Trade center demolition

[Chaossaber314]

My fault in that regard, though I'm not sure what relevance it has as in the picture you can clearly see it not falling straight down and on a angle that would quickly be obscured by the debris.

[Plasma Snake[D]]

I really dont care. I dont feel like arguing international conspiracies. I really do fear for my safety. Believe what you want.

[dilligras]

Just ran across this excellent explanation of the engineering of the towers that caused the unusual nature of the collapse

Don't bother viewing it if you've already made up your mind that "Bush did it", because I wouldn't want you to waste your time........aren't I considerate?

[Clarence]

Thanks Dilli.

How hot would the fire have to be to take the temper out of the floor trusses? btw they were protected however shoddy. You just provided more of the same here.

Nobody said Bush did it. Members of our gov't facilitated the take or at least turned their heads. What more, the collapse of the buildings are..suspect. get it right.

[PatrickHenry]

Building 7?

And Bush is certainly complicit in the cover-up. Pure evil.

[Clarence]

Firefighters Claim Giuliani Ignored Needs After 9/11

BBC Reported WTC-7 Collapsed Before It Fell

just linking up some related threads

[Mozart1220]

Quote by: Wonderblob There’s somthin happinin here. The other day I watched one of the conspiracy theory videos about 911. 9/11 Controlled Demolitions of September 11, 2001 - Google Video In the past I was skeptical about the possibility of a conspiracy. After watching the video several times and looking at a lot of other evidence I have concluded that it is a fact. The twin towers almost had to be brought down with thermite and explosives placed in strategic locations. When you watch building seven coming down it becomes undeniable. I started thinking about the way events have unfolded in the last fifty years and it all starts to make sense. People we have had a coup. Our country has been taken away from us. I pray that I have just become paranoid but my senses tell me otherwise. A secret world order organization is calling the shots now. They have for the most part taken over the United States Government and many other governments. World domination and financial enslavement is their goal. They are dangerously close to having their way. Think about it. It all started when we let them put ‘One nation under God” in our pledge of allegiance and “In God we trust” on our money. That is when the corporate brainwashing machine started to stuff our brains with fluff and nonsense through television and. corporate controlled media. The God thing gives them this huge base of people who were already easily brainwashed because they actually believe the Bible is really the word of God so their sense of reason is completely discombobulated. Our government began to hide the fact that our country was founded on principles of freedom from religion and Deistic principles that God can only be realized through our God given sense of reason as we behold the Universe. The whole Joseph McCarthy thing was just an experiment to see if they could scare us into submission The Kennedy’s would not play the game their way so they were bumped off. Jimmy Carter didn’t want to play their game so they just humiliated him out of the picture. The Iran Contra scandal proved they have no morals. They have supported every fascist dictator and government that would let them exploit their resources and people. And tried to destroy any who would not. Ronald Reagan passed laws that made it OK for our Government to deceive us through perception management techniques. He then passed laws that made it OK for the media to give us a dishonest version of any newsworthy event without any one being allowed to offer another version of the facts. Bill Clinton sold his soul to them. I also believe Al Gore and John Kerry have also. Mr. Gore would have challenged the outcome of his presidential election otherwise. He actually blocked a challenge to it. John Kerry being a devout member of Skull and Bones puts him in the thick of things. The anthrax scare was a contrived effort to scare us further into submission. And then came 911. I can tell from the smirk on George Bush’s face in that school building he knew it was coming. The Jon Bonet Ramsey media circus and all the tabloid fluff are designed and timed specifically to take peoples minds off of the horrible blunders and catastrophic consequences of their disastrous wars. This last guy that confessed to her murder was a plant to cover up Israel’s blunders in Lebanon. I knew this from the very first day I heard about him. The evidence goes on and on and on. The big question is who are they? Skull and Bones? The Carlyle Group? The Jews? The Nazi’s? one thing you can bet on. Exxon is in on it. Halliburton is in on it Westinghouse is in on it. General Electric, the American Medical Association, Diebold, the CIA The list goes on and on of potential conspirators. Please call me a paranoid schizophrenic. I hope that is all it is. People we had better wake up and take our country back. The coming elections just may just be our last chance.

