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Skollfang · Jul 6, 2006, 03:13 pm

Hey!

So what idea makes necrophillia and necrophagia wrong?
Technically when we eat meat there's an element of necrophagia... Especially when you bite into a nice bloody, oozing bit of cow. I need some cow now.
There are also people who consent to necrophillia. Is what they want wrong? It's their last request.

Feel free to say you love necrophillia or phagia I won't judge, I'll be most intriegued... And maybe a little curious

Try to avoid reffering to God, this takes the arguement to a different level and if you have to bring him/her/it/them in remember to say ASSUMING God exists!!!!

5010 · Jul 6, 2006, 06:22 pm

What happens to one's body after death doesn't matter to the dead. It matters to the living. It is wrong when the survivors find it disrespectful.

I've seen a "Ripley's Believe it or Not" video showing people drinking something made from crushed bones of a deceased relative in honor of them. I wouldn't be surprised if it were truly accepted in some cultures.

In other words: "void where prohibited"

Zhavric · Jul 7, 2006, 08:22 am

Yeah... because interacting with a cold dead decaying stinking carcass full of flesh-eating bacteria is my idea of a great time.

Please explain to all of us how a deceased individual is a consenting adult.

Qanda · Jul 7, 2006, 09:27 am

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Please explain to all of us how a deceased individual is a consenting adult.

A corpse no longer has life, and is just an inanimate object like any other. There is no need for consent.

tinybear · Jul 7, 2006, 09:45 am

Look, let's face it folks, these necro...whatevers are banned because they gross people out and are considered repugnant, OK? That means the law bans offensive stuff.

**Matt W** · Jul 7, 2006, 12:39 pm

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A corpse no longer has life, and is just an inanimate object like any other. There is no need for consent.

If there is a need for consent for my organs to be used posthumously to be donated to medicine, then damn straight there's a need for consent for my body to be abused sexually by some sicko...

tinybear · Jul 7, 2006, 12:41 pm

What if you signed a consent form before death. Does that make it OK?

Zhavric · Jul 7, 2006, 12:46 pm

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A corpse no longer has life, and is just an inanimate object like any other. There is no need for consent.

O RLY?

While I agree that a corpse is an inanimate object (no soul, etc.), it does have rights similar to that of a person. Legally, you can think of a corpse as a brain-dead living individual. Either a family member or the state will make decisions on its behalf.

Also, where would an individual lawfully obtain a corpse?

Just after death? Illegal: tampering with a body.

After it's been given over to the police? Illegal: can't mess with bodies in the morgue.

After it's been autopsied and given back to the family? Need the family's consent and there are laws governing what happens to bodies. You can't legally bury uncle Fred in your front yard.

Digging one up? First, YUCK. Second, graverobbing has a long history of illegality in human society.

I don't believe for a moment that there are actual "necropheliacs" on the planet.

tinybear · Jul 7, 2006, 12:49 pm

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I don't believe for a moment that there are actual "necropheliacs" on the planet.

Think again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necrophilia

Plasma Snake[D] · Jul 7, 2006, 12:54 pm

I wonder why an individual would find pleasure in eiher eating or making "love" to a corpse, especially a human one. Perhaps they find that live ones tend to be too "threatening". Or too emotionally complex to interact with. Maybe this is why pedophiles go after little kids, because they are defenseless.

tinybear · Jul 7, 2006, 12:55 pm

Rosman and Resnick[4] (1989) theorized that either of the following situations could be antecedents to necrophilia (pp. 161):

1. The necrophile develops poor self-esteem, perhaps due in part to a significant loss;

(a) He (usually male) is very fearful of rejection by women and he desires a sexual object who is incapable of rejecting him; and/or
(b) He is fearful of the dead, and transforms his fear of the dead—by means of reaction formation—into a desire for the dead.

2. He develops an exciting fantasy of sex with a corpse, sometimes after exposure to a corpse.

The authors also reported that, of their sample of 'necrophiliacs,' 68% were motivated by a desire for an unresisting and unrejecting partner; 21% by a want for reunion with a lost partner; 15% by sexual attraction to corpses; 15% by a desire for comfort or to overcome feelings of isolation; and 12% by a desire to remedy low self-esteem by expressing power over a corpse (pp. 159). (It could be surmised that only the 15% motivated by an attraction to corpses were true necrophiliacs.)

