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underbear1 · Jul 30, 2006, 02:37 am

For twenty years we knew Mel Gibson was a vile homophobe, there was even an Advocate magazine cover which ridiculed him. Now it turns out he's as nasty an anti-semite as his whacko father, and sexist too. So much for your G*D DAMN holier-than-thou phoney speel. Your DUI and scandal couldn't happen to anyone more deserving!

Mia · Jul 30, 2006, 02:42 am

I think he's hot.

underbear1 · Jul 30, 2006, 02:57 am

I think he's an ignorant, and saggy old meat puppet.

PatrickHenry · Jul 30, 2006, 04:14 am

Get a grip, underbear.

tinybear · Jul 30, 2006, 05:23 am

What did he say/do?

Mia · Jul 30, 2006, 07:36 am

Dui.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...if_dui_arrest/

And made some nasty remarks:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...283327,00.html

bishop · Jul 30, 2006, 10:56 am

not atypical behavior for a celebrity..

**Jack** · Jul 30, 2006, 11:04 am

For which he's apologized (though only he knows if he meant the apology or not). Alcohol makes many people say and do things they might not have with a clear head. So he's human. I find it hard to condemn a person for that. Is he a hypocrite? Perhaps. But I've never had much interest in his religious beliefs anyway, and I've not seen Passion nor do I intend to ( I really liked Mad Max, though).

Scribbler1 · Jul 30, 2006, 11:04 am

But pretty atypical for someone who professes to be such a devout Christian. Nice guy.

**Jack** · Jul 30, 2006, 11:15 am

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But pretty atypical for someone who professes to be such a devout Christian

Hmmm. Not especially atypical. I've seen many devout religious buckle under pressure, stress or chemical influence and expose their inner humanity.
Their own fellow believers are harsher on them, and slower to forgive them for not having maintained their own high standards than am I. My only standard is being human. Even a drunken, bigoted jerk is just being human. Can you tell I don't expect a hell of a lot from humans? :)

Chaossaber314 · Jul 30, 2006, 11:25 am

Some of the posters in this thread are pretty atypical of people who have only met one or a few christians and generalized the entire group.

A good number of my devout christian friends can throw down beers with the best of em.

bishop · Jul 30, 2006, 01:03 pm

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But pretty atypical for someone who professes to be such a devout Christian

i dunno... devout christians are known to be as big a bunch of hypocrites as anyone else.. just look at how the "christian" crowd is the one most foaming at the mouth for more wars (and the coming of the rapture)..

Scribbler1 · Jul 30, 2006, 01:09 pm

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Hmmm. Not especially atypical. I've seen many devout religious buckle under pressure, stress or chemical influence and expose their inner humanity.

I believe if you are a bigot you are a bigot, period. It's not like he BECAME one because he was buzzed. Stress or alcohol/drugs only makes it easier to release what is already there.
I really don't care about Gibson or anyone else in this regard. I just notice that society seems to hold people who push their religion to a somewhat higher standard than everyone else (Do people think the Pope is a regular guy?) and they seem to enjoy having people feel that way. He's an actor. I couldn't care less about him personally.

Mia · Jul 30, 2006, 01:47 pm

Yeah, he must feel that way to have said those things. Unless he was just really pissed. I've said things I didn't mean at all just to hurt the other person (not that I'm proud of that, but it's happened).

bishop · Jul 30, 2006, 01:49 pm

he doesn't make decent movies like he used to anyway...

i love how the writers at southpark trashed gibson.. turned him into a raving masochist.. always asking the kids to whip him and stuff.. heh.

Osborn F Enready · Jul 30, 2006, 02:43 pm

Yet another talker of one thing, doer of another. Thanks for showing your "true colors" Mel.

underbear1 · Jul 30, 2006, 03:10 pm

Gibson never apologised for his anti gay remarks twenty years ago..........see we have memory like an elephant, and we hold a grudge like no one else. Gibson came off like an Opus Dei freakazoid after Passion of the Christ, he ONLY attends Mass in LATIN.

rez · Jul 30, 2006, 03:15 pm

did anybody see the "The passion of the Jew" a Southpark episode? It shows Mel Gibson doing everything that article wrote about him.

Nono · Jul 30, 2006, 03:30 pm

Hey, give the poor fucker a break fercrissakes. He's Australian after all, and as Paul Theroux noted, you'd be hard pressed to find a more all-consuming will to inebriation on the entire planet (short of Finns in winter) than with Australians.

So due account must be taken for his, uh, cultural handicap. :)

Sonart · Jul 31, 2006, 08:21 pm

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Gibson never apologised for his anti gay remarks twenty years ago..........see we have memory like an elephant, and we hold a grudge like no one else. Gibson came off like an Opus Dei freakazoid after Passion of the Christ, he ONLY attends Mass in LATIN.