I haven't read any of the replies yet, but I'll say this...

Iraq is NO THREAT to the United States. So why attack?

Iraq IS a threat to Saudi Arabia, and Saudi Arabia ownes about 20% of our national debt. They can't attack Iraq, so WE do it for them because we OWE them..

BTW, where is OBL from?

Where were 17 of the 19 ALLEGED hijackers from?

SAUDI ARABIA.

Why haven't we attacked there?

[Mozart1220]

Quote by: dilligras Just ran across this excellent explanation of the engineering of the towers that caused the unusual nature of the collapse Don't bother viewing it if you've already made up your mind that "Bush did it", because I wouldn't want you to waste your time........aren't I considerate?

But it doesn't explain how they buildings fell STRAIGHT DOWN after one side was severely damaged. The top should have "sheered" in that direction. One buildding started to veer sideways, then magically righted it's self.

Then there is Building 7, which was not hit by a plane. Why did it fall?

[Wonderblob]

This horse is not dead.
We have had a coup people. The Bush family helped empower the corporate fascist pull this off. Here is all the proof you need. If you are still thinking of how to vote for president you better wake up. If you are committed to vote republican you are a fool.

Highly-Credible People Question 9/11
George Washington's Blog: We Have DAYS To Stop the $700 Billion Stick-Up (and Fascist Power Grab)

[Night]

Quote by: Wonderblob ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I own a company that sells and services standby generators. I also know quite a bit about diesel. Its number one asset is that it is not explosive. It has to be under conditions not achievable in a building to explode even then the combustion is very slow. I can also promise you that the fuel was not stored any where near the major structural components of the building. Building 7 was brought down by controlled demolition. It is indisputable.

Quite the contrary, it is very disputable. First of all, what explosives were used? Why the hell would they take such an extraordinary risk with explosives when the residue from the bombs would be detectable in the disaster site? Do you have ANY proof, such as bomb tests to see the chemical residue that would have been left behind?

What was their motive? I see absolutely none.

There are so many holes with your theory, I can't even begin to compare it to cheddar cheese with holes.

[Wonderblob]

Quote by: Night Quite the contrary, it is very disputable. First of all, what explosives were used? Why the hell would they take such an extraordinary risk with explosives when the residue from the bombs would be detectable in the disaster site? Do you have ANY proof, such as bomb tests to see the chemical residue that would have been left behind? What was their motive? I see absolutely none. There are so many holes with your theory, I can't even begin to compare it to cheddar cheese with holes.

Every one of your questions has been answered in this thread. Please I understand this is an ugly realization but come on if you can't see their motive after the billions of dollars in profits they have made then maybe you need to find another form of entertainment.

[Night]

Quote by: Wonderblob Every one of your questions has been answered in this thread. Please I understand this is an ugly realization but come on if you can't see their motive after the billions of dollars in profits they have made then maybe you need to find another form of entertainment.

Umm...who is "they"?

You obviously don't understand that the US went into a recession following 9/11, stock markets closed for 2 weeks if I remember correctly, no one made a lot of money off of 9/11.

[dilligras]

Quote by: Mozart1220 But it doesn't explain how they buildings fell STRAIGHT DOWN after one side was severely damaged. The top should have "sheered" in that direction. One buildding started to veer sideways, then magically righted it's self. Then there is Building 7, which was not hit by a plane. Why did it fall?

Not true. The Twin Towers fell the way they did because of the way they were built, period. FYI, they were not built like any other skyscrapers before them. Look into it and quit botherin' me, son.

Ah say listen ta me when ah'm a talkin' to ya, boy! [/Foghorn Leghorn]

And what is your point of questioning why they came straight down? Just because it was similar in appearance to an intentional demolition?

So what? Is there now to be only one possible explanation for any eventuality, just because that one explanation happens to support a conclusion that lends credence to the left's irrational fears?

Poppycock, I say!

Logic alone refutes the idea that the suspected govt. conspirators would try to bring the towers down in a controlled fashion, especially if they were trying to pin the heinous act on innocent practitioners of the so-called "religion of peace."

Just stop the frothing at the mouth long enough and think: would the terrorist scum try to mitigate damage by bringing the towers straight down, or would they do like they did in '93 and try to topple them onto other buildings?

Duhhh.

If the dreaded Bushbot Brigade had wanted to emulate what the terrorists had already tried once, why the hell would they go to the trouble to control the damage? (The purpose of bringing buildings straight down during demolition, remember?) Therefore, the conclusion you seek makes absolutely no sense at all, and must henceforth be treated with the scorn it so richly deserves.

Keep up the illogical blathering and I fear you shall inevitably garner some of that scorn for yourself, pilgrim--and rightly so, n'est-ce pas?

And yes, I'm well aware that these comments fall on deaf ears; I just like to poke at the virtual ribs of mostly inconsequential and decidedly hebetudinous bloviation... a mahvelous way to toll the end of another summer, wouldn't you agree?

Poke, poke.


As you were.


I'm dilligras and I approved this message.

[Wonderblob]

Quote by: Night Umm...who is "they"? You obviously don't understand that the US went into a recession following 9/11, stock markets closed for 2 weeks if I remember correctly, no one made a lot of money off of 9/11.

You have got to be kidding me. How much did Halliburton make? How much did Westinghouse make? How much did General Electric make?
How much did the Carlyle Group make? How much did Blackwater Make? How much did Exxon Mobile Make? How much did Wackenhut Make? CorpWatch : This Alien Life: Privatized Prisons for Immigrants. The answer is everything the American people were worth. They have bankrupted us.
Our republican administration couldn’t give a rat’s ass if we went into recession as long as they and their corporate bosses get to rape the American people and steal them for all they were worth. That is exactly what they did.

[dilligras]

Quote by: Wonderblob You have got to be kidding me. How much did Halliburton make? How much did Westinghouse make? How much did General Electric make? How much did the Carlyle Group make? How much did Blackwater Make? How much did Exxon Mobile Make? How much did Wackenhut Make? CorpWatch : This Alien Life: Privatized Prisons for Immigrants. The answer is everything the American people were worth. They have bankrupted us. Our republican administration couldn’t give a rat’s ass if we went into recession as long as they and their corporate bosses get to rape the American people and steal them for all they were worth. That is exactly what they did.

Translation:

"How much did Bush, Cheney, and Rove make by murdering everyone in the Twin Towers?"

How about all those Dems in Congress who voted to allow Bush, et al to use force in Iraq? How exactly are they exonerated, again?

Oh yes, they were just innocent dupes, living, working, and playing (cocktail parties, yachting, golf, and tennis clubs, etc, etc) in exactly the same rarified circles as the Bushies, and yet they were totally ignorant of the deception aimed at "raping the American people?"

CHA-CHING!

That's the sound of you ringing up a "no sale" on your itsy bitsy bright pink Malibu Barbie Bikini Boutique cash register, pilgrim, 'cause this Texan knows cow flop when he smells it. You must have stepped in something back there...

Lemmeseenow... how does this work? If you want to discredit someone, you find someone they know who made money in their business after something bad happened. But make sure you never allude to the fact that businesses exist to make money and that hundreds of thousands of businesses who had no relations whatsoever with the person or persons being attacked also made money during the same period.

So, that means that Abraham Lincoln was in cahoots with the Russians, conspiring to flood the market with wheat right after the Crimean war so that he and his buddies could get rich off the slave labor of the cotton farmers in the South. Can you say "carpetbagger?"

Why yes, I see that method of determining culpability works very well indeed.

Has Volconvo become for demogoguery what prison is to criminal enterprise? A finishing school for liars, cheats and thieves? The primary difference being, of course, that the demogogue is able to blame you for his crime, while the convict has to do the time himself.

That's why Congress is laying low right now, ducking for cover while Bush takes credit for the mortgage lender bailout. Talk about raping the American people. Bush is a lefty twit, just like HillBillary Clinton, Barak "I'm not a muslim" Obama, and John "let's make all the Mexican citizens into American welfare recipients" McCain.

Anyone who claims differently just hasn't been paying attention.

But I digress.



As you were.