Skollfang · Jul 7, 2006, 01:35 pm

Riiiight....

But if we were in a socioty that said necro everything was alright and we were brought up in that socioty wouldn't our outlook bedifferent and we would be saying yes to necro fantasies? (Scary thought of the week

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underbear1 · Jul 7, 2006, 01:38 pm

Normally I'd oppose all necrophillia, but since Ken Lay missed his prison "experience", I wouldn't mind if they layed him out with some convicts charged with necrophillia, for a year or two.

underbear1 · Jul 7, 2006, 01:40 pm

We could legalize necrophillia with an amendment to the US Constitution, with the provision you must choose a corpse of the opposite sex.

The Bacon Guy · Jul 7, 2006, 02:15 pm

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Also, where would an individual lawfully obtain a corpse?

If an individual does illegally obtain a corpse and has sex with it, most would agree that they should be charged with graverobbing, tampering with evidence etc. However, the question is whether the act of necrophilia itself should be illegal.

As for necrophilia in general, I don't really have a problem with it, since a corpse is just matter. However, people are weird when it comes to death so it's not really surprising that it's such a taboo. The only legal issue I could think of is that a corpse is technically the property of the deceased's family so a necrophiliac really has no right to have his way with it.

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What if you signed a consent form before death. Does that make it OK?

Well, since registering as an organ donor means you can be carved up for organs even if it is against your family's wishes, I don't see why it should be any different with necrophilia/phagia.

tinybear · Jul 7, 2006, 02:19 pm

Well, necrophilia is illegal. Period. It is NOT a consent or no consent issue.

underbear1 · Jul 7, 2006, 06:25 pm

Necrophilla is the best reason I can think of to have my remains cremated, I'll be damned if someone I wouldn't sleep with while I'm alive, just waits til I'm dead to get freaky :eek:

tinybear · Jul 7, 2006, 11:13 pm

When you're dead, you won't care, would you?

greeneyedgirl · Jul 7, 2006, 11:31 pm

I think in every culture necrophilia is considered a taboo and is frowned down upon.

Eating the dead is a whole other story. Some tribal people think that eating certain body parts of warriors will make them stronger.

tinybear · Jul 8, 2006, 12:13 am

Last year, I started a thread on cannibalism. I don't think it was well received. :)

Folks here are very sensitive.

Jul 6, 2006, 03:13 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
Skollfang Eat My Wrath! Location: Scotland Posts: 19	Necrophillia, Necrophagia, Necroeverything! Hey! So what idea makes necrophillia and necrophagia wrong? Technically when we eat meat there's an element of necrophagia... Especially when you bite into a nice bloody, oozing bit of cow. I need some cow now. There are also people who consent to necrophillia. Is what they want wrong? It's their last request. Feel free to say you love necrophillia or phagia I won't judge, I'll be most intriegued... And maybe a little curious Try to avoid reffering to God, this takes the arguement to a different level and if you have to bring him/her/it/them in remember to say ASSUMING God exists!!!! [CENTER]I will lead the charge! My sword into the wind! Sons of Odin fight to die and live again![/CENTER] "WHAT I DO IN THE GRAVEYARD IS MY OWN BUSINESS!" :rolleyes:

Jul 6, 2006, 06:22 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
5010 mostly harmless Location: USA Posts: 1,284	What happens to one's body after death doesn't matter to the dead. It matters to the living. It is wrong when the survivors find it disrespectful. I've seen a "Ripley's Believe it or Not" video showing people drinking something made from crushed bones of a deceased relative in honor of them. I wouldn't be surprised if it were truly accepted in some cultures. In other words: "void where prohibited" - solo (my site)

Jul 7, 2006, 08:22 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
Zhavric Made of pure win. Posts: 3,705	Yeah... because interacting with a cold dead decaying stinking carcass full of flesh-eating bacteria is my idea of a great time. Please explain to all of us how a deceased individual is a consenting adult. Theists: supplying volconvo with lose since 2004.

