Trade center demolition

[Wonderblob]

Quote by: Chris And who went in and placed these explosives? And at what time of day or night? Do you have any idea how much TNT it would take to bring those buildings down? And on top of that how they would plant it under people's noses who work there?

Thats why I posted a link to a video that answers all these questions.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: Chris No, classic CD to me is actual flashes like this Raleigh, NC Building Implosion - Google Video And who went in and placed these explosives? And at what time of day or night? Do you have any idea how much TNT it would take to bring those buildings down? And on top of that how they would plant it under people's noses who work there?

Ever been in an office building at night? Ever see "workmen" in coveralls carrying packages? Ever have security deny access to a floor? Ever have elevators refuse to open on specific floors?

The amount of RDX would have been probably about a ton each. How much stuff can you carry on a hand truck? 200 lbs? = ten trips to the van. Who was it? IMO, could have been the dancing Israelis: Five Israelis were seen filming as jet liners ploughed into the Twin Towers on September 11, 2001 ... - [Sunday Herald]
I believe there is evidence of explosives in their van. Maybe they were contract agents for the job. Those behind the demolition and the entire operation? IMO, Secret Service, America's own SS.

As to the flashes, often the glass is removed from a professional demolition. Didn't happen at the WTC, heh. But witnesses describe multiple explosions prior to the collapse. And from the videos, large dust puffs are seen twenty floors BELOW the advancing collapse. Not to mention the pulverization of the concrete into 100 micron dust... High explosives + thermate.

[Clarence]

Quote by: PatrickHenry As to the flashes, often the glass is removed from a professional demolition. Didn't happen at the WTC, heh. But witnesses describe multiple explosions prior to the collapse. And from the videos, large dust puffs are seen twenty floors BELOW the advancing collapse. Not to mention the pulverization of the concrete into 100 micron dust... High explosives + thermate.

Don't forget that NYFD is on gag order. All the 911 tapes edited to 'exclude cries for pain and suffering' yet that's all they really contain post edit. Evidence hauled away and destroyed. Some of the biggest skeptics are families of the victims. Fire and impact brought the towers down? right.

Don't be scared to look closer

[Chris]

Quote by: Wonderblob . The fires were 1000 degrees to cold to cause catastrophic failure of the steel. It was also starved for oxygen as was evidenced by all the black smoke. It would have boiled water but it would not have melted steel. The fire proofing is there to prevent the steel from absorbing and transferring the heat between floors not to keep it from melting. The fires are no explanation for the failure of the vertical structure below. It had to be a very precise controlled demolition. Kerosene burns very slowly and at relatively cool temperatures at atmospheric pressure.

wait a minute, so black smoke equals oxygen starved fire? huh? Are you sure?

[RVonse]

The conspiracy is only a symptom of an even bigger problem IMO. No one has confidence in truth coming from our highest leaders anymore. And the American public no longer has any confidence in what the rest of our government tells us anymore. Because if our government could be counted on to be truthful, then no one would give this 911 stuff a second thought.

So whether or not you personally believe what the official story is, there is still a major issue going on here between the government and the governed.

[Chris]

Quote by: PatrickHenry Not to mention the pulverization of the concrete into 100 micron dust... High explosives + thermate.

huh? So just because concrete being reduced to dust = explosives?

Do you have any idea how much potential energy concrete has at a height of 1,400 feet?

[PatrickHenry]

Not enough to turn it into pyroclastic clouds before it has dropped forty feet.

[Chris]

ok there is more to a building than just concrete. most of the walls were made of sheet rock.

You believe what you want to believe though no sweat off me.

[BigWill_sd]

For all you paranoid people out there, here is something for you. He makes a good point about 911.
This is taken from one of my favorite authors: MADDOX
There is no 9/11 conspiracy you morons.

[PatrickHenry]

Maddox is such a punk...

[Wonderblob]

Quote by: Chris wait a minute, so black smoke equals oxygen starved fire? huh? Are you sure?

absolutely.
The reason it is black is because it is laden with carbon. Carbon is unburnt fuel due to lack of oxygen. Ask any deisel mechanic.

[Chris]

I will leave it to our members who are more well versed than me.

[Chris]

Quote by: Wonderblob . The fires were 1000 degrees to cold to cause catastrophic failure of the steel. It was also starved for oxygen as was evidenced by all the black smoke. It would have boiled water but it would not have melted steel. The fire proofing is there to prevent the steel from absorbing and transferring the heat between floors not to keep it from melting. The fires are no explanation for the failure of the vertical structure below. It had to be a very precise controlled demolition. Kerosene burns very slowly and at relatively cool temperatures at atmospheric pressure.

according to the maddox page and he has provided references, Steel loses 50% of its strength at 648° C Jet fuel burns at 825° C

[ibm]

ph, liked the article you referred in post #14. thanks.

(but who the heck is benjamin netanyahu? his last name sounds japanese and his given name sounds british. was, or is he a leader of our country?:confused: )

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: ibm ph, liked the article you referred in post #14. thanks. (but who the heck is benjamin netanyahu? his last name sounds japanese and his given name sounds british. was, or is he a leader of our country?:confused: )

Former Israeli Prime Minister. Excellent, American-accented English and a heart of stone. Likely to take Olmert's place next election...

[ibm]

p.s. - chris (or anyone else), if you're curious and serious enough on this 9/11 topic, joining the private group discussion on this very forum may be a good start. after a while, you'd be easily able to tell which sources appear credible and which ones do not. btw, does the site of that maddox guy really look like anything close to a decent one?

[ibm]

Quote by: PatrickHenry Former Israeli Prime Minister. Excellent, American-accented English and a heart of stone. Likely to take Olmert's place next election...

ph, thanks for the info. i thought he might be some sort of japanese-british mix.






no, i knew and was j/k. you sometimes amuse me a bit, ph. but thanks for the info anyway.

[PatrickHenry]

Maddox, heh. His motto:

This page is about me and why everything I like is great. If you disagree with anything you find on this page, you are wrong.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: Chris according to the maddox page and he has provided references, Steel loses 50% of its strength at 648° C Jet fuel burns at 825° C

And how long does the heat transfer take?

[Wonderblob]

e x c e r p t
title: The Twin Towers' Demolition
authors: Jim Hoffman


The Killer Fires Theory is Pure Fantasy
The simple facts of temperatures:

1535ºC (2795ºF) - melting point of iron
~1510ºC (2750ºF) - melting point of typical structural steel
~825ºC (1517ºF) - maximum temperature of hydrocarbon fires burning in the atmosphere without pressurization or pre-heating (premixed fuel and air - blue flame)
Diffuse flames burn far cooler.
Oxygen-starved diffuse flames are cooler yet.

The fires in the towers were diffuse -- well below 800ºC.
Their dark smoke showed they were oxygen-starved -- particularly in the South Tower.


This is just one example that agrees with my assertion. None of the online encyclopedias that I researched suggest that steel will even begin to get soft at the combustion temperatures of jet fuel.