[Wonderblob]

Quote by: dilligras Translation: "How much did Bush, Cheney, and Rove make by murdering everyone in the Twin Towers?" How about all those Dems in Congress who voted to allow Bush, et al to use force in Iraq? How exactly are they exonerated, again? Oh yes, they were just innocent dupes, living, working, and playing (cocktail parties, yachting, golf, and tennis clubs, etc, etc) in exactly the same rarified circles as the Bushies, and yet they were totally ignorant of the deception aimed at "raping the American people?" CHA-CHING! That's the sound of you ringing up a "no sale" on your itsy bitsy bright pink Malibu Barbie Bikini Boutique cash register, pilgrim, 'cause this Texan knows cow flop when he smells it. You must have stepped in something back there... Lemmeseenow... how does this work? If you want to discredit someone, you find someone they know who made money in their business after something bad happened. But make sure you never allude to the fact that businesses exist to make money and that hundreds of thousands of businesses who had no relations whatsoever with the person or persons being attacked also made money during the same period. So, that means that Abraham Lincoln was in cahoots with the Russians, conspiring to flood the market with wheat right after the Crimean war so that he and his buddies could get rich off the slave labor of the cotton farmers in the South. Can you say "carpetbagger?" Why yes, I see that method of determining culpability works very well indeed. Has Volconvo become for demogoguery what prison is to criminal enterprise? A finishing school for liars, cheats and thieves? The primary difference being, of course, that the demogogue is able to blame you for his crime, while the convict has to do the time himself. That's why Congress is laying low right now, ducking for cover while Bush takes credit for the mortgage lender bailout. Talk about raping the American people. Bush is a lefty twit, just like HillBillary Clinton, Barak "I'm not a muslim" Obama, and John "let's make all the Mexican citizens into American welfare recipients" McCain. Anyone who claims differently just hasn't been paying attention. But I digress. As you were.

Hey Dilly
I don't know what it is you are smokin, but what ever it is will you send me some? It must really be some good stuff.

[Night]

Quote by: Wonderblob You have got to be kidding me. How much did Halliburton make? How much did Westinghouse make? How much did General Electric make? How much did the Carlyle Group make? How much did Blackwater Make? How much did Exxon Mobile Make? How much did Wackenhut Make? CorpWatch : This Alien Life: Privatized Prisons for Immigrants. The answer is everything the American people were worth.

Interesting. If you look at every single company's earnings report for 2001-2002 on that (made up) list of yours, you would notice that they all lost profits following 9/11. I research data, please try and do the same before you pass it off as fact ok?

And really...how the hell did you think some evil corporate conspiracy would take control of the country after a few airplanes hit the WTC and Pentagon? It makes no logical sense. But then again, as we all know, 9/11 Conspiracy theorists don't need logic because they know the truth!!!

Quote by: Wonderblob They have bankrupted us.

I still see absolutely no evidence to prove you right, asides from that junk you just made up.

Quote by: Wonderblob Our republican administration couldn’t give a rat’s ass if we went into recession as long as they and their corporate bosses get to rape the American people and steal them for all they were worth. That is exactly what they did.

No, it is not. In a recession it is the corporations which also suffer. So please, if you're going to make stuff up, make it believable.

[dilligras]

Quote by: Wonderblob Hey Dilly I don't know what it is you are smokin, but what ever it is will you send me some? It must really be some good stuff.

Translation:

"Uh, well, I.... uh, m'not sure what... er, ah... could you repeat the question?"



I'm dilligras and I approved this message.

[rez]

Here is a simple question that I am sure nobody has asked.


Why did the towers need to be demolished?

[dilligras]

Quote by: rez Here is a simple question that I am sure nobody has asked. Why did the towers need to be demolished?

Ignoring for the moment the question of how it is exactly that you know what questions have or have not been asked by the rest of humanity, you might refer to Occam's Razor for your answer... generally speaking, people have a tendency not to ask a question whose answer appears obvious to even the most casual of informed observers, n'est-ce pas?

Of course, there's always the possibility that I misunderstand your question, since it lacks clarity and fails to offer any suggestion of a point. If you had written a song, I would have to paraphrase Billy Wilder and say that you had Van Gogh's ear for music.


I cannot fairly claim disappointment, however, since expectations of substance were naturally somewhat low, mon ami




As you were.