NPR just covered this, with a little back story. Apparently Gibson's father was a virilent Holocaust denier. When asked back in '04 if he subscribed to his father's views, Gibson denied being anti-semitic, but left it with a cryptic, "My father has never lied to me." Also, in his Passion of the Christ, he removed the 'blood curse' against the Jews as murderers of Christ... as least the english subtitle... leaving the aramaic dialogue in.

For all the, "aw, he was just an actor being drunk, what's the big deal", I find the whole thing a bit disturbing. Would anyone here be chuckling if he'd gone on about the damn 'niggers'?

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Jul 30, 2006, 02:37 am	#1 (permalink) (top)
underbear1 BANNED Posts: 2,630	Mel Gibson drunken BIGOT! For twenty years we knew Mel Gibson was a vile homophobe, there was even an Advocate magazine cover which ridiculed him. Now it turns out he's as nasty an anti-semite as his whacko father, and sexist too. So much for your G*D DAMN holier-than-thou phoney speel. Your DUI and scandal couldn't happen to anyone more deserving!

Jul 30, 2006, 02:42 am	#2 (permalink) (top)
Mia Retired Posts: 7,312	I think he's hot. "...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Jul 30, 2006, 04:14 am	#4 (permalink) (top)
PatrickHenry 9/11: Inside Job Location: Hawai'i, Big Island Posts: 10,437	Get a grip, underbear. "Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams

Jul 30, 2006, 07:36 am	#6 (permalink) (top)
Mia Retired Posts: 7,312	Dui. http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...if_dui_arrest/ And made some nasty remarks: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...283327,00.html "...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Jul 30, 2006, 10:56 am	#7 (permalink) (top)
bishop moderat-e/o-r Location: boston Posts: 11,184	not atypical behavior for a celebrity.. hope for america... http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Jul 30, 2006, 02:57 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
underbear1 BANNED Posts: 2,630	I think he's an ignorant, and saggy old meat puppet.

Jul 30, 2006, 05:23 am	#5 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,008	What did he say/do?

Jul 30, 2006, 11:04 am	#8 (permalink) (top)
Jack formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 13,000	For which he's apologized (though only he knows if he meant the apology or not). Alcohol makes many people say and do things they might not have with a clear head. So he's human. I find it hard to condemn a person for that. Is he a hypocrite? Perhaps. But I've never had much interest in his religious beliefs anyway, and I've not seen Passion nor do I intend to ( I really liked Mad Max, though). The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Heathen Queer Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant)

Jul 30, 2006, 11:04 am	#9 (permalink) (top)
Scribbler1 Skeptical Patriot Posts: 7,746	But pretty atypical for someone who professes to be such a devout Christian. Nice guy. Not a day goes by that I don't see something that reinforces my belief that people are idiots.

Jul 30, 2006, 11:25 am	#11 (permalink) (top)
Chaossaber314 The Cake is a lie... Location: St. Louis Posts: 2,284	Some of the posters in this thread are pretty atypical of people who have only met one or a few christians and generalized the entire group. A good number of my devout christian friends can throw down beers with the best of em. What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?

Jul 30, 2006, 01:47 pm	#14 (permalink) (top)
Mia Retired Posts: 7,312	Yeah, he must feel that way to have said those things. Unless he was just really pissed. I've said things I didn't mean at all just to hurt the other person (not that I'm proud of that, but it's happened). "...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Jul 30, 2006, 01:49 pm	#15 (permalink) (top)
bishop moderat-e/o-r Location: boston Posts: 11,184	he doesn't make decent movies like he used to anyway... i love how the writers at southpark trashed gibson.. turned him into a raving masochist.. always asking the kids to whip him and stuff.. heh. hope for america... http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Jul 30, 2006, 02:43 pm	#16 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873	Yet another talker of one thing, doer of another. Thanks for showing your "true colors" Mel. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready

Jul 30, 2006, 03:10 pm	#17 (permalink) (top)
underbear1 BANNED Posts: 2,630	Gibson never apologised for his anti gay remarks twenty years ago..........see we have memory like an elephant, and we hold a grudge like no one else. Gibson came off like an Opus Dei freakazoid after Passion of the Christ, he ONLY attends Mass in LATIN.

Jul 30, 2006, 03:15 pm	#18 (permalink) (top)
rez technê Posts: 2,459	did anybody see the "The passion of the Jew" a Southpark episode? It shows Mel Gibson doing everything that article wrote about him. I'm the thought that never crossed my mind.

Jul 30, 2006, 03:30 pm	#19 (permalink) (top)
Nono Throbbing Member Location: Old Europe Posts: 6,768	Hey, give the poor fucker a break fercrissakes. He's Australian after all, and as Paul Theroux noted, you'd be hard pressed to find a more all-consuming will to inebriation on the entire planet (short of Finns in winter) than with Australians. So due account must be taken for his, uh, cultural handicap. :) "I wish I was as cocksure of anything as Tom Macaulay is of everything." -- Viscount Melbourne