Budweiser Cover-Up in Barstow CA

[PatrickHenry]

Originally posted by commonsense, I am of middle-eastern decent.

Are you a Jew or a Phalangist? Obviously not an Arab....

[Mia]

That was my next question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He could still be Arab but it doesn't sound like he's Muslim.

commonsense,

It wasn't a compliment. The poster was commenting on the nonsense you posted. Weasel words, bad logic, etc.

Alot of racists try to gussy up their bilge with high-falutin' lawyerly talk.

comm(unist)(n)onsense: PEACEABLY BOYCOTT ALL MOHAMMEDANS NOW!!!!!

:rolleyes:

[commonsense]

Mia, again, you are saying "we"

I'm separating what our leaders do for their own ends, and what the common people will inevitably undertake doing to save themselves.

I was born on American soil and there is no greater blessing. Well maybe to be Swiss...They are in key ways, more Libertarian than the best of us are, of course differences also.

My parents were immigrants who risked their lives to come here many times over.
I am part Arab, racially, but not a Mohammedan. This is only relevant because so many of you who care to know are still laboring under a misconception of what it means to be racist.

A staunch believer, rather an honest observer, of the transcendental promise that our nation's founding principles hold for the future of all mankind.

[commonsense]

Quote: lostkiwi

You are grouping all Arabs together in order to lay blame for 911 on all of them, rather than the individuals who carried out this heinous act. You are asking for all Arabs, many of whom love America and are productive citizens here, to pay the price for the crimes of a malicious few.

Perhaps, but not indefinitely. I was merely giving the answer to the question "How can future escalating incidents of terrorism be averted"

Has everyone forgotten the most basic truths about human behavior?
Were you all absent from school that day when the teacher said,
"NOBODY gets to leave this clasroom until I find out who put the thumbtack on my chair..."
He always gets ratted-out and life goes on.

[PatrickHenry]

I wish the media would take up the dozens of inconsistencies in the 9/11 "official" story. I don't even think Arabs did it.

[commonsense]

Whoever was behind those guys doing it, they definitely were suiciders, so that doesn't help the fanatical mohammedan's image.

The point I'm apparently failing so miserably in making is that none of that matters once the next 9/11 comes (or, knowing how politically-correctly brainwashed we are, after the next TEN MORE 9/11's come...)
THEN, nevertheless at some point, the people will smash every window of every shish-kebab joint and round them up, just like the government did to the japs in WWII.
I still think it safer, more logical, more effective and more humanitarian to start it now by demanding a moratorium on all immigration and a boycott of businesses than it is to go on wild goose chases in Iraq...not mention there's no money in it for Bush's crew and no bloodshed in it for anyone

[Mia]

What is a Mohammedan?

[commonsense]

a follower of Mohammed

[PatrickHenry]

Originally posted by commonsense, Whoever was behind those guys doing it, they definitely were suiciders, so that doesn't help the fanatical mohammedan's image. The point I'm apparently failing so miserably in making is that none of that matters once the next 9/11 comes (or, knowing how politically-correctly brainwashed we are, after the next TEN MORE 9/11's come...) THEN, nevertheless at some point, the people will smash every window of every shish-kebab joint and round them up, just like the government did to the japs in WWII. I still think it safer, more logical, more effective and more humanitarian to start it now by demanding a moratorium on all immigration and a boycott of businesses than it is to go on wild goose chases in Iraq...not mention there's no money in it for Bush's crew and no bloodshed in it for anyone

Look, if a person or family had nothing to do with terrorism, can't you see that targeting their income is wrong? Why would you want to hurt millions of innocent people? What you are inciting is a Federal crime under the Proxmire Act.

As for the next terror attack, it's likely to be the same jerks in Washington DC that pulled the first one. Not Arabs. The official story is sewage. Stop believing the liars in the media. Look into the inconsistencies. Think for yourself. Where was NORAD?

[Mia]

Originally posted by commonsense, a follower of Mohammed

So it is not Arabs you are against, it's Muslims.

[commonsense]

Look, there's not enough consensus to effect a boycott, anyway, so its hypothetical, but if it were done, it would really "shake-up" their community to decrease the good mohammedans tolerance of the others before it actually permanently harmed the good ones, but more importantly, it would disrupt the freedom the terrorists have to scheme (even the good ones hear things and turn a deaf ear)

Besides, hasn't anyone noticed that the flag of every mohammedan country has a big sword on it with the words "praise allah or else?"

[commonsense]

PH,
I suspect there are all kinds of unimaginable strings being pulled behind all sorts of things, quite probably 9/11 included.

I keep saying that the real cause of any big increase in terror attacks to come WILL BE PERCEIVED to be arab in this country, even if Bush or whoever is feeding that perception and maybe after nine or ten more attacks on the scale of 9/11, THEN FINALLY, MOB RULE even among our politically-correct brainwashed population will erupt against mohammedan americans.
To put the squeeze on them peacably a little bit now, ahead of time, will do an end-run around the eventuality of increased attacks, even if the FBI CIA is behind it and not purely jihadists.
I keep telling you guys I don't hate them, matter of fact, I've got the hankerin' to go visit my local guy and get some hummus and chwarma right now. He's a nice guy, I eat his food, he's not fanatical, but he knows something.

