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G. Adams · Jul 9, 2006, 02:18 pm

Time for elections as I wish to step down as Lefty leader. The contestants are the Beer Master General Matt W and myself.

I make only one pledge as staying on as lefty leader and that is that I will start threads trying to counter left wing ideas, not as devils advocate but as a born again liberal.

There's also an option to abstain if your sulky about these options for leader, but it's your own damn fault for not participating in the previous thread.

leftcider · Jul 11, 2006, 06:36 pm

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I make only one pledge as staying on as lefty leader and that is that I will start threads trying to counter left wing ideas, not as devils advocate but as a born again liberal.

Wow, what sparked your conversion?

G. Adams · Jul 11, 2006, 08:03 pm

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Wow, what sparked your conversion?

Circumstances surrounding me pushed me further away I guess. I've classed myself as an anarcho-communist for some years now, because unlike most socialists and communists I don't trust governments to mow my lawn never mind organise industry. But I thought that people could organise themselves into communes without force of government.

With the War on Freedom being waged these days, I've put human rights, freedoms, ahead of anything else. So I've looked into academic work regarding rights, Popper, Hayek, Berlin, Locke etc and more and more I see the incompatability of keeping freedom alongside any kind of planned economy. The moment we all equally share equally in something, then we have the group, or a body "representing" the group, prioritising it's uses. When we have prioritising, we start to get involved in the imposition of an ethical code, one that is not focused upon the freedom of the individual but the strength of the collective.

Besides, the type of anarcho-communist commune that I was previously imaging is possible under capitalism anyway, so there is no need to undermine property rights, which have been the foundation of other rights as Marx notes himself.

**Matt W** · Jul 12, 2006, 09:52 am

Hmmm....2 abstention votes....it would appear we are still in limbo....

G. Adams · Jul 16, 2006, 06:05 pm

Well it looked like abstain won with a clear majority. P'raps it means we should dissolve this board...

I'll send a message to Sean now telling him to switch leadership to Matt.

View Poll Results: Who should lead the Lefties?
Matt W	1	33.33%
G. Adams	0	0%
Abstain	2	66.67%
Voters: 3. You may not vote

Jul 9, 2006, 02:18 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
G. Adams Fyrdman Location: Middlesbrough UK Posts: 4,174	Election Time Folks Time for elections as I wish to step down as Lefty leader. The contestants are the Beer Master General Matt W and myself. I make only one pledge as staying on as lefty leader and that is that I will start threads trying to counter left wing ideas, not as devils advocate but as a born again liberal. There's also an option to abstain if your sulky about these options for leader, but it's your own damn fault for not participating in the previous thread. Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill

Jul 12, 2006, 09:52 am	#4 (permalink) (top)
Matt W Moderator Location: Reading, UK. Posts: 7,191	Hmmm....2 abstention votes....it would appear we are still in limbo.... I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. -George Best, on being asked what he did with his footballing fortunes.

Jul 16, 2006, 06:05 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
G. Adams Fyrdman Location: Middlesbrough UK Posts: 4,174	Well it looked like abstain won with a clear majority. P'raps it means we should dissolve this board... I'll send a message to Sean now telling him to switch leadership to Matt. Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill