pm

Sub, I sincerely apologize for any remarks taken wrongly and/or misstated by me. And that's to Sub the person, not the moderator.

I want to go back to Bush's resume....

Suburbanite · Apr 30, 2004, 11:23 pm

I wouldn't moderate it if you did think such things as long as it is in debate format anyways. Still this topic is baiting a flame.

May 7, 2004, 03:46 am

we've seen and heard enough about bush by what he has done as president to know better than to re-elect him. or even like him as a person.

Kyran · May 8, 2004, 03:55 pm

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Originally posted by Mia,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mia,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>I guess you haven't heard of Israel. They proved that people of all faiths or no faith are the same. They did it the minute they had the opportunity.[/b]

So we're all the "same" Mia? Dubya tee eff is up with that?

<!--QuoteBegin-Sandy,
He will be reelected by every Christian and Jew in America because they need a religious leader;[/quote]

CAN the BS and sell it someplace else lady. This country is secular not Christian. If you have a problem with the SECULAR administration then take it up with Atheism and the God that Isn't There. Christians don't tend to vote for WANNA-BEs.

I'll be back tomorrow with a religious thread. We're going to have a nice long talk about what IS Christian and what isn't. You kids behave yourselves until then.

Mia · May 8, 2004, 08:27 pm

We have enough arguments about religion. But I guess it will be interesting to hear Kyran the Fusionist pontificate on what a true Christian is so the rest of us peons can learn something.

Hey - none of you Bush fans have said anything in this resume is not true.

So looking at it, how can you say he's so great?

Mia · May 12, 2004, 05:46 am

Mr. V.,

can you provide documentation that these things are not true?

Suburbanite · May 12, 2004, 10:28 pm

I locked this topic for a reason, whoever unlocked it, if you can send me a message as to why I would appreciate it. Until then this is just flamebaiting and non-debate.

Apr 29, 2004, 11:51 pm	#21 (permalink) (top)
BlackVelvet Molten Ash Posts: 27	And not this Christian. And I know a lot of others who used to be die hard republicans who aren't voting for him. Pat Robertson has lost his hold on many Christians, and never had a hold on many more of us. Don't believe everthing you hear or read. <span style='color:blue'>Words that do not match deeds are unimportant. - Ernesto Che Guevara Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege. -unknown </span>

Apr 30, 2004, 02:06 am	#23 (permalink) (top)
bishop moderat-e/o-r Location: boston Posts: 11,184	because mccain lost the primaries... we were left with two jackoffs as the frontrunners. one one the popular vote, the other the electoral. hope for america... http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Apr 30, 2004, 04:34 am	#25 (permalink) (top)
Jet Molten Ash Location: NoCal Posts: 106	Well, it's not really anti-Semitism... I'd say it's just anti-religiousness. Judaism is a religion. Draw your own conclusions. The world exists. Everything else is just a corollary. Just an irregular Joe... Visit Open Source Politics or my site

Apr 30, 2004, 04:46 am	#27 (permalink) (top)
Jet Molten Ash Location: NoCal Posts: 106	The fundies, the nationalists, and the poor, Cadre, are the support base of the extremists. Do you think Al Qaida could operate if the Pashtos didn't support them, at least passively? Do you think Sharon could oppress the Palestinians if he didn't have popular support? The world exists. Everything else is just a corollary. Just an irregular Joe... Visit Open Source Politics or my site

Apr 30, 2004, 04:46 pm	#32 (permalink) (top)
Mia Retired Posts: 7,312	I didn't say Jews were genocidal murderers and I don't think that. If someone used a derogative term toward Jews I would say the same thing. Would you please quote whatever comment you think I menat this in? I have nothing against Jews. I can be mad at Israel without being mad at Jews, can't I? I hate Arab terrorists more but obviously have no prejudice against Arab people. ????????????????????????????????? "...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Apr 30, 2004, 01:35 am	#22 (permalink) (top)
Bob_Dobbs Guest Posts: n/a	goerge bush has been the worst scourge to america since the oil crisis, i believe. maybe since ww2. economics, foreign relations, international treaties, corruption, security, constitutional rights, george bush has given us crises in every field. how did we elect this fuck in the first place? why didn't the gop screen their calls much much better?

Apr 30, 2004, 04:29 am	#24 (permalink) (top)
Suburbanite BANNED Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,203	So now this discussion has turned away from Republican bashing into xenophobia and anti-Semitism? What are you guys becoming? I am tempted to remove this topic, but I am compelled to hear everyone come out with it first.

Apr 30, 2004, 04:36 am	#26 (permalink) (top)
Suburbanite BANNED Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,203	I did. It is anti-Semitism. That was my conclusion. Just to add, I can't say I didn't just lose a lot of respect for some people.

Apr 30, 2004, 02:15 pm	#31 (permalink) (top)
Suburbanite BANNED Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,203	I couldn't imagine saying something more hostile than that Jews are genocidal. Not you PH, what you said wasn't offensive, what Mia said was extremely anti-Semitic. I did enjoy how you just pick and choose some dictionary definition of the word that has to be some kind of fallacy, but don’t be so defensive. To say Jews are going to be genocidal murderers Mia, and in another thread be upset that someone said rag-head shows me where your prejudices lie.

Apr 30, 2004, 06:53 pm	#33 (permalink) (top)
Bob_Dobbs Guest Posts: n/a	i think the state of israel keeps detrimental policy about the palestinian territories and the arab world and arab nationals and foreigners in general, but that is state matter, not a religious one. i support the seperation of chruch and state completely.

Apr 30, 2004, 11:01 pm	#34 (permalink) (top)
Mia Retired Posts: 7,312	Sub, I sincerely apologize for any remarks taken wrongly and/or misstated by me. And that's to Sub the person, not the moderator. I want to go back to Bush's resume.... "...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Apr 30, 2004, 11:23 pm	#35 (permalink) (top)
Suburbanite BANNED Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,203	I wouldn't moderate it if you did think such things as long as it is in debate format anyways. Still this topic is baiting a flame.

May 7, 2004, 03:46 am	#36 (permalink) (top)
Bob_Dobbs Guest Posts: n/a	we've seen and heard enough about bush by what he has done as president to know better than to re-elect him. or even like him as a person.

May 8, 2004, 08:27 pm	#38 (permalink) (top)
Mia Retired Posts: 7,312	We have enough arguments about religion. But I guess it will be interesting to hear Kyran the Fusionist pontificate on what a true Christian is so the rest of us peons can learn something. Hey - none of you Bush fans have said anything in this resume is not true. So looking at it, how can you say he's so great? "...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali

May 12, 2004, 05:46 am	#39 (permalink) (top)
Mia Retired Posts: 7,312	Mr. V., can you provide documentation that these things are not true? "...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali

May 12, 2004, 10:28 pm	#40 (permalink) (top)
Suburbanite BANNED Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,203	I locked this topic for a reason, whoever unlocked it, if you can send me a message as to why I would appreciate it. Until then this is just flamebaiting and non-debate.