Jul 7, 2006, 12:54 pm	#10 (permalink) (top)
Plasma Snake[D] Cause for Concern Location: Planet Earth Posts: 664	I wonder why an individual would find pleasure in eiher eating or making "love" to a corpse, especially a human one. Perhaps they find that live ones tend to be too "threatening". Or too emotionally complex to interact with. Maybe this is why pedophiles go after little kids, because they are defenseless. Isa14:21Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers. Deu24:16The fathers shall not be put to death for the children,neither shall the kids be put to death for the fathers.

Jul 7, 2006, 01:35 pm	#12 (permalink) (top)
Skollfang Eat My Wrath! Location: Scotland Posts: 19	Riiiight.... But if we were in a socioty that said necro everything was alright and we were brought up in that socioty wouldn't our outlook bedifferent and we would be saying yes to necro fantasies? (Scary thought of the week ) [CENTER]I will lead the charge! My sword into the wind! Sons of Odin fight to die and live again![/CENTER] "WHAT I DO IN THE GRAVEYARD IS MY OWN BUSINESS!" :rolleyes:

Jul 7, 2006, 09:45 am	#5 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,106	Look, let's face it folks, these necro...whatevers are banned because they gross people out and are considered repugnant, OK? That means the law bans offensive stuff.

Jul 7, 2006, 12:41 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,106	What if you signed a consent form before death. Does that make it OK?

Jul 7, 2006, 12:55 pm	#11 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,106	Rosman and Resnick[4] (1989) theorized that either of the following situations could be antecedents to necrophilia (pp. 161): 1. The necrophile develops poor self-esteem, perhaps due in part to a significant loss; (a) He (usually male) is very fearful of rejection by women and he desires a sexual object who is incapable of rejecting him; and/or (b) He is fearful of the dead, and transforms his fear of the dead—by means of reaction formation—into a desire for the dead. 2. He develops an exciting fantasy of sex with a corpse, sometimes after exposure to a corpse. The authors also reported that, of their sample of 'necrophiliacs,' 68% were motivated by a desire for an unresisting and unrejecting partner; 21% by a want for reunion with a lost partner; 15% by sexual attraction to corpses; 15% by a desire for comfort or to overcome feelings of isolation; and 12% by a desire to remedy low self-esteem by expressing power over a corpse (pp. 159). (It could be surmised that only the 15% motivated by an attraction to corpses were true necrophiliacs.)

Jul 7, 2006, 01:38 pm	#13 (permalink) (top)
underbear1 BANNED Posts: 2,630	Normally I'd oppose all necrophillia, but since Ken Lay missed his prison "experience", I wouldn't mind if they layed him out with some convicts charged with necrophillia, for a year or two.

Jul 7, 2006, 01:40 pm	#14 (permalink) (top)
underbear1 BANNED Posts: 2,630	We could legalize necrophillia with an amendment to the US Constitution, with the provision you must choose a corpse of the opposite sex.

Jul 7, 2006, 02:19 pm	#16 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,106	Well, necrophilia is illegal. Period. It is NOT a consent or no consent issue.

Jul 7, 2006, 06:25 pm	#17 (permalink) (top)
underbear1 BANNED Posts: 2,630	Necrophilla is the best reason I can think of to have my remains cremated, I'll be damned if someone I wouldn't sleep with while I'm alive, just waits til I'm dead to get freaky :eek:

Jul 7, 2006, 11:13 pm	#18 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,106	When you're dead, you won't care, would you?

Jul 7, 2006, 11:31 pm	#19 (permalink) (top)
greeneyedgirl Molten Ash Location: NYC Posts: 106	I think in every culture necrophilia is considered a taboo and is frowned down upon. Eating the dead is a whole other story. Some tribal people think that eating certain body parts of warriors will make them stronger. "How happy is the blameless vestal's lot! The world forgetting, by the world forgot. Eternal sunshine of the spotless mind! Each pray'r accepted, and each wish resign'd." -- Alexander Pope

Jul 8, 2006, 12:13 am	#20 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,106	Last year, I started a thread on cannibalism. I don't think it was well received. :) Folks here are very sensitive.