[PatrickHenry]

And you would boycott his business if there were enough support? And this is a means of self-preservation?

[commonsense]

Yeah, for him! The day after 9/11 I predicted nothing would change in the hearts and minds of americans. It may take ten more 9/11 's, but when it does come, every raghead will be run out on a rail.
We have a right to preserve our way of life, we (as a people philosophically united) (not our official policy) but we won't wakeup to it till a dirty bomb is detonated and we all puke for weeks, our hair falls out in clumps and our nuts shrivel up and blow away.
All the propaganda about the WWII internment of the japs isn't intended to make average americans suspicious about the power abuses of our government, but instead is designed to tug at our heartstrings and well-cultivated perverse sensibility of "fairness" over self preservation.
Sometimes a little unfairness in a time of guerilla war is warranted because unlike the case in WWII, these attacks could have been prevented from inside our shores.
Look, I hate the idea of americans snooping on one another for any reason (DHS, DEA, child protective services, etc) but a free-market, public response to being attacked on our own shores, temporarily as a shake-up to their freedom to do what they want while laughing in our faces would pay dividends in effectiveness WITHOUT hiring bureaucrats, spies, and armed agencies that we'll never get rid of once the threat disappears or changes.
If I (or anyone from any country) were living, going to school, conducting business, or vacationing in ANY OTHER country, and a bomb went off, wouldn't you be the first in line at the embassay to say "Hey, sorry about your domestic situation, I had nothing to with it, I empathize, NOW LET ME GET THE FUCK OUT UNTIL YOU STRAIGHTEN IT OUT, THEN WE'LL TALK"
It's only here where its taboo to consider common sense approaches to a very real threat because of the goddam poem on that lovely symbol standing over New York harbor. Our very real benevolence to the world doesn't have to be to a fault... our own destruction.

[PatrickHenry]

You would have made a good little Nazi. Ever see the movie "The Pianist"? You strike me as being in the same class as the Jewish policeman in the Warsaw ghetto. What you allege you are saying, "Let the persecution begin now, it will avoid a worse persecution later", is in effect to say simply "Let the persecution begin now".

I find your position unconscionable, especially in light of my own opinions as to the instigation and perpetration of September 11th. Not the Muslim Arabs, the New World Order.

May I also say that I find your rhetoric in this thread perilously close to the incitement clause in the Proxmire Act, aka, US Code > TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 50A > Sec. 1091.- Genocide.
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/1091.html
Which reads in part:

Basic Offense. - Whoever, whether in time of peace or in time of war, in a circumstance described in subsection (d) and with the specific intent to destroy, in whole or in substantial part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group as such - (4)subjects the group to conditions of life that are intended to cause the physical destruction of the group in whole or in part; © Incitement Offense. - Whoever in a circumstance described in subsection (d) directly and publicly incites another to violate subsection (a) shall be fined not more than $500,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

My sincere advice to you is to let this matter drop and avoid bringing up this matter at all in public. To continue your present course is reckless to your own freedom and well being.

I am reporting these posts to the moderators...

[Suburbanite]

I warned you commonsense about saying raghead.

[VXerick]

Originally posted by Mia, The fanatics KILL OTHER MUSLIMS. It has nothing to do with being American or Christian or anything else. Look how many bombings occur in Muslim countries. Far more than in the US. It has nothing to do with Islam and the vast majority of Arabs, in and out of the United States, have nothing to do with it either. Instead of directing yoru fear and hatred to Arab-Americans who hate these fanatics as much as you do, ask your government why we insist on continuing to emply terrorists to do our dirty work for them, putting all of us at risk in the process?

The fanatics kill other Muslims because they are not practicing the right brand of Islam. They use them to set an example and to put fear in the more moderate Muslims. That is the reason they bomb in Muslim countries. They are not selective in killing and maiming Muslim women and children, if it makes the remainder of them cower with fear and do what the terrorists say.

That means it has everything to do with Islam, their perverted type of Islam and that is what they are trying to establish as the world's religion.

What terrorists are employed to do our dirty work?

[Mia]

You're almost right. It is ther PERVERTED type of Islam. Perverted being the key word. Your own statement allows for the fact that it is NOT Islam that condones or encourages or even allows this.

Every religion has a set of people that pervert it to use for their own means, and yet you insist that this is not the case with Islam, that it someohow overall is culpable, yet you have nothing to back it up. Zero, zilch, nada.

To your other question, we created al-quida in our funding of the same fanatics you are speaking about against the Soviet Union. Could we have forseen the outcome?

Duh. Who thought up the idea that giving these crazy fnatics who love to kill all the money and weapons they could want?

Then they moved all around to do what they want with them.

We also funded and armed the Muslim Brotherhood, kind of the father group to al-quida and such, to overthrow the goverment in syria and others in the 70's.

Syria forced them into a city and bombed the shit out of them. Why people say they'd ever aid al-quida is a mystery to me.

And almost all muslim nations have expelled the muslim brotherhood for these reasons - bombing schools and hospitals, etc.

We let them in. They are all over the US. The only conceivable reason to allow known terrorists into the country is to use them to commit terrorism ourselves.